Despite going to the gym and tweaking your diet, are you still stuck looking
like you don’t even work out?
As my guest Dr. John Jaquish, who happens to be a scientist, inventor, and The
Wall Street Journal best-selling author, explains in this podcast episode, this
is an all too common problem that many gym goers face.
And the root cause may surprise you.
Dr. Jaquish believes that weight lifting is actually a huge waste of time. And
no matter how many different programs you try, you’re not going to get the
results you want because it’s an ineffective form of exercise.
Full Transcript #
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Hello, and welcome to the Natural State Podcast. I’m your
host, Dr. Anthony Gustin. Today on the podcast, I have Dr. John Jaquish joining
us, who is quite a character. This guy has a lot of amazing information that is
a little contrarian and I tend to like those people. He’s also very upfront and
blunt with what he thinks so if you are sensitive to follow a language, in this
one I would say probably not the one for you but if you are looking for
unfiltered information about why weightlifting might not be the best thing for
you, then this episode should be right up your alley. Doc has done a lot of
stuff, he started in Biomedical Device Engineering and then switched and made a
couple of different machines and then moved into trying to figure out how to get
people the best bank for the buck and Da Vinci invented a device for that as
well, put a book on it recently. Super smart guy, tell that I like how it is and
I really appreciated our conversation.
That being said, let’s get into the show. Welcome to the show, John.
Dr. John Jaquish: Thanks for having me.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: You got it. We were just talking before the podcast little
bit and you wanted to dive right in because you were starting to throw out some
hot fires and nice facts.
Dr. John Jaquish: Hey, you got me ranting so I was like, hey, let’s get this one
Dr. Anthony Gustin: So the first one that I like to dive into is just the
concept of people obviously want to be fit right now, people have restricted
access to gyms and have a victim mentality, I think your opinion is that lesser
people should be rushing to get back to them?
Dr. John Jaquish: Well, their gyms are closing and then opening, closing and
opening and I can sort of see why. I think the whole like you need to work out
with a mask on, that role was written by somebody who’s never exercised in their
life. Because if you’re doing anything worthwhile, you’re moving a lot of air.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: I mean, I had an experience actually at a hotel a couple
weeks ago, where I was in a hotel gym and using some equipment, and there I had
mask on, I had to wear a mask and I left within five minutes and went to my room
and did a bunch of body weight stuff because it was impossible. I don’t have
people sitting there. [crosstalk 00:03:14]
Dr. John Jaquish: Of course, you know how, they’re not really working out.
They’re just pretending, going through the motions which a lot of people do in
gyms for other reason. So many people fail.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: So, okay with the mask thing and what about as far as you
were saying before we started recording around transmissibility of viruses
Dr. John Jaquish: So yeah, I mean, rightly so people worried about gyms being
huge pathogen communication sites. Now, when you lift and exercise in general,
you’re basically spitting all over everything. Because when you really have to
move air you breathe with your mouth not with your nose. [inaudible 00:04:02]
You’re pushing mucus kind of all over everything. And [inaudible 00:04:09] just
how it works when you breathe in hard. And we see, there’s a study that came out
a few years ago just before it said nothing to do with Coronavirus. It was just
showing how dirty fitness facilities are, they’re 300 times the viruses,
bacteria and other pathogens on a standard dumbbell or a barbell or any other
piece of fitness equipment, 300 times than they’re found on a public toilet
seat. So, yeah. They’re dirty. I mean, I think most people don’t really care
because they’ve always been that dirty and people who go to the gym, I think
some of them eat healthier of course, what does that really mean?
Yeah, some of them have a more favorable hemoglobin A1c score, so they can fight
off different infections much easier but for me in what I tell people and
because I didn’t start my company to promote leaving the gym but it’s like why
screw around? Just fork out. My product, this isn’t my opinion I can
scientifically back this up, I even wrote a book about it. But you don’t need
all the stuff that’s in a gym, all you need is much more simplified and much
more powerful equipment. And so I developed the
the objective because I was a busy guy. I wanted something that I could just use
for whatever the workout time was at my house because I don’t have time to drive
to a gym, I don’t want to screw around with it, I don’t want to listen to
somebody else’s garbage rap music. I mean, you walk in it’s just like, what is
this? Why do I have to listen to crap?
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: The whole experience is annoying.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Did you have a past where you did a lot of weightlifting,
use traditional gym equipment? And…
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Yeah, the entire time I didn’t even look like I work
Dr. Anthony Gustin: That’s great.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. For like 20 years I was in the gym all the time. And I
was pretty good rugby player and Undergrad. and then I did some Semi Pro rugby
after that. But the gym never really did me any favors. I was like, I think I
started when [inaudible 00:06:51] I graduated college or Undergrad, I got like
160 pounds and I was pretty lean. And then I got up to 190 pounds and I was not
lean. So I didn’t really, I was like…
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Bulking season or what?
Dr. John Jaquish: Well, it was more like I tried consuming more nutrients to
sort of force a muscle to grow which doesn’t work at all. You just get fat.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Yeah. So like what led to this shift of experiments and how
did you get to the point you’re at right now, where we have a very different
system and how you approach weightlifting, I guess wouldn’t be weightlifting,
but working out, exercising, stimulating muscles and stuff like that, what was
that path like?
