Dr. John Jaquish and I talked all about weightlifting, resistance training and
everything in between on today’s podcast. We talk about what makes his
different from other resistance bands, why weightlifting may be
bad for you, and so much more. Definitely an interesting perspective and a great
conversation, enjoy! Full Transcript #
Robert: Well hello, ladies and gentlemen. Robert Sykes, [keto savage 00:00:02].
I hope you’re having a wonderful day. Today, I have a special guest, Dr. Jaquish
on the line. He is the man behind the
that you may have seen
in certain conferences or online, on social. It’s basically this cool little
resistant band-bar set up, with an Olympic bar grip, and a floor plate. I’ve
been super curious to try, I have not tried them before, but I’m going to after
this conversation. This guy is an interesting character. He’s got some
controversial thoughts, he’s going to say some things that probably are going to
rub some people the wrong way, especially if those people are coming from a
traditional training, body building background. However, I can consider myself
pretty open minded, and I feel like getting the benefit of doubt, and I’ll try
his product to see what I think.
Robert: That said, see what you think for your own self, see what you like what
he’s saying, give the bar a try. Without further ado, sit back, relax and enjoy
the conversation with Dr. Jaquish.
Robert: We’re live. John, how are you man?
Dr.John Jaquish: Fantastic. How are you?
Robert: I’m doing wonderfully well sir. Wonderfully well. I’m excited to get you
on today, because I’ve met you before in passing, at a conference. I’ve used
, and I’d love to just get some back story as to what
brought that invention to the market? How did that even come to be, and what got
you into fitness in the first place? And then kind of dive down the rabbit hole
Dr.John Jaquish: Yeah, sure. Thanks Robert for having me, this is great.
Dr.John Jaquish: Yeah. So, what got me into… Well, the funny thing is I don’t
see myself as part of the fitness industry. I don’t really see an industry at
all. It’s just a bunch of trash products that don’t work, false claims and
nonsense. Total lack of understanding the science. Even like the fact that
cardio is still prescribed for weight loss, there’s been 40 years of research
that says that’s probably one of the worst things you can do, yet, people still
keep doing it because I guess gyms, they think people want treadmills, so they
Robert: Ain’t no telling me.
Dr.John Jaquish: Yeah. It’s just, they’ll buy what they think people want, even
if the people are wrong, it doesn’t matter. They don’t see their job as
educating anybody, it’s just they sell memberships, that’s what they do. And
beyond that, you don’t even need to show up, they can care less. In fact, they’d
rather you don’t show up because then they can sell more memberships.
Robert: It doesn’t ware on the equipment then, if you don’t show up either.
Dr.John Jaquish: Yeah, that’s right. So, I’m from the medical device industry,
and I developed a medical device to treat bone loss. What I discovered in the
development, in clinical trials of that medical device, was that human beings
are a lot more powerful in specific ranges of motion than in other ranges of
Dr.John Jaquish: So, if you get in the position where you normally absorb high
impact force or higher impact force, like you go to trip and fall and you put
your hand up in front of you, the back of your hands in line with the clavicle,
there’s 120 degree angle between upper and lower arm. There, you can absorb or
produce the greatest amount of force. Seven times greater than what you would
lift. And there’s always been a difference noticed between eccentric and
concentric, sort of like you can lower more weight than you can raise. You know,
living creatures are like that. But that’s kind of irrelevant compared to what
we can do with different ranges of motion, because that number is a seven fold
Dr.John Jaquish: And so once I understood that, I thought, wow, weight lifting
is a terrible stimulus for growing muscle, because you have seven times the
capability, but you’re going to pick whatever weight you can handle in the
weakest range of motion, which by definition, is really only training you in
that weakest range of motion, where also coincidentally, you’re receiving the
most joint damage. And I want to quote Peter [Rottier 00:04:28] here, a
brilliant guy. “Weight lifting overloads joints and underloads muscle.” And I
solved that problem. That’s where the
really came from, because I
was the first guy to really document what the difference was. I had that
information and I knew that, that information showed something very different
than other fitness type studies had done. In fact, if you look at most sports
performance studies, it’s like one type of bench pressing versus another type of
bench pressing. It’s like no one has really ever challenged the concept of
weight lifting all together, like moving a static weight across space. Who said
that was right? That’s just been gospel for a long time, and should never have
Dr.John Jaquish: I wrote the book,
Weightlifting is a Waste of Time
which is number one best seller in a whole bunch of different categories. It’s
the Wall Street Journal best seller, has 1000 reviews on Amazon. Everybody
should check that out. So I documented the hell out of the science. The reason
we met at a conference was because once I launched this product and I realized
that the absolute ultimate muscular stimulus device, which was super cheap and
would fit in a backpack. If someone could get me access to the Olympic Training
Center for free, and I’d say, I’ll never go, because everything there is garbage
next to what I have. Again, I can put it in a backpack, or even in the drawer at
Dr.John Jaquish: But I realized I needed to get, encourage people to have the
most optimized nutrition, otherwise, you wouldn’t get results out of it. That’s
why I like the keto community, because these are the people who are on the right
track. If you think you need carbohydrates… I can disprove that carbohydrates
are even a micronutrient at all, and I lay it out in just stark detail in the
Robert: Oh man, you’ve got to shade some light on that. How so?
