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100: Dr. John Jaquish on Gains, X3 Bar, and Why You May Never Need to Go to a Gym Again

By The Adonyx Podcast on May 11nd, 2020

100: Dr. John Jaquish on Gains, X3 Bar, and Why You May Never Need to Go to a Gym Again

100: Dr. John Jaquish on Gains, X3 Bar, and Why You May Never Need to Go to a Gym Again

Key Takeaways:

  • We are actually seven times stronger than we think we are.

  • Dr. Jaquish saw how the X3 bar not only helped people grow bone density but gave them an efficient and targeted workout with less chance of injury.

  • While we can over-load our joints and under-load our muscles while lifting weights, the X3 bar changes the weight as we move. This means more aggressive growth and better results from the muscle being taken to fatigue at a greater level.

  • There are a ton of scientific studies done on the X3 bar, along with Dr. Jaquish now working with the Miami Heat, NFL players, bodybuilders, professional swimmers, and many more.

  • With X3 bar you can do a workout anywhere, and if you are a baller like Dr. Jaquish, you can even set it up in your Lambo.

  • Dr. Jaquish gained 60 lbs of muscle and dropped 16 lbs of fat with the X3 bar.

  • Two of the most important factors of health and diet include having high levels of strength and low levels of body fat.

  • Fasting is a regular part of Dr. Jaquish’s life, and it is not uncommon for him to do a 5 day fast with only 16 calories a day.

  • If you’ve lost a lot of weight and still have that baggy and loose skin, fasting could help your body metabolize it.

Full Transcript

Brandon Carter: Yo man, fuck vegans. Except for my man Corinne, you cool.

Connor Murphy: I think history will record veganism as being very similar to anorexia and bulimia. It’s just going to be an eating disorder, a psychological disorder.

Brandon Carter: I like where this is going. If you’re one of my vegan fans, both of you, it’s just not meat, man. You know what I’m saying?

Connor Murphy: The fact that they get upset by somebody saying that it shows the psychological problems that they have. Because if somebody said meat’s not good for you, what would the three of us do? We’re sitting at a table and we just ordered some porterhouses and someone’s like, ‘meats bad for you.’ We’d be like, ‘see you later.’ More meat, we don’t care.

Recorded Voice: Welcome to the Adonyx podcast, where we discuss the best strategies to massively improve your aesthetics, love life, and overall growth as a badass individual.

Connor Murphy: All right, yo, what is up guys? Welcome to another episode of the Adonyx podcast. I am

Connor Murphy here with your co-host Brandon Carter.

Brandon Carter: What’s up?

Connor Murphy: And today we have a very special guest. He goes by the name of Dr. John Jaquish Jaquis.

Brandon Carter: Jaquish. Come on man, put some respect on his name.

Connor Murphy: My bad, man.

Dr. John Jaquish: He’s alright, it’s not an easy one.

Connor Murphy: It’s not, but-

Brandon Carter: It is peculiar. I’m going to be honest with you.

Connor Murphy: What did I say?

Brandon Carter: You said… Yo, man, I don’t want to disrespect this man and his heritage the way you did [crosstalk 00:01:30].

Dr. John Jaquish Jaquish: It used to be French when my family came to the United States and they tried to make it sound more English. They screwed up on that and they also screwed up on making more people. There’s not many Jaquishes.

Connor Murphy: Man, I feel you. Okay, cool. He’s a scientist and the founder of the X3 bar.

Dr. John Jaquish Jaquish: Inventor.

Brandon Carter: Inventor.

Connor Murphy: Inventor.

Brandon Carter: So we’ve been talking about this on the channel. We’ve been talking about the X3 bar on the podcast. Connor was alluding to this, to how he’s been keep working out during quarantine. And I was like, ‘Hey, don’t say the name until we get the guy on and let’s talk about it.’ And we made it happen. So it’s exciting that we actually got the actual founder. Can you tell us about the bar…

You know what, before we get into that, Connor?

Connor Murphy: Yeah?

Brandon Carter: Can you explain to John and the world how this bar has changed your life during the quarantine?

Connor Murphy: Well yeah, a little backstory. Once I realized that the quarantine thing was going to be a serious thing… I remember it happening and I was like, it’s cool. I have a gym at my apartment, I’m always going to be fine. But then all of a sudden, in fact, before everything else closed down, they closed down the gym to my apartment. It was kind of mandatory, all pools and gyms and stuff had to close. And I was like, what the hell?

So luckily my country club gym was open and so I could go there but -

Brandon Carter: Ooh, country club.

Dr. John Jaquish Jaquish: I know, fancy right? Nobody else would give you crap about that except for the two of us.

Connor Murphy: Yeah. So I would still work out there, but I was-

Dr. John Jaquish Jaquish: Did they close the football fields as well?

Connor Murphy: They’re closed, everything’s closed man. Everything. They started closing everything. So I was like, damn, what in the world am I going to do? And so I came across your X3 bar years ago. I was looking for portable gym type things that I could just take while I travel. I never got it because I was like, eh, I’ll just find some gyms wherever I travel or whatever. But then the quarantine came around and I was like, wow, I’m definitely going to need something like this. And so I looked it up again.

I watched all your videos and it seemed like you could get a great workout on there. And so I got it. And I’ve been using it for at least a month now, ever since the start of the quarantine and it’s been dope. I’ve been loving it for sure.

Dr. John Jaquish Jaquish: You’ll start putting on a lot of size if you get over a grand per pound of body weight and protein.

Connor Murphy: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish Jaquish: Yeah.

Connor Murphy: Yeah. I believe it man. Brandon Carter: Have you been making gains, Connor?

Connor Murphy: I think so. I’m at the point where it’s tough for me to gain too much muscle-

Brandon Carter: How you going to put on more muscle?

Connor Murphy: I’m pretty close to my natural limit, but I think so. I think I’m definitely looking a little better for sure. It’s hard to tell. Obviously any progress is going to be minimal, but I mean for sure, if anything, it’s definitely trending in the positive direction 100%.

Brandon Carter: Wait a minute John, will it be minimal? Are there advantages to this piece of equipment? So let’s explain what is the bar? Because like some people will listen in their car or-

Dr. John Jaquish Jaquish: The bar here looks like this, for those who are watching. You can see what it looks like. The bar has full swivel, like an Olympic bar. It’s like a compact Olympic bar that will handle over a thousand pounds if you hook it on there, and it’d take a real mutant to deliver that. But the science that goes around it is most people don’t realize they are actually seven times stronger than they think they are.

Brandon Carter: What?

Dr. John Jaquish Jaquish: Yeah. And if you look at what your body is capable… I could take you into use the bone density, the medical device I invented and you would compress with self-generated force your lower extremities I’m guessing, Brandon, probably over 3000 pounds. You would be able to create through your lower extremity. So I developed that to treat- Brandon Carter: That’s a scientist saying I can lift 3000 pounds, y’all. That’s a scientist.

Dr. John Jaquish Jaquish: Yeah. When I put NFL players on it, I’ve even seen that needle past 4,000 pounds. Now we’re talking linebacker kind of people. So I’m looking at little old ladies do this, women in their sixties and seventies putting six, seven, eight times their body weight through their lower extremities. You think nobody works out with that. And nobody had really looked at the very specific impact ready positions. These are positions if you were to hit the ground, this is how you protect yourself. Everybody’s reflexes know exactly what these positions are. Even a child. A two-year-old trips and falls, they can catch themselves.

Brandon Carter: My son falls all the time.