Dr. John Jaquish: So people were like, who is this Dr. Jaquish guy and he kind
of came out of nowhere and that’s not quite right. I came out of medical device
development. So I invented a medical device. So I have lot of experience in
this, I just haven’t been around a bunch of gym people. So what I did was I
developed a medical device to treat bone density loss and create very powerful
bone mass to become fracture resistant. So I did that and in the process of
doing that, the device has to do with putting load through bone in impact ready
position. So the position you’re going to trip and fall, you’re going to have
120 degree angle here and your elbow is going to be up and the back of the hand
is going to be in line with the clavicle. And that’s how you would protect
yourself from impact that you’re falling.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Did you do this in isometric?
Dr. John Jaquish: No. Actions are through range. The range might be like a
millimeter in that specific area, the 120 degree angle, isometrics[inaudible
00:08:59] do a literature review on it as they don’t really do anything. Not bad
for activating. So like if somebody really needs a lot of power in a position,
they can activate a little bit but what I’m talking about a more powerful anyway
because we do go through a range of motion, but the movement is actually from
the compression of bone. So you actually distort the length and shape of the
bone while you’re under these forces. And so it triggers very rapid bone growth,
in the right population you have to be relatively ambulatory, relatively pain
free. So somebody in wheelchairs probably not a good candidate for it, so an
And so while I was developing this, I looked at some of the forces we were using
in a first clinical trial type study was done in London, through the University
of East London at a hospital in Stratford, London. And so we looked at the data
that was coming out of this and I saw postmenopausal women who have never
exercised in their life, still pain free, still ambulatory, but the most non
athletic people you can imagine and they were doing fantastic. They were using
start off by loading their hip joint with three or 400 pounds and in a month or
two, they’re up to six or 700 pounds.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: What was the hip triangle? An angle?
Dr. John Jaquish: 120 angle of inclusion behind the knee.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Is the hip just in a regular position standing or…
Dr. John Jaquish: No [inaudible 00:10:51] it’s seated but it you little lean
back a little bit, because you don’t want to slide out of the seat. I mean
there’s some just ergonomic realities you have to deal.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Is it like a leg press sort of setup?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, a little more like a leg top, almost the top of a leg
press type of position. But the machine is static, but you can move through four
inches. But that three or four inches of movement is from the compression of the
joints, the connective tissue and I mean your schooling is like right all about
this, you know bone is bendable. You just don’t see it usually, but you can
actually see it while somebody is doing this. And now those devices, they’re
found at osteotron locations, so they have an exclusive worldwide license for
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: And that’s what I’m partnered with Tony Robbins on. So Tony
and the CEO of that company called [inaudible 00:11:54], who really designed
that clinic model that’s getting all over the world.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: So it means this is a good solution for people who are just
generally want to be, build more muscle or be more athletic or prevent injuries
or is it was like very specific for people who are at risk. And they’re a little
bit older and they want to be…
Dr. John Jaquish: It’s both those populations, it’s the athletic, I want to be
indestructible kind of person and then it or I want to be injury free, but
that’s probably not how they word it. They talk about being indestructible and
then the population that has low bone mass or osteoporosis, but still has the
biomechanics available to perform the movements. [crosstalk 00:12:39] So early
onset is a population, there are early onset osteoporosis, or sorry, menopause
that which triggers lower bone density earlier in life. Therefore, by the time
they might reach 60, they have osteoporosis.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: So do you get them in a position and then load the base
increase the tension of the weight and then have them just stay there and keep
pushing? That’s how it’s done. So it’s like kind of isometric but not isometric?
Or is it…
Dr. John Jaquish: So robotically arm gets them in position. But you can’t
actually do an isometric to fatigue in that position because there’s such
pliability in the bone mass. And like I said the isometric studies, I don’t like
that word, because most studies that reference isometrics were like when people
would do this [crosstalk 00:13:36] This is like the shittiest angle ever. So you
can’t actually stimulate anything because you’re not getting a lot of force to
the muscle. Yeah, you can go to fatigue but so what? Like a wall set, you can do
wall sets day and night, you’re going to get any stronger? Absolutely not. It’s
like just torture. That’s all you’re accomplishing is pain. See, the difference
here is the vector load through the joint.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Yeah. Very well put.
Dr. John Jaquish: Interesting.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: And then how do you get any studies around how that impacts
not only bone mass, which probably very easy to tell muscle mass, but connective
tissue and tensile strength of tendons and ligaments, things like that?