Dr.John Jaquish: Say it again.
Robert: You’ve got to shade some light on that, you got me curious now.
Dr.John Jaquish: Yeah. The amount of carbohydrates needed to survive and have
every organ function perfectly is zero. There’s absolutely no need for any
carbohydrates whatsoever. Micronutrients, I did an Instagram post late last
night where I explained how if you already eat whole foods, not concentrated nut
butters or whatever. Just fruits, vegetables, meats, whatever, how many calories
would you need to get the recommended daily allowances described by the American
Medical Association? Take a guess.
Robert: They’re predicting, what was like 2K or some of that calories, for most
Dr.John Jaquish: No, the ANA tells to eat 2000 calories a day and never more,
but if you were to eat whole foods to your vitamins, you need to take in 27000
calories a day. Now, obviously no one ever did that. A rhinoceros doesn’t even
Robert: Yeah, that’s quite a lot.
Dr.John Jaquish: That tells you that, first of all, the recommended daily
allowances of vitamins were collected by expert opinion in the 1950s. So, not
even a study. They just took a poll from doctors, and they just pulled a number
out of the air. Now that you know you need 27000 calories, unless you have
processed products, which we all know we should avoid for other reasons, well
then the recommended vitamin intakes are a joke. Don’t pay attention to them.
Robert: Yeah. I don’t typically spend much time looking at that part of the
label. I focus more on how I feel and perform overall, and it’s definitely not
consuming 27000 calories.
Dr.John Jaquish: You’re right. Yeah, the whole recommendation is just a joke.
Robert: So, I want to back up a little further, man. Were you using traditional
training methods before you developed this? Would you go into a gym and then
just train using traditional barbells, dumbbells and just [crosstalk 00:09:06].
Dr.John Jaquish: Yeah, that’s [crosstalk 00:09:06]. For 20 years, I’ve probably
put on five pounds of muscle, and maybe 25 pounds of body fat.
Robert: And what got you to start looking for, was it just your introduction to
medical device sales that got you looking for a better alternative? Or were you
playing around with things in your garage or something? Or what was the catalyst
Dr.John Jaquish: I didn’t do sales, I invented the medical device.
Robert: Got you, got you.
Dr.John Jaquish: Yeah. It’s called [OsteoStrong 00:09:36]. I have all the
patents on that. I invented it to treat my mother’s osteoporosis, and then I
went and invented
for really kind of sports performance
muscularity target market.
Robert: How did the bone strengthening, what was the mechanics behind that?
Dr.John Jaquish: It’s emulating high impact. When I look at who has the most
powerful bone, it’s gymnasts, because of the rate at which they hit the ground.
They sometimes get 10 times their body weight, where a weight lifter, most
weight lifters can’t even do two times their body weight. Maybe on a leg press,
but we all know that 45% is going into the ground and not on their body. I love
these guys who stack 1000 pounds on a leg press, and they think they’re actually
moving that. It’s like, when I push my car, my car weighs 3300 pounds, that
doesn’t mean I can bench press 3300 pounds.
Dr.John Jaquish: People who say things like that are just beyond stupid, so, no
point in paying attention. If you want to say fitness industry, it’s kind of the
sad way that clowns post videos like that and think they’re strong.
Robert: What is the mechanism of the device, if it impacts or if it’s dictated
by bone stress, impact stress.
Dr.John Jaquish: Bone stress based on axio compression. So the axis of a bone,
the length. You press on a bone from one end to the other, and you distort the
shape and length of the bone for a very brief period of time, around five
seconds. Actually it doesn’t feel like a brief period of time because you’re
putting incredible forces to the body. And then once the compression is
released, the bone springs back into its natural position, but the bone matrix
has been stimulated so that it starts to uptake minerals and build more
structure. Where there are walls, you know the cross-section of a bone looks
like a honey comb, and it becomes a more intricate honey comb, the more of this
axio compression that is put through the bone.
Robert: Got you, got you. So it’s basically like a compressive device that you
can just position over whatever bone it is that you’re trying to strengthen at
Dr.John Jaquish: Mm-hmm (affirmative), yep.
Robert: Got you, got you. What about the
, what was the aha
moment with that, that led you down that path?