Dr. John Jaquish Jaquish: He lands on his face, he’s going to cry. But if he has time to react, he just catches himself, gets back up and keeps going.

Brandon Carter: Yeah. After I’m done laughing at him, I’ll pick them up. Keep it going.

Dr. John Jaquish Jaquish: It’s great to be a father, it’s kind of awesome. You let him fall.

Brandon Carter: Hey man, you got to get tough. This isn’t the hardest thing he’s going to have to do.

Dr. John Jaquish Jaquish: Not every parent feels that way. To keep from falling, you’ve just got to let him fall. I was observing this miracle of human physiology. And I’m sitting here watching these women do it at the clinical trial. It was at a one hospital. And I’m thinking, weight lifting is wrong. Absolutely wrong. We’re using the same weight in the weaker range of motion as we are in the stronger range of motion. Doesn’t make sense. We have seven times the capacity out here. Why would we do that? Why don’t we have a weight changing? And then I thought, well, people have been using bands for a long time. But the problem is when you hook a band on your arm, on your wrist and you go try and do a push-up with it, this happens. Your wrist is twisting.

Because this is off center, right? The center of your wrist is more towards the center of your hand. It’s kind of an overhang here. So you can break your wrist by trying to do a push-up with a really heavy man. You just can’t do it. So you need to have something to keep your hands neutral and connected because you activate 20% loss muscle with dumbbells than you do with barbells. If your upper body has something heavy to deal with, you don’t pick it up with one hand. You pick it up with two. [crosstalk]

The strongest people in the world, they use barbells, not dumbbells. They might do something with a dumbbell in a competition, but that’s not how they got strong I’m sitting there in London and clinical trials are pretty boring to watch. And I couldn’t be the principal investigator because there was a conflict of interest. I was the inventor of that too. So I just kind of had to observe. And so I had a lot of time to think and I’m thinking, thinking, thinking. I go on and get some curry and I come back because that’s all there is in East London. And-

Brandon Carter: That’s the only thing that tastes good. Their food is gross otherwise. London, fix your food man. It’s awful. But I digress.

Dr. John Jaquish Jaquish: You mean like mushy peas?

Brandon Carter: Yeah man, they eat peas.

Dr. John Jaquish Jaquish: They overcook them. And so it’s like paste.

Brandon Carter: Yo man-

Dr. John Jaquish Jaquish: That’s how you prepare it correctly, by the way. That’s not a mistake. They’re like, ‘Yes, it’s called mushy peas.’

Brandon Carter: Yeah, they’re the worst.

Dr. John Jaquish Jaquish: They can build an empire, but they couldn’t do much for their food.

Brandon Carter: Back in the day-

Dr. John Jaquish Jaquish: They’ve got a bunch of idiots-

Brandon Carter: Now the food is good if you get the Indian food.

Dr. John Jaquish Jaquish: Totally. So when I’m making these observations, I’m like, there’s no way you can distract me. So I’m looking at this data and I’m saying weight lifting is kind of a waste of time. There’s a better way to do this. But it’s not bands. It’s something that might include a much heavier band, because if I’m going to dead lift, I need a band that’s going to give me 500, 600 pounds of force. So that’s exactly what I did. So I created ridiculously powerful bands and then worked with some of the guys who worked for my company, Jaquish Biomedical, that’s why I got the logo. And said, here’s the requirements of what we need, the bar that I just show you. We need a second ground to stand on so the band can move freely underneath.

And then we can actually access the body’s capability for musculature.

Brandon Carter: So those of y’all listening, basically it’s like an Olympic bar, you can put these bands on it, but they’re special bands, heavy resistance bands.

Dr. John Jaquish Jaquish: In fact, if you tried to use the bands by themselves, you could probably break your leg.

Brandon Carter: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish Jaquish: Standing on it to do a squat or deadlift. And when I chest press, it’s about a hundred pounds here, it’s 300 pounds here, and it’s 540 pounds here.

Brandon Carter: So it’s similar if you’re like doing regular benefits with chains, how it gets heavier as lifted?

Dr. John Jaquish Jaquish: Yes. That is another approach to variable resistance. But this is much more aggressive.

Brandon Carter: Really? Okay. So-

Dr. John Jaquish Jaquish: Because chains will have you hold X at the bottom of a movement and let’s say 1.2X or 1.3X at the top. This is like X at the bottom and 5X at the top. So this is a whole another level.

Brandon Carter: So basically you’re telling me this is better than weights?

Dr. John Jaquish Jaquish: Yes. They will outperform weights every time.

Brandon Carter: Connor, how do you feel about that? As a man who’s lifting weights for a decade and now you’re 100 percent x bar, what’s been your experience?

Connor Murphy: X3 bar. It’s probably too early still to tell for me, but I always like to question the modern fitness knowledge. People are wrong all the freaking time. So the modern bodybuilding community could very well be wrong. There’s science behind it too. Also, one of the scientific aspects I liked was the increase in the systematic androgen release via variable resistance training rather than weightlifting. So yeah, there’s been studies and stuff on this, right?

Dr. John Jaquish Jaquish: Many. In fact I finished… A guy that I worked with, Henry Alkire and myself, we wrote a book together and it covers this whole thing and some nutrition stuff. It’ll be a 300 page book with 250 scientific references. There’s a lot of science, especially in the nuances of triggering growth via looking at the known growth factors. By the way, I believe there still are quite a few unknown growth factors between myostatin, downregulation, growth hormone, testosterone.

The biggest influencer on testosterone for an exercising individual is how heavy you go. That’s why there’s no getting away from heavy. So a lot of guys, they can really feel their shoulders when they bench press. So they just decide, ‘I’m just going to rep it out.’ So I’m just going to do tons of reps. And they’re going to use standard weights where they’re really the only engaging at the bottom. And they’re doing very little at the top because there’s just not a lot of engagement.

And coincidentally, a lot of guys who lift think electromyography studies are everything. That just means activation. That doesn’t mean growth. Nothing electromyography [inaudible] down the street, but you don’t see cyclists with giant forearms. So activation is not it. That’s one example that we use in it. And of course, I’m not going to leave it with some verbal statement, I’m going to find clinical reference. Elecromyography and growth are not associated at all. Sometimes correlated, not associated. There’s no causation relationship.

Brandon Carter: Okay. Before I started talking to you, I’m thinking, the guys like Connor who can’t get in the gym, so this is an alternative something that’ll hold me over. But you’re saying it’s superior. That’s basically what I’m saying. This is superior-

Dr. John Jaquish Jaquish: I’ll never lift a weight again. I am a lean 240. I’ll never screw around with weights again. It’s a risk of joint damage and you don’t stimulate. It’s just a waste of time.

Brandon Carter: So Connor, how do you feel? Do you feel like you feel a different kind of stimulation with the X3 bar?

Connor Murphy: I mean, yeah. It’s definitely a different workout. And hat’s what I was planning on doing from the start. I read all the science and stuff and I was like, this could be better. I’m going to try it out. And basically at the end of quarantine, if I see positive results, I’m just going to use it full time. There’s no reason to go to a gym.

Brandon Carter: Crazy. That is intense. I’m trying to buy one right now as we speak and it’s sold out, man.

Dr. John Jaquish Jaquish: We’re out of stock for a couple weeks. Sorry. But get on the list though.

Connor Murphy: Hell yeah. I think as of right now, if I had the opportunity to go back to the gym, I wouldn’t go. Because for some reason it’s more fun for me. And I do think, if anything, there are positive results. I think the one thing, if I’ve noticed anything, I do think my testosterone levels are a little higher now. I haven’t gotten tested or anything like that, but I do feel better-

Brandon Carter: At the nighttime. I know what you mean, I know how you measuring it.