Dr. John Jaquish: So there’s already a lot of research on that. And Yeah,
Benjamin and Ralph’s 1998 is probably the best study on compressive forces
through impact or impact low loading in joints when in axial format like is an
almost lining it up in a linear, like this is almost a straight line. Yeah, that
almost a straight line, a straight line doesn’t do it because you can’t push,
you can’t create any force. So, there’s a lot of great research on that already
because ultimately it’s better to reference other stuff that was done by
professors at universities that I have no financial relationship with or the
research was performed before I invented the thing. Well because right now the
world and rightly so, the world has become very aware of conflicts of interest
in research is sort of vegan research seems to always be funded by a craft in
Nabisco and General Mills, or some of their surrogate like charities which are
only just trying to prove that carbohydrates are great for you or trying to
falsely claim that carbohydrates are something you need and it’s because it will
so like, why do they want everybody to be vegan? They want everybody to be vegan
because they know vegans don’t eat vegetables, they eat cookies and candy bars
and crackers and everything else every week asked sissy loves to suck up all day
long. But they’re convincing people. I’m a straight shooter, man. I’m just…
Dr. Anthony Gustin: I like it.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right? I mean it’s like every guy is like, well, I’ve lifted
for years, I’m getting out of it, I was like put a Snickers bar in their mouth
and you’re like mm-hmm (affirmative)-
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Well, right, if it fits your macros as they say.
Dr. John Jaquish: You’re right because kale and a Snickers bar are the same.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: You’re right. So just bringing it back to, I’m really
interested in this machine that… okay, we have all this increase in muscle
mass, bone density, probably connective tissue as well. What about movement
patterning on top of that, let’s say you build a stuff, how much do you
encourage proper movement patterning? I think from what were the specific thing
Dr. John Jaquish: The users at the clinic day, they do some movement training
post. So after they’ve given sort of a neural potentiation, a short time
pigmentation stimulus to the machine, like you’re lit up like a Christmas tree
from an EMG standpoint, EMG doesn’t mean a whole lot by itself. But when tissue
is active, and you do like a balanced training type thing, so we do whole body
vibration and go through a protocol on that to build the balance and mobility
right after that session.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Got it. That’s proven very successful people, like go from
hanging on with fear to the railing on the stairs, to running up the stairs and
not even touching the room.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: That kind of change in behavior, where first it’s
subconscious and then they go, I don’t grab one of the rail anymore. Just weird.
Dr. John Jaquish: It’s not weird to me because I know exactly what’s going on in
Dr. Anthony Gustin: This is one of the things that when I was in practice
treating NFL players, for example, that I knew their strength and conditioning
coaches and programs, they had some of these fancy things in there but then most
of these athletes would then have non-contact injuries because they weren’t
integrating any of this training. And it’s just like one of the most bizarre
things and that’s why the fact that you combine it with the viaplay plus
movement stuff is like such a great combo. Is the CNS load pretty extreme kick,
you can only do it a couple times a week?
Dr. John Jaquish: You can only do it once a week and partially because the CNS
load exactly, I love it you know that. But the other thing is the metabolic rate
of bone, like primary mineralization after an
episode is between five
and 10 days.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Secondary mineralization takes 144 days.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Interesting.
Dr. John Jaquish: Bone doesn’t change out all that fast, where it’s like your
lungs in your cardiac muscle have a very rapid metabolic rate.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Yeah, good.[crosstalk 00:19:03]
Dr. John Jaquish: It has to be able to recover quick. So we only do sessions one
time per week.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Fascinating. So the bar you made then is that sort of how do
I bring this to my day to day without having to have a giant machine and
protocol? Or what was the thought process on…
Dr. John Jaquish: The bar is different, the bars not for bone density, extra
bars is what we’re talking about for the listeners. That was more like when I
looked at the data from this bone density device, I thought this proves
weightlifting is a garbage stimulus. Because if we’re seven times more powerful
in the extended position than we are in the stretch position, why would we ever
exercise with the same weight in all positions? [crosstalk 00:19:56] The weights
got to dramatically increase not just like band training, could band training by
itself is totally worthless because you can’t get the magnitude of change and if
you do, like the bands that come with the
, they’re 50 to 100
times more powerful, when I do a deadlift with the X3 Bar
, it’s 615
pounds at the top.
That’s not a rehab band. That’s not a warm up band, that’s something special.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: Because nobody makes [inaudible 00:20:25] like that, except
Dr. Anthony Gustin: So you’re just looking at the literature and say okay, these
different biomechanical positions we have different load and if we’re optimizing
basically for the weakest link in this position down here, then I’m
shortchanging about seven times if I’m at a fully extended position. So how do
we train out the band? Rubber bands like a nick, how do we make it then a device
that you can actually trying to hold on to a band, you can even do like pay off
prizes with the band is tough, it slips in your hands do your hands [inaudible
Dr. John Jaquish: Digging in here, it’s bending your hand the other way
that[inaudible 00:21:04] can close your hand. But it’s trying to make your
knuckles do this with your palm up. That’s, that’s called an injury. That’s not
[inaudible 00:21:14] by itself is just junk and you can’t use it. But Olympic
bar is a very small dimension especially when it has rotation. So I mean here’s
, this rotates but my hand stays in the same place. So I
can alter regret and always optimize it without twisting my wrist. And like I
said, you deal with much more force using this device than you would
My chest breaths is 540 pounds for 20 to 30 repetitions, I’m not going to hit
20, 30 repetitions, I’m not going to hit two repetitions with 540 on an actual
step off, I would never even though I dropped them dead.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Right. I mean, this is one of the biggest things here you,
I’m always a fan of things that are more simple and reduce the risk of injury as
much as possible. So I think people are deadlifting 800 pounds, squatting 500
plus pounds and then going to fatigue, meet years asking for an enormous injury.