Dr.John Jaquish: That was when I had the medical device developed, and I looked
at deconditioned people putting thousands of pounds through the body. They
weren’t deconditioned after they got to the point they could put thousands of
pounds. But these are people who’ve never engaged in any type of fitness. Post
menopausal population, and some of them are putting 1000 pounds through their
Dr.John Jaquish: So I look at that and I think, okay, impact ranges of motion,
we can handle so much more. And I had the proof of that, and I realized I’m the
only guy in the world that has this information. I’ve got to capitalize on this.
And so, I started filing patents around just a really simple elegant design.
It’s a bar, it’s a second ground you stand on, the ground plate, so you don’t
twist your wrists or ankles. Because if you try and do, like when people say,
“You’re still working out with bands?” I’m like, “I don’t know what the hell
you’re talking about because a band by itself, that is of
would break your wrists and ankles. Or you just won’t be able to complete a
movement.” When I do a dead lift, it’s over 600 pounds. So these bands are not
the important part. It’s the equipment. It’s the Olympic bar that’s for rotation
in it, and it’s the second ground you stand on that allows the banding to move
on its own without putting torsion into the smaller joints of the body.
Robert: Got you. How would you compare traditional dumbbells, barbells, cables,
things of that nature, to traditional resistance bands, in the sense of the
word, just the bands by themselves, not counting your Olympic bar and your
ground plate. If you were just to compare those two, what would you say is the
Dr.John Jaquish: You mean working out with just bands?
Robert: Yeah, just bands versus just traditional movement?
Dr.John Jaquish: You can’t get a workout with… Because the problem is when you
try and workout with bands, you’re either going so light, you’re not stimulating
any growth, because there’s no getting away from heavy. You have to put
incredibly heavy loads through the body. My chest press is 540 pounds, and I
might hit that 25 repetitions. It’s that weight at the top of the movement, in
the impact ready range, in the mid point, it might be 300, and at the bottom
it’s only 100. And so, I will fatigue based on diminishing the range.
Dr.John Jaquish: First, I do however many full repetitions I can do, until I
can’t do that anymore, and I cannot tolerate the high force at the peak. Then I
do half repetitions. Then I do one-third repetitions, until I’m completely
Robert: Just kind of like drop sets in the sense of doing the negative movement
in a drop set, kind of with partial rep ranges?
Dr.John Jaquish: Yeah. The problem with a drop set is you rest in between, and
you let the [glycogen 00:15:26] begin to reset itself. So you never really have
sarcoplasmic growth. And then you also don’t have hypoxia either. Two thirds of
your growth potential, when you’re doing a drop set, you just throw away. I do
tell that in the book too.
Robert: Have you had a hard time bridging the gap between people that are
looking for, in the next innovation, when it comes to training, and just stuck
on traditional mindset. Do they look at your
and not give it
the time of day? Or how’s that been?
Dr.John Jaquish: It really depends on the people. If they’re part of the weight
lifting community, they tend to think they have all the answers. I’ve talked to
guys who I looked at five years of their pictures, and I see absolutely no
difference in their psychic at all. No difference in the lifts at all, yet, for
five years, they’ll continue the same thing, expecting something different to
happen all of a sudden. And I won’t be mean enough to point that out. I won’t be
like, “Hey, my girlfriend warms up with your max.” I won’t say something like
that. But I just point out, “What results have you seen?” And they don’t really
know where to go with that, because I think they’re thinking, what I’m pointing
Dr.John Jaquish: But I want to be polite to all these people. I’m not going to
get anywhere by beating up on anyone, but it’s a controversial message, and…
Dr. Baker, I’m sure. You probably had Dr. Baker on your show, right?
Dr.John Jaquish: He really like the name of the book. He likes,
Weightlifting is a Waste of Time
. Because he said, “You could have
called it like, The Variable Resistance Method, or something like that, and you
would have sold a couple of hundred, mostly to your existing fans, and it
wouldn’t have been the best seller or anything like that. But when you say
Weightlifting is a Waste of Time
,” and keep in mind, this guy is a
world record weight lifter, and he’s a user of X3
. So he gets it.
And he even endorsed the book. You can look on the Amazon, one of the
endorsements is from him.
Dr.John Jaquish: He says, “I called it a carnivore diet. I could have called it
a zero carb diet, but I wanted it to be more aggressive, I wanted to get more
attention.” And so, that’s part of what I’m doing. Now notice, I didn’t say
resistance training is a waste of time, because I certainly do that. But I just
do it in a much more intelligent way, so that I stimulate outrageously more
growth. And I also point out in the book, a number of different studies that
look at what the differences of the general gym going population is. Fitness is
the most failed human endeavor. Most people see no results at all. I think 17%
of people who lift weights, see absolutely no muscle protein synthesis, ever.
Robert: Yeah, just because the lack of proper form, lack of intensity.