Dr. John Jaquish Jaquish: There was some testing.

Connor Murphy: Yeah. My sex drive is higher. Also, my sex drive is higher and I feel leaner. I’ve actually been eating. If anything, I’ve been eating more and I’ve been less active during this whole quarantine. And I feel my midsection is leaner. You know what I mean?

Brandon Carter: Yo, John, I know you got one laying around, man. Let me just get it. Help me out. I’m in New York, man. I’ll pay-

Dr. John Jaquish Jaquish: I’ll look around, I’ll see if we have a demo unit we use to-

Brandon Carter: Yeah man, that’d be great.

Dr. John Jaquish Jaquish: The warehouse has got nothing. What ended up happening is that the quarantine happened. We did millions of sales a day, and it was just day, after day, after day. And I was like, we can’t make them this fast. We’re not tooled up to do this. So I knew we were going to hit the wall at some point.

Brandon Carter: Here’s the thing, guys. I don’t want y’all to think this is a commercial. If y’all look back at the old exercise, Connor has been talking about this bar for a long time, but I just didn’t want him to say it until we can make it a commercial. Because I brought Connor his business, man. But he really fucks with it. He’s serious. Everything he’s saying is true. John, you should see how many fucking companies come to us, trying to get us to promote stuff or trying to get me to promote stuff or Connor.

Dr. John Jaquish Jaquish: They come to me too. I get really weird stuff like wristwatches. [crosstalk] How is that synergistic?

Brandon Carter: I went after this one because Connor, once he mentioned it, I was like let me see if we can make this happen. And then just so happens, one of my mentors linked you and I together on Instagram DM, ‘Let’s make this happen.’ It was serendipitous. But how are you going to field demand? If that’s possible. I’m just thinking-

Dr. John Jaquish: We’re scaling up. We have multiple factory buildings. We’re building out the business.

Brandon Carter: So this might be a good chance for you to actually take market share. Because everybody’s going to try this and then-

Dr. John Jaquish: We’re the fastest growing brand in fitness, by far.

Brandon Carter: And think about this. If guys like Connor are using it, let’s say let’s use him as a test, and saying they may not go back just like you. This could be the best thing to ever happen to your business.

Dr. John Jaquish: Somebody uses it right, they don’t go back. So right now I’ve got 10 NFL players to say to that.

Connor Murphy: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. And I made sure when they got it, they send an email, ‘Hey I’m an NFL player, I bought your product. Just want to let you know, maybe we could do some promo.’ We actually don’t pay our promotion people at all. What I will do for you is I’ll give you some help. We’ll do some Skype calls and I’ll make sure that you’re getting the absolute maximum. Because your strength coach doesn’t know about it. Now the Miami Heat, they only use X3.

Connor Murphy: Really?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. They’re a hundred percent, think tall guys. Long lever arms. You got a really long humorous bone, your risk of injury is huge.

Brandon Carter: Also, me and Connor are over six feet. We’re not NBA tall, but that’s pretty tall. We are more at risk, you’re saying?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Yeah. Taller guys is longer lever arms, longer fulcrums within the body. And that’s why a lot of joint injury. You ever see a 70 year old guy that’s 6'4’? And he’s crushed, kind of hunched over like, ‘Oh, everything hurts.’ Yeah. Because they train hard just like everybody else. I’m forgetting the NBA player that… I see him all the time.

Brandon Carter: Michael Jordan. Magic Johnson. I don’t know, I’m just guessing.

Dr. John Jaquish: He’s a white dude, so that’s should narrow it down. Yeah. Not a lot of [crosstalk 00:21:27].

Brandon Carter: What?

Dr. John Jaquish: Bill Walton is just a crushed man. And he says, ‘I train like everybody else who wasn’t as tall as me.’ And I’m like, yeah, I study biomechanics. That will do some damage to joints.

Brandon Carter: So my dumb ass, I built a squat rack in my apartment. I was doing this just for YouTube videos and content. Cool, I got the squat rack. And I looked at the X3 bar, but I was like, I already got the squat rack. I’m good. But then Connor got it, he was speaking so highly of it. I really wish I had it. But you’re saying that you can do everything. There’s nothing I can’t do with the X3 bar that-

Dr. John Jaquish: There’s guys who have been doing regular lifting for over 20 years. Let’s say they put on a couple of pounds of muscle on that, but not any time recently. There are guys who put on 20 pounds of mass in six months.

Brandon Carter: You got to get me one of these things, man.

Dr. John Jaquish: Exactly.

Brandon Carter: You got to give me your thing. I’ve been looking for 20 years.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s built with… There you go. You fit right into that category. You would look like one of the X-Men with 20 pounds more mass on you, because you’re already-

Brandon Carter: Right now I’m a Wolverine look. But you’re talking about I’d look like Beast, is what you’re telling me. Like a stronger X-Men, that’s what he meant guys. Like the strongest X-Men. I’m already there.

Connor Murphy: Brandon, one thing that you’ll really like, we were talking about the injury prevention aspect of it. That’s that’s one thing that drew me to it as well. So basically, tell me if I’m understanding this correctly, but when your joint is the most vulnerable, that’s when there’s the least resistance. Right? And then when your joints are strongest, that’s when there’s the most resistance. And so you’re way less likely to get injured. That’s when you get injured on a bench press, when there’s so much weight at the bottom. And that’s the cool thing about the X3 bar. Yeah. So Brandon, you’ll like that. Because I know Brandon’s a stickler for form. He really doesn’t want to get injured.

Brandon Carter: I’m so scared of injury. If you ever see me lift weights, it’s exquisite. It’s a work of art. If Picasso lifted weights, he’d lift weights like me. But it’s really just because I don’t want to get injured.

Dr. John Jaquish: [crosstalk] It was a disaster.

Brandon Carter: Michelangelo. You were right, you caught me, man.

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s probably a better artist.

Brandon Carter: You’re a scientist, man. Nothing gets passed this guy. I’m really excited to get my hands on one of these things. Ever since Connor was talking about it, they’ve been sold out. Which makes a lot of sense right now.

Dr. John Jaquish: Also, you can do a workout and do photos. You do a workout outside, anywhere. I have one in the trunk of my Lamborghini. I go-

Brandon Carter: Yo, flex on them, man. Flex on them, John. I got one in the Lamborghini, one in the Bentley, one in the Rolls. Everywhere I go.

Dr. John Jaquish: You sound like a rapper right there.

Brandon Carter: Flex on them, let’s go.

Dr. John Jaquish: Maybe I need to get paid.

Brandon Carter: Yeah you do. With an emblem on it.

Connor Murphy: Well, yeah. I feel you. That’s one of the reasons I got it. I-

Dr. John Jaquish: I’m going to write that down, that’s a great idea.

Brandon Carter: Yeah man, flex on them. Let them know.

Connor Murphy: I love it. Because that’s one of the reasons I got it. It fits in my suitcase easily. I’m going to be-

Dr. John Jaquish: Travel with it.

Connor Murphy: Yeah. And I travel a lot. And so that’s what I’m going to do when I travel instead of… It’s stressful going into a new place and having to find a gym. And then also you have to pay for it and stuff. It’s going to be dope-

Dr. John Jaquish: Also in foreign countries, sometimes they don’t have a gym.

Connor Murphy: Right.

Brandon Carter: Don’t go to those weird countries, man. If your country doesn’t have a gym, I probably won’t go.

Dr. John Jaquish: There’s a luxury of the first world. You can go to a lot of third world countries and you just say ‘gym’ and they’ve never heard of that.