This is just something that like, I get that we live in an artificial world and
we sort of need to use some techniques and strategies to balance that out but no
one had 500 pounds in their back going up and down anytime before 100 years ago.
It just didn’t happen ever.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. We’re still strong.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Right. I mean, look at the physics of chiseled out marble
models in the past, how the physiques that they desire.
Dr. John Jaquish: Now the Hercules got you from like the 1600s, who sat for
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: Somebody sat for that there was some guy that actually looked
like that and that guy, if you were around the day he’d be Mr. Olympia.
[crosstalk 00:23:11] Might even be named like 1200 or something like that.
That’s an old sculpture.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: So when you then switch the bar stuff with
and coming with this protocols, where did you find sort of
the diminishing returns here? Was it just one exercise, like a couple sets once
a week or what is it of you guys deliver a protocol with it? Or how do you
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, one set per exercise and the reason is the level of
exhaustion is devastating.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Yeah, got it.
Dr. John Jaquish: Its far beyond what you would get with weight training. And
anything in nature, it’s like how many sets do you need to do in the sunlight to
get a tan?
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Right. I mean, what a stupid question?
Dr. John Jaquish: Well, if everyone understands that, that’s a stupid question,
then isn’t everybody stupid? Who knows they have to do more than one set of
weight training? The only reason you do more than one set is because it barely
works at all.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Yeah, stimulate growth. Yeah, because you weren’t getting
the maximum amount of load because you were training toward the least common
denominator with the weaker.
Dr. John Jaquish: That’s right. Exactly, you pick a weight that you can handle
on the weakest range of motion where you use the least amount of muscle tissue
and the rest of the movement, you’re hardly switched on at all.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: So how does this change per person who has different joint
positioning different limb length, things like that, different biomechanics,
does the is it pretty fair to say that the band works for everybody or they’re
different bands tall people, short people, etc, etc.
Dr. John Jaquish: You can roll the band up on the hook, so that it’ll be shorter
for the shorter people, but we have, I think 40, maybe 35 NBA players because we
have the whole Miami Heat team. In fact, the back of the book has an endorsement
from the Miami Heat, actually let me use their name, which pro teams don’t do
that because they protect their brand.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: You got to make the band’s just a little bit stronger for
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. The basketball players use it, and they just go a band
lower than like I would because they’re strong guys but they have very long
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Got it. Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: So you know, you just pick a different…
Dr. Anthony Gustin: So this is the strength, so basically the maximum tension at
the top of the band would just be more because they’re taller. So they should
choose a lower band than you would have?
Dr. John Jaquish: There’s other… So I have in total there’s the Miami Heat,
that’s the only whole team and then there’s about 30 other professional
athletes, 12 NFL guys, a couple of Olympians, Swedish soccer, trying to think
who else. So a lot of professional athletes have switched to this and then
aren’t lifting weights anymore. So I use that as an example like somebody who’s
skeptical about this, and who might not be able to appreciate research, there’s
a lot of people who read research and they’re like this is like looking at
spaghetti. I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. I get it, research is
not written for regular people. It’s written for the people with the education
to read it.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: Professors write it for other professors, not for somebody
who’s got a sideways hat on who spends hours in the gym every day.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: So with this system, are you saying that this people when
they go to do weightlifting, are trying to gain muscle mass or train their
muscle tissues? And this is a better version of that? Or how do you think
through the benefits of it compared to a traditional weightlifting program?
Dr. John Jaquish: I mean, size and strength, but you can also get more strength
without the size by altering your diet a little bit.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Good.
Dr. John Jaquish: So you kind of limit the amount of protein so you don’t have
as much hypertrophy but you can still get the neurological and the recruitment
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Pound per pound you’re stronger than, is it sort of like
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. You get a better power weight ratio if you do that.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Interesting. And so what about as far as a metabolic, is
like when I think about fitness I think a lot of people just think, if I do this
one modality that I heard on the news or seen my friends doing, I must be fit.
So I’m gonna go run 20 miles a day and that little make me fit or I’ll go do
bicep curls every Tuesday and that’ll make me fit. And I get should be a little
bit more of an integrated approach. I’m just curious how you think about how
this fits into a little bit more well rounded movement.
Dr. John Jaquish: It’s little more well rounded. It’s every muscle body, so
there’s movements for everything. And not a lot of movements. There’s really
eight main movements and two supplementary movements.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Was it LS, overhead press, bench press, horizontal row. How
do you get… What am I missing? How do you get a vertical relic sort of mimic a
Dr. John Jaquish: sure. Yeah. Here we go. So it’s like a bent row.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: You see the plate I’m standing on?
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Yep.
Dr. John Jaquish: You don’t have that plate, You break your ankles because
tension so high.[crosstalk 00:29:23]
Dr. Anthony Gustin: So if you’re just listening didn’t get the visual, It’s
basically like a rectangle plate you’re standing on and then a banner on that
and you hold an
and then doing basically been around..
Dr. John Jaquish: 40 inches wide, 11 inches deep.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Yeah, I mean, the one thing I was thinking about this is I
haven’t used this. I mean, I’m super intrigued now and want to see how it goes.