Dr.John Jaquish: Or maybe, disadvantageous tendon layout. You can’t do much
about that. Well you can, because
completely takes that out of
the equation. But some people have a tendon insertion like in their pectoral,
that’s at the top of their humerus bone, and they won’t make much progress
lifting weights. They will with X3
, but not lifting weights. And
this is most people have that kind of attachment where they’ll have very little
Dr.John Jaquish: Or, somebody like Mike Tyson, who has a tendon insertion point
at the base of the humerus, I shouldn’t say the base, the end, like closer to
the elbow. That is someone who can build strength in their pectorals very
easily. Which is why Mike Tyson can be three, four inches from someones face,
and hit them with almost full power. That’s his strategy. He ducks inside the
box, where his opponent can’t hit him, but Mike can do almost 100% damage in
that range. And this is the biggest genetic difference.
Dr.John Jaquish: You know how many people have been disqualified from sports
because they have abnormally high testosterone?
Robert: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Dr.John Jaquish: You do know, or you don’t?
Robert: Yeah, I compete in natural body building. So there’s a lot of talk of
testosterone, what’s natural levels, what’s abnormal levels.
Dr.John Jaquish: There’s only one athlete in the world, ever, that has been
disqualified for having such a high natural level.
Robert: Who’s that?
Dr.John Jaquish: Someone from Africa. She had like 1200 nanograms to the
deciliter, and she’s female. There was no drugs involved. They actually measured
her blood levels for a consistent period of time. It’s not fair to let you to
Dr.John Jaquish: When you hear these internet commenter clowns say like, “Well,
genetics.” It’s like, “What do you mean, genetics? You sure you know what you’re
talking about? What about genetics? Is it hormones?” I hardly ever heard anybody
say tendon attachment points. But that’s the real genetic difference, and it’s
well documented, and I lay it out in the book really clearly. But people don’t
know this, mostly because there’s nothing you can, until now, there was nothing
they could do about it. So, why talk about it?
Robert: Just to kind of play devil’s advocate. There’s been several successful
athletes that have seen amazing progress using traditional methods. Is that all
due to just their tendon attachment points?
Dr.John Jaquish: Primarily, yeah.
Robert: And you’re probably going to have a hard time-
Dr.John Jaquish: Maybe some other things going on. They may have lower myosin
production, they may have… My point is, they don’t have big hormonal
variances. So there’s a lot of people think, well they got probably [inaudible
00:21:39] testosterone. That’s not a thing. It’s really not a big difference.
You can have deficiency, but most athletes are around 1000 nanograms to the
Robert: What does your training look like currently? You haven’t used the
dumbbell or barbell in several years now. Correct?
Dr.John Jaquish: No, I would have never used dumbbells because when you use your
upper body, think about it logically like, here’s a question. The strongest
athletes in the world, what do they train with, dumbbells or barbells?
Robert: Power lifting using the barbells.
Dr.John Jaquish: Right. And they don’t use dumbbells because dumbbells, they’re
very bad at stimulating growth. Your central nervous system, if you go to pick
something heavy up, you’re going to use both hands. Otherwise, it’s just not
what the human body does.
Dr.John Jaquish: Now, the lower body is different, you’re actually better off
stimulating one leg at a time, because unless you’re a kangaroo, you walk or run
on one leg at a time. We don’t hop around. One leg at a time, is what we do. But
in the upper body, we use two hands, when we have to deal with anything heavy.
So, that’s why the people who train with barbells are far stronger than people
who train with the dumbbells. So, I would never touch a dumbbell. Maybe just to
crack the door open.
Robert: What about, is there a differentiation between strength, obviously being
one goal, versus just a primary focus being [inaudible 00:23:19]. The classic
power lifting, versus body building debate. Is there one better than the other
in that department, from a how you train strategy? Is it more efficient to build
muscle with a dumbbell, more of a unilateral movement?
Dr.John Jaquish: No, dumbbells just activate far less muscle. So, you’re getting
far less growth, far less activation, far less of an exercise. Again, I tell
other people, “Oh yeah, kettlebells are really where it’s at.” And I’m like,
“Well, really? Are you sure, because why don’t strong people follow with those?”
They might not know how to explain it scientifically like I do, but that’s what
the body does. You would use both hands. The research shows there’s 20% less
activation of the entire muscle.
Robert: Talk to me about your
then, from a power lifting,
body building standpoint. Would somebody be able to have the muscle tines, the
hypertrophy, the strength, if they train exclusively with that?
Dr.John Jaquish: Yeah. And that’s what we see with about 20 NFL players, 40 NBA
players, and I have a whole athlete wall on the website. There’s maybe 50
altogether, professional athletes using the product, which is huge because most
home products get one or two people they pay. I don’t pay a single athlete. I
give them my free advice, that’s it. They’re allowed to call me. They actually
have my direct line. That’s the exchange. I say, “Let me put your picture on my
website, and you can have access to me.” And I help them, and all of them tell
me they’re stronger than they’ve ever been.