Brandon Carter: So John, there’s a guy listening who’s thinking, ‘Man, I’ll just do body weight. I’ll just do calisthenics. What would you say to that guy as opposed to getting the X3?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. I mean, that’s better than nothing. Certainly better than eating potato chips and being depressed. But like I said, if you want to actually grow muscle… I did see the calisthenics guys, they watch the nutrition or they really calorie restrict. They drop a bunch of body weight and they look like just skinny guys.

Brandon Carter: Yeah, they look Like-

Dr. John Jaquish: I don’t think anybody would really go for…

Brandon Carter: Dorks.

Dr. John Jaquish: You’re not going to look like Brad Pitt from Fight Club. He’s still muscular compared to what you’re going to look like if you just do calisthenics.

Brandon Carter: Because you can’t manipulate the variables as much.

Dr. John Jaquish: I say it all the time, you can’t get away from heavy. You got to go really heavy and X3 is the way to go heavier with more repetitions. We didn’t even talk about diminishing rate. Let’s say when I do jazz press, I’m holding 550 pounds here, 300 pounds here, and 100 pounds here and that’s a rep. And you go real slow, two seconds or three seconds up and down-

Brandon Carter: The eccentric and the posit, you go two seconds both ways?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Both ways, both directions, two or three seconds. Because you also want to get as much stabilization firing. I actually wrote this study with Henry Alkire that talks about what it takes to trigger the most activation of stabilization muscles, which up regulates growth hormone. That influences the recoverability, skin health, tendon ligament reinforcement. So you want those things. So you want the most stabilization and you also want to keep constant tension because that influences hypoxia.

So you don’t want to let blood get in or out of a muscle because when cardiovascular system sees a deficit in musculature, it down-regulates myostat. I have a section of the book on that. So there’s a lot of evidence there. Because that’s seems like a major cardiac treatment. But nobody really understood the bodybuilders who have been doing constant tension. They’ve been doing it for a long time. But the problem with constant tension in static weight, you’re just on a regular bench press. As soon as you get it to the top, the doors open because you’re almost at rest. Even before you’re locked out, even when you’re just right here. So you’re hardly contracting the muscle at all. You’re contracting just a small amount of that muscular tissue.

Brandon Carter: So the blood comes in? When you get contraction, the blood allows to come in and is what you’re saying-

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. It doesn’t keep the blood constantly pulled. That’s what you want.

Brandon Carter: And that’s why blood flow restriction bands are-

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, your body does it anyway with constant tension training. But it doesn’t work well unless you use variable resistance. If you’re using just your regular way, even right here is letting a ton in and out. So you’re losing variable resistance. Because I’m holding 540 pounds here, that muscle is screaming in contraction. It’s not letting anything in or out. So I get a greater hypoxic effect.

Brandon Carter: You do both the positive and the negative part of the exercise two seconds each. And that’s just for most of our

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Brandon Carter: … minutes each. Two seconds each. That’s most for hypertrophy or just any [inaudible] that you believe-

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, that’s not going to influence hypertrophy levels.

Brandon Carter: Oh.

Dr. John Jaquish: Hypoxia is going to be the most maximum, Mycostatin is going to go low, so my body’s going to remove a limiter off of growth. Then, as I go to fatigue, so I’m doing repetitions, and then once I can’t get here anymore, now I’m doing one half repetitions.

Brandon Carter: Oh. Right, because the weight goes down. So you just like a dropset? It’s like a dropset?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yes, because you don’t pause. Because as soon as you pause, you let the blood go, and so you just lost hypoxia. So it’s like a dropset, but in like any adaptation in nature, the more intense the stimulus, the greater the adaptation, the greater the change in the body.

Brandon Carter: Yeah, and if you send me one of those demos, you’re a man of your word, you’re someone of integrity. Right. And six months from now, you say I can gain 20 pounds of muscle even at the ripe age of 37?

Dr. John Jaquish: I did and I was over 40.

Brandon Carter: Whoa.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, at this point I put on over 60 pounds of muscle.

Brandon Carter: In what time frame?

Dr. John Jaquish: [crosstalk] 40. I Didn’t look like this when I was in my thirties at all. You wouldn’t recognize me. Like, ‘What the hell happened?’ I’m a completely different human. That was in a little over three years.

Brandon Carter: So you’re saying, it’s because of all the science you spitting out here, because that’s why you can get some different results than weights. Because in the weight lifting context, I’d be like, ‘Yeah, there’s no way you can do that without some anabolic hormones or something.’`

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Brandon Carter: You’re saying, no, this is not weight lifting. It’s not like traditional free weight lifting, this is something different. That’s more it.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right, I would also say, you need to be getting a gram per pound of body weight in protein also.

Brandon Carter: Yeah, we do that shit anyway, right Connor?

Connor Murphy: Hell yeah, dude.

Brandon Carter: You know them vibes.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Yeah. I actually developed an essential amino acid product made with bacteria. It’s very efficient, very digestible, best protein that’s out there. And the reason I did was because a lot of protein companies were like, ‘Hey, just do like an affiliate deal with us so you can promote our protein.’ And I started looking at the proteins that were out there. I pretty much eat an all meat diet, between two and three pounds a day.

Brandon Carter: You’re a carnivore? I’m Keto. I’m all keto. I didn’t know that. You know what I’m saying? I’m like in between keto and carnivore all the time.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Brandon Carter: Man, we like brothers.

Dr. John Jaquish: It will work. It works so well. And also keep in mind, the two greatest drivers of a long life are high levels of strength and low levels of the body fat. Those are two things that have been seen in nutrition, epidemiology, and just lifestyle research that have never been argued with. So, whether, there are all kinds of bias research, vegetables are the greatest thing or you don’t really need vegetables, meats better kind of saying that they’re all conflicting whereas, those two things I just mentioned no one’s putting out conflicting research on those two things.

So, all you have to really ask yourself is what’s the best diet to be on? Well, the one that’s going to make you stronger and leaner. That’s the one. There’s only two things that drive a long life. What’s the diet that’s going to give you those two things? It’s not veganism, not even close.

Brandon Carter: Yo man fuck vegans. Except for my man, Corinne, you cool.

Dr. John Jaquish: I think history will record veganism as being very similar to anorexia and bulimia, it’s just going to be an eating disorder. [inaudible] the assumption.

Brandon Carter: I like where this is going. I like where this is going. If you’re one of my meat and vegan fans, both of you. Hey, this is not me, man, you understand?

Dr. John Jaquish: And you know the fact that they get upset by somebody saying that it shows the psychological problems that they have. Because if somebody said meat’s not good for you, what would the three of us do? We’re like sitting at a table and we just ordered some Porter houses. And somebody’s like, meat’s bad for you. We’d be like, see you later. [crosstalk]

That they are offended on a religious level. That somebody says they might think about eating something other than what they’re eating, just shows the insane.

Brandon Carter: Come on man. So using the 3X Bar, you put on 60 pounds of muscle after 40 with a carnivore diet basically?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yep.

Brandon Carter: You build 60 pounds of muscle without carbohydrates?

Dr. John Jaquish: Correct.

Brandon Carter: Come on man, I fucking love this guy, man. I too, hate carbohydrates and vegans. I mean carbohydrates.

Dr. John Jaquish: When you compile the research carbohydrates no longer fit the definition of a macro nutrient. No. Macro nutrients have to be essential for life.