But the recruitment of like the lower lats, and how do you think about getting
that, just go lower on that row to get a little bit more with that tension in
the vertical through the…
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Well, I mean also lower and upper lats, you’ve read the
research that shows that you actually can’t trigger just one part of a muscle,
we can’t train your upper packs or lower packs, it’s just, they’re all connected
the same place, they’re all firing and the people with giant upper packs, it’s
like a fingerprint, they were born with that shit, and just showed when they
started lifting stuff. I love guys that have like a really tall peak like my
bicep is long but some like our shorts and there’s like [inaudible 00:30:36] So
this tendon looks like it comes closer here and the guy’s got like a taller
peak. Well, like I said, there’s no training that makes the shape of a muscle,
but that’s the shape of the muscle.[crosstalk 00:30:52]
Dr. Anthony Gustin: You’ve spend many years trying to figure that out?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, well, fortunately there’s a lot of research because I
think sports scientists get really tired of hearing like, Oh, I’m really
focusing on my upper packs and they’re like, Oh, God. Now triceps behave more
like three different… sorry, not triceps. Deltoids behave more like three
different muscles. Like you can contract your frontal deltoid, your posterior
deltoid is stretching.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: And it’s doesn’t have activity so even though we look at that
like it’s one muscle group, it’s really more, it’s three.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: How do you think about this combining with a little bit more
dynamic movement and the necessity for that?
Dr. John Jaquish: Combining it with dynamic moves…
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Like, for example, sound like one of the things that always
with the weightlifting programs that I get sort of confused about is that, we’re
humans who look them out. So we move around for the world. Everything in
weightlifting programs are static, we’re not moving throughout space and so
there’s a weird…
Dr. John Jaquish: Very little.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Why are we not training the main thing that humans do which
is moving through space?
Dr. John Jaquish: Okay. Yeah. I do I get this question.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Yes.
Dr. John Jaquish: You graduate and we start training your lower extremities, you
first do a regular squat and then you switch to single leg squat or like a split
squat. And the reason we do that is because unless you’re a kangaroo you walk on
one foot at a time.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. And we drive with one leg at a time. So it’s how we
push ourselves forward. I mean it’s still set up more like weightlifting so
we’re not moving necessarily but we are enacting what we do when we move
especially with speed.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Yeah. So people are reporting their sprint times are going
down.I love to set a couple of sprint records, because I know I was always fast
and I bet it’s 44
Dr. John Jaquish: That’s an injury waiting to happen. Sprinting past 25 years
old is like damn, you don’t want to do that. So I’m not going to. [crosstalk
00:33:16] It would be If I could run a 40 or 45 or something like that.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: I wouldn’t put it past you, if you’re the guy…
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, I wouldn’t put it past me either. But I just don’t want
to, it’s just a dangerous thing. It’s like what am I trying to prove? Who cares?
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Yeah, I think about sort of health in compartmentalised ways
but all the same principles. For example, with movement health same with, let’s
even say your gut just to make it easy an example here. A lot of people say any
human who’s just born and eats a normal human diet which nobody does anymore,
their gut health is totally fine it can handle eating whatever. With movement If
you train and do all this stuff and you’ve never had any movement problems
throughout your life, you should be able to just train these muscles and do
these things and then go kayak or rock climbing or whatever and you have totally
fine movement patterns and be great. However, we have such weird environments
that sometimes the artificial sort of deviation from what a human should do
requires an artificial solution so even if you’re eating shitty food, you can’t
just eat good food or even carnivore or anything like that is a reset diet.
Sometimes you need an artificial intervention to clear out the gut sort of reset
things and build it back up.
Same thing with movement, sometimes I think it’s unfortunate what people don’t
realize is that they have been sitting their entire life are doing really weird
and awkward movement patterns, that they put this stuff on top of it, it’s not
like adding strength to it, is it necessarily the solution to it and that’s
gonna fix all their other movement problems and pain and injuries like that and
sort of curious your take on intervention to correct improper things that lead
to pain and joint surreptitious like that.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. We’re going to have some important, there’s a lot of
chiropractors and physical therapists who are using
corrective movement patterns now, I’m not gonna build any of those protocols, I
am super not qualified for that and that needs to come from somebody who
practices therapy. And there’s a lot of examples of people, I got a lot of
people practicing therapy, sometimes I see a dysfunction and they have to do
some guesswork and experiment with three or four different movements.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Absolutely.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, you don’t really know like you can’t, you don’t have
vision, you don’t know what’s not firing, what’s firing, so
we’re just going to run some experiments. And it takes a knowledgeable person so
he was somebody has a movement pattern problem they don’t have any flexion in
the feet, not somebody would drop foot, but somebody that can’t really get their
feet up. More they don’t have, it’s almost like their ankles like frozen. So
when they go to squat, it’s like everything a mess. I’ll tell, I have a whole
staff who answers questions and comments. I don’t answer my own comments, by the
way. That’s just, I’m not talking to the carnies. So, somebody with a
dysfunctional movement, I love that’s like you clearly have some special
internet commenters as well. Somebody has a dysfunctional movement pattern, I’m
like, just get some time with a physical therapist. Of course, then it’s like
well my insurance paid for it. I’m like, Who cares? You can’t walk right? It’s
take care of that. That is like your health forever. Get you fixed that movement
pattern and if they do it right, it’ll stay right forever.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Exactly.