Dr.John Jaquish: Most NFL players never get stronger after they sign their
contract, because when they sign that NFL contract, they’re told they’re never
allowed to get injured. And if they get injured training, it’s their fault. They
have to know their limits. Most of them don’t even train to fatigue. They
certainly wouldn’t do something stupid like a one rep maximum, which by the way,
nobody should be doing. But they just stop training heavy, completely. And so,
gives them an opportunity to train heavier than they’ve ever
trained, with more repetitions, with more growth stimulus. And they get the
opportunity to grow the thickness of tendons and ligaments, which is not seen
very readily with regular weight training.
Dr.John Jaquish: So, their joints feel better, stronger, they go a lot leaner
because of the stabilization effect. There’s a meta analysis that my co-author
and I, Henry Alkire wrote in 2016. And what that shows, is that stabilization
firing, plus load, can move your growth hormone past 2600% above baseline.
Dr.John Jaquish: When you do that, now growth hormone is not anabolic, it’s
anti-catabolic, and it will speed up lipolysis. So people start getting leaner
and preserve their strength, and of course, grow, because the heaviness
activates more, because you’re training a lot heavier, it activates more
testosterone receptors. So the testosterone they have in their body, naturally
in their body, is used in the musculature, more so than any other type of
athlete who’s training with regular weights. So they’re stronger, they’re
leaner, they’re faster, their joints feel better, and they don’t go back.
Robert: Break down like your training split, just a really good optimized
training split using exclusively the
. Because one of the big
selling points is it’s just a big time saver, so you’re not spending an hour and
a half in there with the bar, you have very short efficient workouts. Are you
doing multiple body parts in a given workout? Or how is that structured
Dr.John Jaquish: We do a push-pull split. We do it every other day. It’s a six
days a week training, but it takes about 10 minutes. I didn’t even design it to
save time. So, when somebody says, “Oh, my favorite part is, my workout is done
in 10 minutes.” It’s like, yeah, it’s true. It’s also the hardest workout of
your life. I never tell anybody it’s easy. You feel like you were hit by a train
after you finish one of these. It’s actually, it’s just over very quickly. It’s
four sets each workout.
Robert: Four sets. And just kind of explain that. Talk about the shorter range
of motion as you fatigue. For instance let’s say, you can do squats, dead lifts,
curls, press, you can pretty much do all the movements with this set up, right?
Dr.John Jaquish: Yeah. Everything.
Robert: What does [crosstalk 00:28:45] dead lifts, for instance. How would you
Dr.John Jaquish: So, with the push-pull split, dead lifts would be on a pulling
gig, dead lifts. You do calf raises on that day, because you get a lot of calfs
with the dead lifts, so we won’t put those together and then we do a bent roll
and a curl.
Robert: And each is getting four sets, each movement?
Dr.John Jaquish: Say it again.
Robert: Each movement is getting four sets?
Dr.John Jaquish: No, each movement gets one set. Never do more than one set.
Robert: Got you, got you.
Dr.John Jaquish: [inaudible 00:29:18], because there’s such a deeper level of
Robert: And with those sets, that’s when you’re doing, you’re basically going to
fatigue at the full range, then you do the mid range, and that low range.
Dr.John Jaquish: Correct.
Robert: One set may be 20 reps, for instance, but just increasing level of
fatigue as the set gets longer and longer?
Dr.John Jaquish: Right.
Robert: Got you, got you. I’m curious man, not to give this thing a try. I’m a
big advocate for one of my former employers was, he trained exclusively with
resistance bands and body weight movement, that’s all he’s done for the past 11
years. And then when he interviewed with me, I had him do dead lifts, and he was
ripping four or five off the ground, like he’d been doing it for years. That was
kind of my first eye opening moment to the effectiveness of resistance bands.
But I’ve never really used the
to an extent, but I’ve got
several clients that are big fans of it. So I’m curious to give it a try man.
Dr.John Jaquish: Nice. You will enjoy it. It is the easiest way to getting an
incredibly heavy workout, and… I shouldn’t use the word easy, it’s not easy.
But it’s the most injury free way.
Dr.John Jaquish: And unless… When I talk to younger athletes, and we’re
talking 18, 19, 20. They never think they’re going to get injured. And so,
that’s not really my target market. When I talk about injury prevention, they
roll their eyes like, I’m so bad ass, I’m never going to get injured. Like
mm-hmm (affirmative), okay. Well, have a nice day, because they’ll be back.
Dr.John Jaquish: What we actually did was I first launched the product, I was
talking to fitness industry people who, they can’t get out of their head… The
ultimate program is an ultimate program with weights. And when I say, “No,
you’ve got to take a step back further and you’ll see just how inefficient and
ineffective weight training is, because you’re not designed to handle the same
level of power. Look at sprinting, sprinting is one of the most efficient things
we do. We only use seven degrees of flection behind our knee. Why? We have 120
degrees available, why do we only use seven? Now, we all do this naturally, so
nobody really stops to think about it. There’s academic research on it, that’s
why we’re powerful. Just in seven degrees.