Brandon Carter: They got to be essential, they not essential. I look at them like recreation like, ‘Oh, you want to eat it for fun? It’s cool.’ It’s like Disney world, but you don’t have to do this shit every day.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. It’s like flavor. It’s like, if there’s some chimichurri sauce on my 49 ounce porter house, I’m not going to like cry or scrape it off. I’ll be like, all right, the chef knows that he’s doing awesome with this. There’s a little bit of oxalate in that that could create a tiny of inflammation. But I’m pretty low inflammation everyday anyway so?

Brandon Carter: [inaudible] I didn’t even know you were like, you were still old, man. I thought you were like closer to my age.

I mean, I thought you were like in your thirties, what I’m saying? I thought, I thought you were in your thirties. You’re in your forties. Right? I gave you a compliment in the stupidest way. Soon as it came out of my mouth I was like, ‘What’s wrong with me? Why am I like this? I’m somebody’s dad.’ How’s that going to work out for this kid?

Dr. John Jaquish: Oh, it’s all right. I got chewed out by my girlfriend that there was a little gray area when she was like, ‘How old are you?’ Well, yeah you know-

Brandon Carter: How old do you want me to be, baby? How old do you want me to be?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Brandon Carter: You know what I’m saying? How old is too?

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, it was like, I was found in a basket floating down the river to [Isabelle 00:36:51].

Brandon Carter: Yo, listen, listen lady, I’m a scientist and I got a Lamborghini with X3 Bar and the trunk is in the front. That’s all you need to know about this.

Connor Murphy: Also, one thing we have to what I said, one thing we haven’t talked about. So ,the actual workout in and of itself is a lot different in terms of like the amount of reps and sets that you do compared to like a normal bodybuilding workout, isn’t it? So, yeah, how does that work?

Dr. John Jaquish: So because of the diminishing range that we use, you exhaust into the weaker range and then you use your last rep. You basically just can’t move anymore. That is such a deep level of exhaustion. You just can’t handle the second set. So every movement and there’s eight movements and you only do one with one optional. You only do one step or exercise. So, you’re done in 10 or 15 minutes.

Brandon Carter: Oh, you do one set per exercise?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. You can’t really do more than that.

Brandon Carter: Really.so this is-

Dr. John Jaquish: Bad mistake.

Brandon Carter: That similar to that… Who used to train like that? Whose the body builder that used to train like all the time?

Dr. John Jaquish: Arthur Jones, Mike Mentzer-

Brandon Carter: Mike Mentzer, yeah. That Mike Mentzer, that high intensity training.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Yeah. I, I just discovered him through Arthur Jones. He’s the inventor of Nautilus. So, there’s a lot of scientific books that use Mike Mentzer as like an example and it was funny because they were like, ‘Oh, this is what happens when you train with one set.’ And they show a picture of Mentzer, like basically should have won the Olympia one year against Arnold. And you know, now that we know what we know, that’s just such a ridiculous quote. It’s like, ‘Yeah, he was doing some other stuff.’

Brandon Carter: Yeah, he was… You know what he looks, I would imagine there were some different variables at play.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Connor Murphy: That’s interesting, man. That’s the one thing that I haven’t tried yet. I can’t quite get my mind around just doing one set, but I guess I also didn’t realize that-

Dr. John Jaquish: Or you’ll grow faster if you start doing one, one set.

Connor Murphy: Yeah. I’m going to try it. I’m going to try it. I didn’t realize that you’re supposed to go to full range of motion and then do more kind of like a dropset. So, I’m definitely going to try it and see what’s up. Because it’s just-

Dr. John Jaquish: [crosstalk] an infographic that you can put in the show notes. Okay. That explains like different zones of the set and how will you go to fatigue and diminishing range? So zone A, zone B, zone C.

Connor Murphy: So it’s three different ranges for one set?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Connor Murphy: Interesting. Okay. So it’s okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. I mean, you basically use the other two ranges when you can’t get to the heavy one anymore.

Connor Murphy: Right? Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: The last range, when you can’t get to the other two-

Brandon Carter: It’s almost like a triple drop set and I love drop sets and those would follow me over the last decade. I love drop sets.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. See, once you do that, you’re just crushed. You can’t do anything.

Connor Murphy: So how many total?

Dr. John Jaquish: It also like when I do legs and like I’m doing legs this afternoon, so much blood goes into your legs. I’m like on my knees, on the floor gasping for air for a least two minutes.

Brandon Carter: Really?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Like it’s like a leg workout. You have never had, deadlifts are the same?

Brandon Carter: Really. What’s your deadlift experience with these?

Connor Murphy: So, I guess, I don’t know if I’ve done deadlifts. Do you do like deadlifts, deadlifts, mine. I’ve been doing like rack pulls. I call them, I guess the range of motion I’ve been using the orange bar to do deadlifts, huh?

Dr. John Jaquish: Orange band?

Connor Murphy: Yeah, my band, the orange band. And can you, can you do deadlift, deadlifts? Because like the range of motion only goes down to like my, my knees, I guess it doesn’t go down further than that. Or else there’s no resistance-

Dr. John Jaquish: If you’re picking up a bar that had a plate, whether it was a plastic CrossFit plate or like a regular metal plate it’s still going to have that much space holding the bar offing around.

Connor Murphy: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: So almost the same spot you’d be grabbing.

Connor Murphy: Okay. I got you.

Dr. John Jaquish: Maybe a little higher.

Connor Murphy: Yeah, it’s a little higher, but I mean still I’m getting a good workout from it for sure.

I guess the one thing I’ve been doing, I guess so, well, how many reps do you recommend? So I’ve been having the X3 Bar and doing the reps and sets just kind of like a normal bodybuilding routine. I don’t know that you say that we should just do like one set. I’ve been doing three sets and I’ve been going like eight to 12 reps, I guess I’m definitely going to try your way though.

Dr. John Jaquish: Fifteen reps, because we’re training so heavy and we want to keep it relatively safe.

Connor Murphy: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: Also remember because we’re changing the resistance and in getting the range of motion, when it gets heavy, you would never be under a load like that. So, don’t judge it like it’s a regular weight. Lifting sets, I tell people to go 15 to 40 reps while you’re using a heavier way with more repetitions because of the variance will allow that.

Connor Murphy: Interesting.

Dr. John Jaquish: And then do the diminishing range reps after that 15 to 40.

Brandon Carter: Wow, after that I thought I’ll be in my mind. Oh, so we’re talking. Yeah.

Connor Murphy: So you made it 10 more.

Brandon Carter: Yo. So we’re talking about it.

Dr. John Jaquish: Variable tension, way more power. Because still like, I mean, when I get the benefit at the top of that chest prize of benching 540 pounds, but I don’t actually have to bench 540 pounds and then I do that for over 20 repetitions.

Connor Murphy: So, interesting. So I’ve known, I’ve heard that there’s some studies that say that like the optimal time under tension is around like 30 seconds. But I guess you’re saying that it’s different with the X3 Bar because of the variable in the tension?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Because you just in any standard weight set, you’re basically only training the weaker range of motion because that’s where you’re having the most engagement and where you’re going to have any of the fatigue whatsoever. It doesn’t mean you’re never going to be able to train home. So different parts of the muscle can come and play different sessions, but it’s just a very slow way to grow and also a dangerous way to grow.

Its chances of injury are very high, especially if you get strong. So, if you’re doing really heavy bench presses, you won’t know many people are doing really heavy bench presses for [inaudible] so that’s, a short move. It’s funny if, you listen to the Bell brothers talk about all their injuries, they have more stories about their injuries than they do about hitting amazing hits. And these guys were friends of mine, especially [Chris] it’s sort of like that’s the price you have to pay for being strong. And I’m like, ‘No, it’s not.’ You don’t ever have to deal with any of that crap. I feel no joints in my body with any pain at all.