Dr. John Jaquish: I can’t think of a better investment in your health.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: People try to find all these weird secrets and health. And
it’s like, oh, I heard from this one person that you should use a sauna only 175
degrees after 9 pm. But before you workout and after you take about 250
milligrams of buffered Calcium, but only if it’s every other day and there’s a
full moon, it’s like that’s going help increase your cardiac output. It’s like,
do you keep… Can you walk appropriately? Do your joints work like a normal
human? Do You eat real food?
Dr. John Jaquish: Your joints ache?
Dr. Anthony Gustin: You sleep deep…
Dr. John Jaquish: …every day.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Once you start mastering some of these things within life, I
think always coming back to the fundamentals is something that people avoid. I
think that we had a point we think like these little factoids, or what in
secrets it shouldn’t be that obvious. There has to be something. I’m sure you
get this coming all the time with yours up because he looked at it like
certainly this can’t do everything that I needed to do. Certainly, it can’t get
a simple. Are you still here?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yes. [crosstalk 00:38:19]
Dr. Anthony Gustin: You bring the maximal tension throughout the movement in
this joint, yes or no? Like that…
Dr. John Jaquish: And also, you know anybody who’s into motorcycles, like
Dr. Anthony Gustin: My dad.
Dr. John Jaquish: Everybody knows somebody like this. They get their bike and
they show it to you and they’re really excited. And you’re like, yeah, cool
bike. Nice. And then they have a whole plan. Like they’re going to spend like a
year customizing it. And they do, they really just fuck it up. Just looks like
shit, looks worse than it did the day they got it. And they spent like an extra,
I don’t know, 5000, I don’t know what motorcycle parts cost. But you look at it
and you’re like, why did you think this was better?
And there’s something and these are intelligent people like Harley’s are
expensive now. So I see them doing this and I’m like, it’s really weird, you did
something that’s very similar to what my customers do. It’s like it’s perfect
the way it is. I wrote a book about it. Stick to the program, I say quote the
Mandalorian, this is the way, don’t ask any questions, just do it. And yif
you’re a medical professional, okay maybe there’s some therapy type stuff you
can do with it but you can do that because you’re a therapist, or you’re a
chiropractor because you know what you’re doing. But the regular person, the
regular investment banker out there, just follow the program and they get the
product and they can’t wait to start out adding extra shit into it, or modifying
stuff because they don’t understand the principles because they didn’t read the
book or memorize the Book, which is what I’d prefer.
They don’t understand how they’re like compromising many of the principles and
then at the same time, also using an almost injury free product to almost go out
of their way themselves. So yeah, I just don’t understand why people look at
Exercise Science and just haphazardly start changing stuff.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Yeah. I think people like to think that simple doesn’t work
because then if simple did work, why isn’t working for them? [crosstalk
00:40:46] what are their goals? Yeah, and…
Dr. John Jaquish: Right, but I mean, from the most simple standpoint, if you’re
seven times stronger and you’re stronger range of motion, and you’re on your
weaker range of motion, and you’re lifting regular weights. You screw the pooch
already. You’re not going anywhere, which is why and I make this argument in the
book in a few different places, why defend the fitness industry? I believe it’s
the most failed human endeavor, it’s part that’s because of nutrition. Because
there’s people who work out hard, but then they only eat pizza and Twinkies. And
then there’s other people who just… they lift like they’ve been told to and
they’re not stimulating anything. Well, because the lifting is really
And you know what the biggest genetic differences between athletes and people
who can’t seem to become athletic as identify this in the book too, you know
what it is? [crosstalk 00:41:43] its tendon layout. Like your pectoral tendon,
typically attaches right here, and the humerus bone is brought across like
forward or across the body, as you can track the pectoral. So pulling from right
here, pulling that across the body.
But when we look at Mike Tyson’s tendon layout, it’s not here, it’s here. So why
can he knock somebody out? Who’s four inches from his face? That’s why and when
somebody who’s like really good at the bench press, probably the bell brothers,
just gifted at lifting weights, they probably have an advantageous tendon layout
but that’s really the only difference. There’s birth weight is kind of a an
example of a genetic difference, but that also has more to how big somebody is,
all over like tall, North Nordic children tend to weigh more than Western
European children or Asian children or whatever, so that that has a genetic
effect as how just large a person is.
But when it comes to muscularity the tendon layout is really important. What
does that mean? They have a stronger weak range. That’s why Mike Tyson can give
an upper cut right inches from his face and knock somebody out or stun them and
then get back a little bit further and then really hit him. So and that was his
whole career. He ducks in and gets inside of the person’s space and the whole
time the person is trying to push Tyson away. But he’s got his power available
right up close to someone’s face. And that’s why Cus D’Amato when he watched
Mike Tyson train, he said that guy’s going to be the greatest boxer the world’s
ever seen. He watched him for an hour and he could just tell like there is a
genetic difference. And he capitalized on it because he understood exactly what
it was, never told anybody about it. [crosstalk 00:44:03] yeah and I detail this
in the book, and there’s research that backs it up 20 Oh, wait, I think it’s 27%
of people who lift weights have no ability at all in any way to create muscle
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Well.