Dr.John Jaquish: So, why don’t we approach everything like that? Sprinting is
very efficient, why do we try and go as inefficient as possible when we lift
weights? Because it’s literally the least efficient thing you can do to
stimulate the body.
Robert: Speaking of running, do you do anything for cardio, like more
cardiovascular strength conditioning outside of the bar?
Dr.John Jaquish: There’s over 100 studies and most of which I site in the book
that show that strength training actually gives an equal or better cardio
Dr.John Jaquish: Cardiovascular health is higher is weight training athletes
than it is in actual cardio athletes. My position is, there’s really no such
thing as cardio. Cardio is just really shitty strength training that doesn’t
stimulate any strength. And the reason I can say this is because of the hundred
studies, but also the big myth came from somewhere, where I understand why
Dr.John Jaquish: So, I weigh 240 pounds, and when I’m at the Munich airport,
[inaudible 00:33:10] Munich airport, but it’s like, in your change of planes, I
go to Moscow. I used to go to Moscow very frequently. So, you fly into Munich,
you’ve got to go through customs there, and then you’ve got to go through the
Russian checkpoint, and then you grab your bags and recheck your bags. And so
you go up and down the stairs six times. I do not know why they designed this
airport, where you’re just sprinting up and down stairs to get to your flight.
Dr.John Jaquish: I’m with a guy who usually, who I used to travel with, who
weighs about 100 pounds less than I do. So he’s like a what, he weighs 140
pounds and I’m 240 pounds. And what happens is that, I’m out of breath by the
time we board the flight to Moscow, and he’s like, “Oh man, your cardio is
terrible.” And I said, “No, my quadriceps are just five times bigger than yours
are, and they draw a lot more blood.” So I have had to have my heart push more
blood into my legs, because I’m built for speed, for power, for instantaneous
power availability, whereas you’re not. And so the size of the musculature has
so much to do with how hard the heart has to pump. But from a cardiovascular
health perspective, I may be equal or better than you, because the goal is not
to be able to run 20 plus miles, the goal was to live a long time. Right?
Robert: That makes sense, it’s a good point. I’m definitely an advocate of being
able to pick up and run five miles without it killing you. I think that’s
important for anybody to be able to do. It makes sense for sure.
Dr.John Jaquish: Absolutely. But for a strong guy, if you take a 250 pound line
man, and you say, let’s go run five miles, he’s going to be like, “Can I get an
Uber for the last four?”
Robert: [crosstalk 00:35:21].
Dr.John Jaquish: He doesn’t want to do that because it’s not what his body has
been trained to do. [crosstalk 00:35:27] matter.
Robert: What about with this year and COVID obviously, and all the gyms being
closed down. I would have to imagine that’s had a massive, resulted in a massive
increase, interest in traffic towards your site and sales of the bar because
it’s just people looking for options outside the norm right now.
Dr.John Jaquish: I would way rather live in a world where we were not scared of
something that kills less people than the flu. But unfortunately, we live in the
world that we live in, and fear is the new currency, so this year has been
great, as unhappy as I am about it.
Robert: Have you gotten a lot more of hardcore believers because they’ve started
using your bar as the norm?
Dr.John Jaquish: People who would normally just
it’s 100% of their workout, and they’re like, “I’ve put on more muscle.” I hear
this all the time. “I’ve put on more muscle in six months, than I have in the
past 10 years of weights.” I probably have received over 1000 emails to say
Robert: You get a lot of people that use your product for several months, and
then go to see how that strength correlates to traditional barbell movements,
and notice that their maxes have all increased? Or does it not translate very
well, I would assume it has a pretty good correlation there?
Dr.John Jaquish: No, it translates very well. I will say though, weight lifting
movements, traditional weight lifting movements, do have a skill involved. You
can take someone who’s strong, like farm boy strong, and then put him on a bench
press, and they’re strong, they can pick up a lot of weight, but they’re wild,
they’re all over the place. They don’t have a lot of control of these bar.
Dr.John Jaquish: You’ve got to remember a bench press is like swinging a golf
club or throwing a baseball. There’s a skill you need to stay proficient with.
So, if you’re a competitive weight lifter, you take six months and you say I’m
going to just focus on
to really build up some muscularity, some
power, and then come back to weights before the competition. Give yourself a few
weeks to get the skill back, because if you try one time, you won’t be as good
at the skill.
Robert: Yeah, that makes sense.
Dr.John Jaquish: A little rusty. So there’s a no muscular component there.