Brandon Carter: Really see I have some-

Dr. John Jaquish: When you weigh 240 pounds, that’s unheard of. And when I train with these NFL guys, they look at, how strong I look and they’re like, ‘Oh yeah.’ They’re telling me about injuries. And they’re like, ‘Tell me about your injuries?’ Because sometimes it’s like a thing, guys who start out training start to talk about like, well, this joint is screwed up and this joint secured up and I’m like, ‘No, I feel like I did when I was eight.’

Brandon Carter: See, I’ve been deliberately not lifting as heavy, like not going as heavy as I can go because I’m getting older and things are different and keeping my form in check and you know, but you’re saying, this is a way around that where I can actually start going heavy without-

Dr. John Jaquish: You will go heavier than you’ve ever gone in your life with a lot more repetitions, with a lot less exercise time, and you’ll see better results.

Brandon Carter: Okay. So, if I can break my hand doing with the bar, if I’m like, let’s say I’m squatting, the things are under my feet can mess my feet up, my ankles?

Dr. John Jaquish: You can lose your balance. Yeah. I mean, there’s still things like here’s something that I think maybe 10 people have done out of 40,000 customers is there’ll be dead lifting and they let go of the bar? But you also know people who do like hammer curls and let go of the bar and drop dumbbell on their foot.

Connor Murphy: So, this is the normal risk of injury to the normal. It’s not normal, but it’s like that.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s actually, it’s actually quite a bit better with, with x-ray because there’s velocity without the weight. So, it’s one thing to be hit by something that’s moving fast, that weighs seven pounds, it weighs seven pounds. So, this comes out at you really quick, like let’s say it rolls off your hands and hits you right in the chest. It is like seven pounds hitting you in the chest. And yet you may have it loaded with 540 pounds.

Connor Murphy: I got you.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s not like dropping 540 pounds and yourself.

Connor Murphy: Got you.

Dr. John Jaquish: But still I tell people, this is heavy lifting. Don’t watch, like sometimes somebody will post, some fan will post a video on the user’s group. There’s a really big users group they like… They’ll be doing set and they’ll let go of the bar and it’ll bounce off their chest and yeah, that hurts, but you also didn’t die because you would have, if that had been a weighted bar. You could have actually killed yourself. And then I also say like, don’t watch TV while you’re doing heavy lifting. That seem obvious, but I don’t have a virtual dunce cap. I can put on people.

Brandon Carter: Yeah. No, no, no, no. Once you start dealing [inaudible 00:47:41] with people, pay attention.

Dr. John Jaquish: Or just don’t pay attention I mean, you can see the same thing when people are texting while driving, like they’re swerving all over the road and you’re like, ‘Man, you’re going to drop into a ditch.’

Brandon Carter: Yeah man, you can’t drive a Lambo with X3 bar in the front while you’re texting, you got to keep that thing is moving fast. You got to keep your head on the road, what kind we looking at? The Huracan? Connor Murphy: What is this a Huracan? You look like a Huracan guy. That’s on you.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, I keep a Lambo in the driveway.

Brandon Carter: Yo, this is extraordinary. Because here I honestly, I was just thinking, ‘Oh, this might be a good accessory.’ I’ve learned a lot today, man. Connor says he might not go back. So listen, you guys, man. So, you’ve made the Miami Heat’s not going back-

Dr. John Jaquish: And NFL players, a couple of professional swimmers that they’re head of the Olympics and the Paralympics. Let’s see. And there’s a couple of bodybuilders in there.

Brandon Carter: Really?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Coach Trevor from Enhanced Athlete. He’s pretty famous guy talks a lot about the science of Sarms.

Brandon Carter: Oh yeah. I’m familiar. I think I met him at an Olympia once I think.

Dr. John Jaquish: Okay.

Brandon Carter: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: And he’s not lifting at all, he’s just using X3 Bar.

Brandon Carter: really?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. And it’s really hard to shift a bodybuilder’s mindset because in their mind it’s like everybody who’s ever been successful bodybuilding, did it with weights. And so now, they’re not like vegans they don’t have like a religious devotion to weights necessarily, but man, they don’t want to do something different than what their heroes doing. That is just really hard for them to get their head around.

Brandon Carter: You think I can get that free of charge?

Dr. John Jaquish: 1992, Mr. USA same as [Gadgil Micou 00:00:49:48]. And so he’s 100% expert and he’s making a comeback this year and plans on winning the masters. And he also just, he just won the California overall. So he’s in his late fifties, I think he’s 57 and he just won that contest. Pretty cool.

Brandon Carter: Yeah, that’s amazing.

Dr. John Jaquish: Because he’s like once I found out I could train without damaging my joints, he says people talk about, ‘Oh, well, my age keeps me from training.’ ‘No, you’re [inaudible] keep you from training.’

Brandon Carter: Okay. So check this out, I’m totally what you mean by age I hurt something in my tendon in my left arm. It was like a tendon, I was doing some stupid shit, fucking around. And it’s always bothered me for years and it’s made me like, I’m hesitant to like go real heavy on curls, right? So, I’m going to go high wrench. But I also want also 19 inch arms, man. I’m going to get them once you send me that X3 that you said you okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. And you’ll notice when your arm is down that’s where the joint is at risk. But you know, when you’re almost at full contraction-

Connor Murphy: And that’s when it’s its heaviest and it’s when it’s not at risk.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s in the groove, it’s moving there, it’s fine.

Connor Murphy: That makes total sense because that’s where I feel like it hurts, right?

Dr. John Jaquish: So, the down push?

Connor Murphy: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, when are you knees are in a squat when you’re like parallel to the floor? Not when you’re almost at the top.

Brandon Carter: So squat, are at work. Like I can do all the same exercise. I’ll do just a couple with like a guide or something or some sort of booklet.

Dr. John Jaquish: There’s a video. I' ll give it to you guys for the show notes. There’s a one minute video for every exercise and just follow those. It’ll give you some pretty good pointers, like don’t lockout.

Brandon Carter: Don’t lockout.

Connor Murphy: At the top of the squat do you lockout any exercises?

Dr. John Jaquish: The exercises were like the end of the exercise is not really a lockout, like a tricep press. Or you can squeeze as hard as you can in a calf raise because there’s not really a lock. You just squeeze and you just get a really good contraction.

Brandon Carter: Does it come with this floorboard thing?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, of course.

Brandon Carter: Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Oh, got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Okay. All right.

Connor Murphy: Yeah. The only thing, the orange band, you got to get separate, but I don’t. Yeah. Yeah. The orange man, you got to get separate the orange ones. The strongest. I’ll use that for a couple of-

Brandon Carter: You put on two of those orange bands, what you telling me now?

Connor Murphy: I can, I can barely do one for like a couple of exercises. If I was doing 15 to 40 reps, I probably couldn’t use the orange band for any exercise. Maybe dead lifts, but that’s about it.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. I can only use it for deadlifts and my chest.

Connor Murphy: Right? Yeah. I’ve been using it for chest press, but I can only get around 10.

Brandon Carter: Connor, when you deadlift, is it so heavy you have to use straps?

Connor Murphy: No, it’s not that heavy. I haven’t had to use straps, but it gets heavy. In fact, you can make it really heavy too. So, I guess for deadlifts, at least I would like to be a little heavier now again, I don’t do 15 to 40 reps. So, what I’ve been doing, I’ve only been doing eight to 10.