Dr. John Jaquish: None.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: And that’s just…
Dr. John Jaquish: There never will. And so that that has to do with the genetic
differences. However, you notice with a strong ratio of variable resistance,
like I designed in
, that genetic factor is irrelevant.
Because if you have a strong weak range, okay, it doesn’t really matter. You’re
still going to fatigue in the weak range, and in the mid range, and in the
strong range, which you cannot do with a weight.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: What do you think about the machines like the ARX machine?
Dr. John Jaquish: Oh, the ARX machine is great. It’s a $400,000
, all right.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: So it’s awesome. I love it.[crosstalk 00:45:10]
Dr. John Jaquish: I will say gives it gives you data which
real simple and elegant. Don’t underplay it is awesome. It is my invention so
I’m going to say that. But it’s, ARX gives you a printout and looks at your
power curve, and probably gives you a lot of information you can’t do much with,
but it’s a lot easier to track progress. And it’s amazing.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: But it also cost more than my Lamborghini. So I’d rather have
my Lamborghini and an
in the trunk so I can work out on the
side of the road, which I do.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Interesting. So you never do any other type of work. Do you
do any sort of cardio type of stuff?
Dr. John Jaquish: No.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Just…
Dr. John Jaquish: I don’t believe there is such a thing as cardio. I think
cardio is just really shitty strength training and it doesn’t stimulate
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Because strength training actually stimulates the
cardiovascular system to a higher level of performance. I cover that in the
book, too. Yeah. Like if you want a healthy heart, cardio is not as good as
strength training. But there’s a myth that has come about by observing larger
strength athletes. Like if I run up a flight of stairs and a marathon runner
runs off a flight of stairs. By the time I get to the top, I might be a little
bit out of breath, I might have some sweat on my forehead.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: But you’re moving. Yeah, the mass you’re moving.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. It’s not just the mass, the muscle, my quadriceps, they
need more blood, it’s a bigger engine, you’re not going to find a V12 engine
that’s going to be very fuel efficient. That’s not what it was built for. V12
are for going fast, quickly, like getting up to speed. Yeah. So it’s purpose
built, you become purpose built by the way you train. Now, also, if you train
and be like cross trained, you’re giving the body conflicting signals. So you’re
sort of guaranteed to not go anywhere. You do your cardio and you increase
cortisol which gets rid of muscle and protects body fat, so it keeps you fatter
longer. That’s what cardio does. So also people who think they’re losing weight
with cardio, there’s 40 years of research that shows that doesn’t work. But
okay, BMI I guess. It’s what gyms are selling. So somebody says, why are people
so misinformed? Money.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: What do you think about all the bodybuilders do the low
intensity steady state stuff like when they wake up fasted, and they go for a
health long brisk walk, stuff like that?
Dr. John Jaquish: They’re still compromising their muscle building ability. Now,
a lot of bodybuilders are throwing in some other factors, right? Some other
growth inducing things that might cancel out a high level of cortisol. I mean,
but that’s victory by pharmacy. Okay. I mean, that’s the thing, that’s how that
sport operates. I have a lot of good friends and good your great customers are
bodybuilders. They’re starting to really get it. Because it’s like telling them
like this title of this book, they were bad guys. How could you do this? I
advocate for you, sort of I insulted their family and it’s like don’t look at it
Once you read the book you’ll understand. Now, notice I didn’t call it
resistance training is a waste of time.
Weight Lifting is a Waste of Time
, there’s just a better way to put
force through muscle to trigger more growth. Last I checked the goals of people
who go into a gym or to create an effect in the body, there are some people who
I believe their biggest objective when they walk into a gym is throwing the
weights on the floor and making a big noise so they can be a spectacle in the
center of attention.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Yeah,
Dr. John Jaquish: That is a psychological dysfunction, I can’t help those
Dr. Anthony Gustin: And then in the health they have a lot of mirrors there too.
So that’s also a plus.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Yeah. This is the sideways hat guys. [crosstalk
00:49:29] To roll the way there’s a great YouTube video of a guy dislocating his
shoulder while throwing the weight down.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Were his fingers wrapped around the [inaudible 00:49:40]?
Dr. John Jaquish: Oh no. It was actually the act of pushing the bar down,
accelerating the gravitational pull and guy dislocated his shoulder.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Oops.
Dr. John Jaquish: A quarter at making a loud noise with the way, then he did
actually doing the lift.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Doesn’t sound very safe.
Dr. John Jaquish: Well it tells you about the psychological problems of some of
these people who their religion is lifting dangerous weights to show how badass
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Yeah. Well, yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: But I mean those losers they’re not my customers so [inaudible
Dr. Anthony Gustin: But do you do recommendations for nutrition for people who
want to add some, let’s say using your protocol, using your device, What do you
say? Is it a very simple approach or is it calculated per body Weight?