Robert: So for the people, probably a lot like myself that are going to have a
hard time just stopping all traditional lifting cold turkey, would you recommend
on their off days from the typical lifting, or
doing it before normal training or after?
Dr.John Jaquish: [crosstalk 00:38:21] recovery. So don’t do that. I would just
say, one day a week, go back and do your lifts, and then the rest of the other
five days, do
. You’re going to get your results out of
, and I ask people all the time that are really worried about
their lift numbers, and I’m like, “Do you compete?” And then they go, “No.”
“Okay, well what’s your goal when you work out? Is it to be as strong and as
lean as possible? Or you just want to talk about your bench press?” They laugh,
and then they’re like, “Well, strong and as leans as possible.” I’m like, “Who
cares?” It doesn’t matter.
Robert: That’s true. Lifting for me is like therapy as well. I like the time
that it spends, so I don’t know if I’m going to get enough therapy in 10 minutes
of using the bar. I have to blend the two a little bit there.
Dr.John Jaquish: Probably a little. I would say, you could… Oh God, my fans
are going to kill me for saying this, but if you’re like the guys who are really
into lifting, use
as your finishing set because… I’m going to
get everybody hate with this statement, because your regular lifts, they’re not
doing shit for you anyway. So, you can spend your time doing that, and then
actually get a real training stimulus in the end.
Dr.John Jaquish: I’m very pointed with my comments. I don’t mind rattling cages
because I can back up my position. You read the book, people who actually took
the time to read the book. Anybody who bitches about what’s in the book, didn’t
read the book. It’s very obvious. They try and argue with some scientific point,
it’s like you missed every principle of basic human physiology. Go back to high
school dude. You don’t understand anything. And the people who do support it
most emphatically are medical doctors. My whole life people have been saying,
“Oh, medical doctors don’t believe in exercise.” No, it’s not that they don’t
believe in exercise, they fail to see the science. Where’s the science that
justifies the squat or the bench press? Just because people have been doing it
and they’re having scientific measures taken, let’s take a step back and say,
“What about this whole practice, does it make sense?” An orthopedic surgeon
would say no, because more injuries come out of weight training than results do.
Where’s the win there?
Dr.John Jaquish: Insurance companies won’t pay for you to go weight training.
Why? Because they pay for more injuries as a result of weight training. They’d
rather you just eat Cheetos on the couch. You will cost them less. Also, the
less money you cost them, the healthier you are, it doesn’t matter what… I see
people all the time who are constantly having joint issues with their feet, who
workout all the time, and then they’re like, “Well, I’m a fit guy.” They can
hardly get out of the chair without tears coming to their eyes, and I’m like,
“Really? Are you? Are you sure? Because I bet in 10 years, you’re going to have
Robert: Yeah, let’s talk about that for a second. Let’s compare with traditional
high bar back squats with the barbell for instance. The strain that’s happening
to your knee joints for instance, that compared to the
You’re doing a front squat with the X3 Bar
, right? Not a back squat?
Dr.John Jaquish: Nobody should do back squats. Loading weight on the back of
your neck, why did we ever think that was a good idea?
Robert: Yeah. So from a joint standpoint-
Dr.John Jaquish: I mean really, like we are sagittal, we bend forward, that’s
how we pick stuff up. Loading stuff on the back of your neck, is never anything
humans did. Just not. You should see, when I speak at a conference and there’s a
bunch of fitness guys in the audience, they’re like shivering, they’re so mad.
But it’s like okay, justify it for me. Give me the research that says loading
things on the back of your neck is a great idea. Of course the physicians in the
audience, they’re laughing. They’re like, “Praise the Lord, this guy’s awesome.”
Because they hate that shit. They get more patients coming in, they’re like, “I
can’t turn my head and it hurts, I’m depressed, I’m thinking about suicide.” And
then they’re like, “What hurt your neck?” And they’re like, “Every time I go to
squat…” And the doctor is like, “Stop right there. Stop squatting.”
Robert: What about the knees. Talk to me about the knees. What’s happening
there? What’s the difference between traditional and the
Dr.John Jaquish: You’re forced to throw your butt back more so, when you front
squat. So, superior position. But you can do that with weights too. But with
, the weight drops off as you enter into the weaker ranges of the
motion. You might only be handling your body weight plus 50 pounds at the
bottom. But at the top of the squat, I might be doing my body weight, plus 400
Robert: So on that, I’m trying to visualize the other platform now with the
ground plate and everything. And when you’re… I like going really, really deep
on my squats. When I’m going super deep, those bands are probably not going to
be taut, right?
Dr.John Jaquish: Right.
Robert: So I don’t start getting resistance until I’m probably a little bit
above parallel. Correct?
Dr.John Jaquish: Well, you still have your body weight. That’s resistance.
Robert: Right. Besides that?
Dr.John Jaquish: It depends on how tall somebody is. I’m six foot, and I don’t
ever have zero load.