Dr. John Jaquish: Like you’re going to want to drop down a band and especially to speed because most people are going for two or three seconds.

Connor Murphy: Right? Yeah. I’m not going two or three seconds.

Brandon Carter: Two or three seconds on a deadlift. That sounds like torture.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s awesome. You feel everything is lit up. You can feel muscles in your body that you’ve only seen on anatomy charts. All of a sudden you’ll be like, ‘Oh, there’s that thing.’

Connor Murphy: Yeah. Yeah. That’s awesome. So yeah, I got to switch it up and try it. As a bodybuilder it’s just tough. It’s tough to fully commit because you’re so used to working out a certain way, your whole life. So, I’ve kind of been doing a bodybuilding workout on the X3 Bar, but yeah, I’m definitely going to try it, man. So, it’s the two things I have to change or those really slow reps and then the drop set type things and yeah, we’ll see, I’ll try it today. It’s chest today. So I’m excited to try it.

Brandon Carter: That this is exciting, man. All right. So, Connor and I are both going to go… I’m going to go all X3 to and there’s 14. It was like, I’ll just use it we’ll be like some case studies. You know what I’m saying?

Connor Murphy: You got all this research and when you’ve been lifting for so long, you probably, for me, it’s just exciting to do something new. You know, just try something new.

Brandon Carter: But it’s like if what you say is true, if it’s half as good, if I gain 15 pounds… What did you say, you said 60 pounds and okay you said-

Dr. John Jaquish: 60 Pounds a little over three years. So my real life test is what can I do in like the first year? And I was 30 pounds and then the second year was 15 and that makes it 45 in two years. And then I said over three, I meant over two.

So, now that I’m on the third year, I’m like halfway through the third year. In the first part of the third a year I really didn’t gain anything. I was really kind of focused on fasting and getting a little bit leaner. And then, and then I got the diet a little more dialed in. I basically do a 48 hour fast every other day, you know?

Brandon Carter: Oh, you do that? That [crosstalk 00:55:43].

Dr. John Jaquish: Or I’ll do three days in one week. Kind of depends on how like meetings are going or coronavirus [inaudible] But I have a lot of dinner meetings on weekends. So, if the 48 hour thing doesn’t work so, for them, I tend to just kind of [inaudible] in the middle of week. I end up yeah-

Brandon Carter: Connor and I both do like it was like a year or two ago Connor was like, ‘Are you cutting right now? You look leans’ He said ‘I don’t cut no more. I just do three days whenever I feel that I’m getting fat I just do three days.’

And I started doing it too. Like, I don’t really cut much either, I just fast.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s funny that the fasting research says that fasting doesn’t work. The fasting rule eight, 600 calories a day.

Brandon Carter: Really?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Yeah. They intentionally screwed up that study and I don’t know why it’s like, why does anyone care? I mean maybe Nabisco. I don’t know. I had never read the conflicts of Anderson study. Yeah. It was NYU eating cookies and Oreos and shit all day long. So yeah. I really think that somebody intentionally tried to screw that up, but you can read right in the methods section, the fastening group didn’t fast at all. [inaudible 00:27:07] calorie restriction.

Brandon Carter: So as a scientist, would you say that… I’m under the belief that like you can actually, you’ll preserve more muscle fasting during an extended fast than you will actually [inaudible 00:57:23] the resource for a long period of time.

Dr. John Jaquish: I’m going to blow your mind.

Brandon Carter: What’s that?

Dr. John Jaquish: Not only do you not lose muscle during fast, unless you cheat on your fast and it becomes caloric restriction and then you definitely lose muscle because you’re trying a new homeostasis, which means you’re not going to get much food. So what does it start to do? Regulates cortisol starts dismantling muscle. So, you don’t have that engine running all the time. I will prove in 90 days when my book comes out, that you can use fasting to give the biggest anabolic acceleration you’ve ever seen. The end of the fast, you are incredibly anabolic. And there is proof in research by researchers that had no idea what they were looking at. But I’m explaining what they saw… See the guys who do this fasting research, where are they from? They’re from endocrinology.

So, they’re looking at your hormones because they’re trying to see hormone changes will dictate a longer-term fat loss. And some of them are looking at people who have been putting on a lot of excess body fat. Sometimes they’re from cardiology because chronic heart failure, all kinds of challenges with obesity and arterial health, arterial stiffness come from an obese lifestyle. So, these are the people who are doing all the research. So as far as anabolic effects, like they don’t even know what to look for. So, I was talking to Henry and we were going back and forth, and I said, ‘Do me a favor. And like, every time I end one of these fasts, I put on like a pound of muscle.’ Now, I’m also using the X3. So, I’m giving so absolute superior stimulated me.

Brandon Carter: You mean, after the fast, how long would it take you?

Dr. John Jaquish: A couple days after the fastest step on the scale and my refat weight is it’s like a pound higher [inaudible] is through the roof.

Brandon Carter: And then you don’t keto so, it’s not keto carnivas so, it couldn’t be all glycogen. Right?

Dr. John Jaquish: Correct.

Brandon Carter: Right. Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, I’m sitting here going ‘Am I?’ Now, it’s not fair because X3 is such an important variable in stimulating the growth. So it’s like, but this isn’t just.

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Dr. John Jaquish: … while stimulating the growth, but this isn’t just necessarily… This is X Three plus something else. Because, basically in the third year I’ve now put on almost 20 pounds of muscle. Which is more than I put on my second year with X Three, and just keto every day. With some fasting in there, carnivore. And some fasting in there and I was happy putting on 15 pounds in a year, being already muscular. And, then I’m, ‘There’s something here.’ And so, I asked her something very specific. The problem when you ask for something very specific found in clinical or academic literature, you’re not going to find it. You may find something you could possibly infer maybe with some evidence, but not exactly what you want.

And so, I said, ‘Read through all the fasting research, and just tell me if there’s some group of people that’s had some major up-regulation in non-fatty body mass.’ And so, he called me six hours later, and he’s, ‘I can’t believe it. I found exactly what you described.’ Because the researchers didn’t know what to make. Or they’re looking at the fasting group, and they’re, ‘This group put on a bunch of muscle. The fasting group and the control group, neither of them exercised at all.

Brandon Carter: How many days of fast do you need for this effect to come?

Dr. John Jaquish: Only one meal every 48 hours. Or, one eating window. So, maybe a lunch dinner, dinner that are closer together kind of thing.

Brandon Carter: So, it’s a 48 hour fast, basically is what you’re saying.

Dr. John Jaquish: Basically.

Brandon Carter: So, okay. When you said you can’t cheat on it? So, you’re talking about just water? Can I have caffeine? Can I have zero calorie beverages? Can I have BCAs? What are the…

Dr. John Jaquish: You cannot have BCAs.

Brandon Carter: Okay. Got it.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. You can do coffee; you can do caffeine… The sweetened drinks. It’s hard to say, because there’s a lot of conflicting research. Stevia and Xylitol. And I think there’s one other flower extract. Some flower that they found some more that gives the sweetness taste…

Brandon Carter: You talking about Monk fruit or something?

Dr. John Jaquish: Monk fruit. That was it.

Brandon Carter: My Instagram [inaudible 01:02:52].

Dr. John Jaquish: [crosstalk 01:02:53]. I don’t know why. But the aspartame and more conventional artificial sweeteners. It’s unclear whether they create an insulin event. I think they might begin an insulin event, and then an insulin event has no glucose to pair with, so it’s irrelevant. But I also know that as soon as Diet Coke came out, the world got fatter. Because it keeps us in a [inaudible 00:03:34].