Dr. John Jaquish: Its quality protein, count your grams protein, keep Carbs as
low as possible. There is one benefit of carbohydrates, which is muscular
hydration which should take advantage of after a workout. And I put that in the
hyperplasia protocol. So it’s combination of eating carbohydrates while
stretching or right kind of read for you stretch a muscle glycogen is coming in
on muscle, it’s being pulled and the facia gets stretched as more hydration gets
into the muscle. You can accelerate muscle protein synthesis is kind of an
advanced technique. But of course, seemingly everybody who lifts thinks they’re
advanced, they read a flex magazine in high school once so clearly, they’re
almost just like an NFL player. Like the overestimation that people do of
themselves is spectacular. Never the Pro Athletes though, Pro Athletes have the
most perfect read on their capacity.
And I think there’s something to be said, there’s almost not a single NFL player
that uses the
, that 600 pound deadlift.
They’re like that is too heavy, I can’t do it. Because they know they’re
supposed to go slow and controlled. Do the repetitions to get all the
stabilization firing which influences growth hormone regulation, that’s chapter
two of the book, chapter three of the book. They understand all that. And they
read carefully. And then because they know they need some controlled reps, so I
see a lot of people getting the Elite Band
they just do kind of halfway, jerky, firing into the movement. And let the thing
just spring right back at him. It’s just like, Wow, that is the opposite of why
I developed this. But you know you got a… Dirty Harry says man’s got to know
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. I mean you do, you need to know with like, what’s going
to stimulate growth, slow and controlled or stimulate growth, higher repetitions
will yield a greater level of fatigue in the mid and weaker ranges, which is why
minimum 15 repetitions and maximum 40 repetitions. And those are all like two
seconds up, two seconds down.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: So do that a lot of meat.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, and then count your grams of protein now. I tell people
don’t consume whey protein. It’s not very bioavailable. 82% of whey just goes
through as a waste. Just nitrogen. And most vegetable sources are like 91% goes
is waste because it’s not the right essential amino acids.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. So it’s not there is right essential amino acids. It’s
just tossed. So why bother? I mean, this is part of the reason why you can suck
up all pea protein all day long. And anybody who’s tried that, like they’re
getting smaller, they’re losing muscle mass. You know, it’s malnutrition.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: I mean, it’s very clear if you want to be like something,
eat something that’s close to that thing, provide us similar raw materials.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. I mean you can make that as a blanket statement because
rhinos are pretty strong. They have a high power to weight ratio. They eat
nothing vegetables,[crosstalk 00:54:30] they did in biochemistry.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Yeah. We’ll give a caveat for monogastric animals, humans
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, there you go. Yeah, you can just look at the size and
capability of the digestion of a human and it needs concentrated nutrients.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Because we don’t have a lot of intestinal wall. If you look at
gorilla, it has, I think four times the amount of intestinal wall volume.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Yeah and they can ferment things in their gut, definitely
it’s just a completely different physiology. I’m going to add this to, I do love
gymnastic training lately. It’s just fun for me. So I enjoy it. But I want to
add this, see and do some before and after pics.
Dr. John Jaquish: But make sure you get one gram per pound of body weight in
protein. That’s the only thing I count.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: I don’t need my Carbs are [inaudible 00:55:27] almost nothing.
Answers whatever comes with whatever cut of meat. I happen to get, I think I’m
doing some tuna and cheese later. Trying to get most of my nutrition and that
one meal because I haven’t sushi tonight, which is not really food.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Drive without that says go splurge.
Dr. John Jaquish: Oh, yeah. It’s wonderful. But I put in the same category is
like oh, we’re going to the chocolate Expo. It’s like, Okay, well, I’m eating
Dr. Anthony Gustin: It’s tragic.
Dr. John Jaquish: And I’ll be like my toothpick like I’m full. I’m fine.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Alright, Doc, well, tons of great information teaches
[crosstalk 00:56:11] a lot of things that you could interpret to, so where you
want to send people who are interested in more your work.
Dr. John Jaquish: Ah, so my last name is kind of difficult. Not everybody can
spell Jaquish right. And I intentionally misspelled it on Google and see how
many like hits, people are screwing on my name all day long to try and find
. So I create a landing page. It’s doctorj.com, d-o-c-t-o-r,
the letter j.com You can find my Instagram there, which is probably where I’m
posting the most. And I get a lot of free advice there. And also Facebook, you
can find the X3 Bar
, you can find the supplementation, the protein
supplement that I created, while I worked with a lot of people to create that
should take sole credit for that at all. But yeah, that’s a bacterial
fermentation type protein.
Even vegans can eat a bacterial byproduct, which is[inaudible 00:57:10] vegan,
and they’ll get a high quality protein. I think that’s the only option for
vegans. So like before, vegans would come at me and be like, You’re such a jerk
for recommending me and I’m like, hey, I also make this thing this could like
really improve your performance. And of course, a vegan who’s eating crackers
and cookies, and I guess a kale smoothie every once in a while, you also need to
get a lot of essential amino acids that their body has been looking for, some of
them for years, immediately their skin improves and their performance improves,
their energy improves, their sleep improves. So like they really see it because
we’re coming from such a compromised position. Yeah.
Dr. Anthony Gustin: Great.
Dr. John Jaquish: Thank you, find all that doctorJ.com. [inaudible 00:58:00]
Yeah, awesome. This was fun.