Robert: I’m five-seven. So you get your beat there.
Dr.John Jaquish: How tall are you?
Dr.John Jaquish: Yeah. There’s a couple of things I would have you do a little
differently. There’s band shorteners.
Robert: Got you, got you.
Dr.John Jaquish: Don’t worry. I’ve got you taken care of.
Dr.John Jaquish: Because there’s all kinds of people. So many power lifters are
shorter guys, and they needed help. And so, really all you do is you take a
spacer, which is just like a piece of pipe, and you just put in the chain next
to the hook, and you look at some of my stories on Instagram, there’s always
somebody that I put on my stories on Instagram, every day, who’s using a band
Dr.John Jaquish: Yeah.
Robert: What if they’re super tall people?
Dr.John Jaquish: 40 NBA players, not one of them has complained.
Robert: I guess that’s proof in the pudding, huh?
Dr.John Jaquish: Including some guys who are heading to Hall of Fame, like Andre
Drummond. There’s a bunch of pro athletes that would not let me put their
picture on the website, even with my help and everything like that, because
their name is just worth so much. And I’m talking like some of the best guys in
the NFL and some of the best guys in the NBA. And I understand it’s their brand,
they’re like, “No, I can’t do that because that would… Normally I would charge
somebody…” Let me give you an example. There’s a quarterback who maybe
considered best quarterback who ever lived, who asked for 49% of the company, if
he uses his name and image. And I’m just like, you’re asking for, depending on
how you do the valuation, like 50 million dollars. No.
Robert: That’s a big ask.
Dr.John Jaquish: In another year or two, more people will know
than they will know you. And there’s like a long silence on the phone, and he’s
like, “All right, well, I guess we can’t come to an agreement.” I’m like, “Yeah,
I’m sorry. I can’t.” Cool guy though. I thought his proposal was so
unreasonable. Wow, really? You thought I would go for that? I don’t know, but
Dr.John Jaquish: Besides, I have a stronger engine for building a following than
any of these guys, because I’m so controversial, the haters do my work for me.
The more people I piss off, the more stupid things they say, because they don’t
actually read what I’ve written, because they’re probably not smart enough to
read it. There’s a reason why in fitness, the two most popular web services are
Instagram and YouTube. Pictures and videos, because these clowns are illiterate.
Think about it. They’re not reading articles anymore.
Robert: Yeah, I think-
Dr.John Jaquish: Something to wrap your head around.
Dr.John Jaquish: That is the fitness industry, just angry, really unintelligent
people. And that’s not everybody, of course, but these guys, the angrier they
are, the more hateful videos they make. It’s great because then somebody goes, I
want to see what this guy has to say to everybody’s trashing. Then they read my
book, and they’re like, “This is genius. I’m going to buy the product, I’m going
to buy one for my father too.”
Dr.John Jaquish: These guys, they’re my useful idiots. I love putting them to
Robert: I actually don’t consider myself a useful idiot by any means, but I will
read your book-
Dr.John Jaquish: I don’t consider you one either.
Robert: I will read your book, and I will try, I’ll
[cods 00:48:26] try, as they say, and I’m going to track everything. So I’ll be
able to have a pretty good idea to the results of it all, and I’ll share my
findings with my audience for sure. But yeah, man. I’m always down to try
something new, mix things up a bit. So, I’ll give this a shot.
Dr.John Jaquish: You are headquartered in Austin, right?
Robert: No, I’m just North of Austin, I’m in Arkansas.
Dr.John Jaquish: Okay. Are you anywhere near Fairhope?
Robert: No, we’re in Central Arkansas, but we’re moving to Northwest Arkansas
Dr.John Jaquish: Okay. There’s an OsteoStrong facility, that’s the medical
device. And they do a lot with
Robert: Nice. Nice.
Dr.John Jaquish: The guy who runs Fairhope, he has two, you ought to check out
the OsteoStrong website. There’s two very successful OsteoStrong locations in-
Robert: You said Fairhope?
Dr.John Jaquish: In Arkansas. Yeah.
Robert: Let’s see here. There’s a Fairhope Alabama. Are you sure it’s Alabama?
Dr.John Jaquish: I’m speaking of Alabama, sorry. I don’t go to a lot of A
states. I don’t go to Alaska either.
Robert: It’s all good man. People make that mistake all the time. People think
I’m in Alaska, half the time.
Robert: Cool man. I will definitely check this out. Where can people go to find
out more about the book, the Bar, you. What’s the go to website?
Dr.John Jaquish: I created a landing page so I don’t have to give five handles
. D-O-C-T-O-R, the letter J.com.
Robert: Awesome man. I will link out to that. I certainly appreciate the
conversation, the controversy, everything. You got me curious, and I’m going to
dive in, man.
Dr.John Jaquish: Thanks Robert.
Robert: Take care brother.