Brandon Carter: Oh man, I hate hearing that because I love Diet Coke. I’m also nine percent body fat. So, it’s…

Dr. John Jaquish: Well also, and I think it might just have to do with a little bit of self-control If you just tell yourself you’re going to have a Diet Coke, and you’re not going to have a pizza and 10 candy bars, whereas the person who doesn’t have self-control, as soon as they have the Diet Coke, they’re… That taste for something sweet goes up, they can’t control themselves.

Brandon Carter: Got it. I think you’re right. In Diet Coke, or whatever’s in it. The sweetener that they use, it’s actually… It’s addicted, man. I’m legit addicted to the Diet Coke. So, even if I have a cheat day, I’ll just eat anything. I’m talking about this, but I just don’t care. It’s pizza. I look at carbs like recreation, right? It’s, ‘Oh, okay. This is the day; I’m just going to have fun with what I eat.’ Oh, it’s my son’s birthday, whatever. That say I still want a Diet Coke instead of a regular Coke. Is strange. I can drink regular Coke today, no holds barred.

Dr. John Jaquish: Regular Coke, I’m not a fan of the aspartame, but that…

Brandon Carter: Regular Coke’s like candy, man.

Dr. John Jaquish: [crosstalk] of sugar that would be in the regular Coke.

Brandon Carter: What I’m saying is I prefer the Diet Coke at this point. I think it’s some sort of addiction kind of thing. I prefer it. So, I don’t know. I think we’re going off the rails here. Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Maybe aspartame does have some addictive qualities.

Brandon Carter: It does, man. I really do think it does. Because everyone I know… I live in Manhattan and if you go to any of these offices, you’ll see people just straight addicted to any drink.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, they’re drinking one after the other.

Brandon Carter: They love it. There’s an addictive property to it. It has to be. Because I feel it. I don’t want to get too off the rails. Tell me more about how I can make money… I’m sorry. Build muscle, but not eat. Build muscle by not eating food.

Dr. John Jaquish: [crosstalk 00:05:28].

Brandon Carter: Conner, have you had that experience with fasting?

Dr. John Jaquish: Say it again?

Brandon Carter: Because Connor, do you feel like you gain muscle after a fast?

Connor Murphy: It’s nothing crazy noticeable. I noticed that after a fast I’m always feeling great. I can tell my hormone levels are really, really good. Yeah, I don’t know. Because I was actually trying that for a while. There was a point… Well, I was trying the whole one meal a day thing for a while. And I don’t know, for some reason I didn’t feel I was improving at all, and for the one meal a day thing, I felt I was losing gains maybe a little bit. So, I was actually thinking about this though, that eating the every other day thing, we’ve talked about this on the podcast.

I was thinking that I would just go pig out at a freaking Chinese buffet every, other day. But, I’ve never put it to use. But, what’s the deal with… If you’re eating only once every 48 hours, is that enough protein feedings? Can you get in enough… Is all that protein digested? Are you eating enough protein for two days just during that feeding window?

Brandon Carter: Or was this just the study? What’s your protocol exactly?

Dr. John Jaquish: So, yeah. That was the study. And keep in mind these people weren’t training.

Brandon Carter: Got it.

Dr. John Jaquish: It doesn’t apply to us necessarily. It’s almost more amazing that they gained muscle mass without any exercise at all. But, for me, I am not getting two days of protein in the one day of eating. I’m just doing it on one day. But I do take the bacterial fermentation on fasting days.

Brandon Carter: Okay. Why do you do that?

Dr. John Jaquish: [crosstalk 01:07:24], I mean, it’s sort of [inaudible 01:07:26], but it looks like a glass of lemonade. It’s just clear. And a 16-ounce glass is the equivalent of 50 grams of protein. So, I’ll do two of these on a fasting day now. I used to do four of them. [crosstalk 00:07:46].

Brandon Carter: Oh. Why is it different than taking amino acids?

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, it is essential amino acids. But the problem with that industry is most of them are not worth anything. Most of them don’t absorb in the body, because they’re made incorrectly. You got to make them with fermentation. Basically, humans are supposed to eat rotting stuff. Because let’s say we were in a tribe in Manhattan.

Brandon Carter: Okay. We’re in a tribe.

Dr. John Jaquish: And we used to have a lot of indigenous people. In fact, the indigenous people, I think sold it to the City of New York for four dollars. Somebody should probably look that up.

Brandon Carter: That real estate deal. I’ve heard about that deal. Whoever made that deal…

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, there’s been some inflation since then. Yeah. So, basically let’s say we’re all living and playing in one place, and we go and kill some big animal and tank it down and are eating it. For a couple of days, we’re feasting. Maybe one full night, and one full morning we’re just gorging ourselves on this meat. But at the time we get to the last piece of meat, probably rotting a little bit.

No one cared. It didn’t matter. In the, let’s see 1600s, in France, people would actually wait for some of the birds they would eat to start rotting before they would prepare them and serve them.

Brandon Carter: Really?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. And I don’t think they ever knew why, there’s something that made people hungry for that taste. And I believe it’s the bacterial fermentation we’re supposed to be eating from it and stuff. Now, just because of sanitation, you’re not eating rotten stuff. The bacteria all dies off, and it’s processed, and it’s filtered before it’s added to sort of the apple lemonish flavoring. People ask me what flavor it is. And I’m, ‘It’s sort of like Apple juice and gasoline. Not a great taste.

Brandon Carter: But, you know it’s good if it tastes like it works.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. Right. I didn’t try and make everybody a delicious dessert. It’s [inaudible] that. You take it for gains. So, I believe I am gaining on those days as well. In fact, to launch this thing, I did a five day fast. All I had was four doses of Fortagen. Just so people would see this is really different from another amino acid product. So, all I have for five days was 16 calories per day, which [inaudible] fast. It’s actually 50 calories for a fast.

Brandon Carter: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, 16 spread throughout the day. So, four doses morning, two midday, and then one at night. And then I did another DEXA scan. So, I did a starting DEXA scan and a DEXA scan at the end. And I put on almost eight pounds of muscle in five days.

Brandon Carter: Really?

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. Now could there have been a hydration issue there? I’m guessing there was, but, even if you take two pounds off of that air that’s still over five pounds. So, that might be part of the post fast and [inaudible] period of time. Which, I wasn’t even documenting back then, but I believe Fortagen does provide the proper essential amino acids. And when I developed Fortagen, I found it through cancer research. It was actually used as a cancer treatment. I mean, it wasn’t called June. I worked with sort of physicians that were treating people with it. And it was for a body preservation for very sick people, so they’d be able to stay alive to survive chemotherapy. And that’s what it was used for. It was to preserve…

Brandon Carter: [crosstalk] it.

Dr. John Jaquish: Muscle is really one organ you can affect. Even runners. They can’t double the capacity of their lungs or double the capacity of their heart. They can adjust it a few percentages, but you can double the amount of muscle you have in your body. From an untrained person from when you’re 20 years old, you can look at what your lean mass number is, and you can maybe actually increase that by factor two. And if you look at what muscle does, so the rest of the organs of the body, muscle is the most important organ you have. Because it puts the demand on all the things you want to keep alive. There’s a synergistic relationship there. How hard is your pancreas have to work?

However, much it has to supply insulin to the other muscular cells. That’s how well it’s going to work. Or what does your liver have to do? It has to detox the body. The more lean mass you have, the more vascular mass. I won’t even just say muscle. Well, what is vascular mass? It’s the organs, which is a little bit, and then the rest is muscle mass. So, continue to lead me down the path of being strong and being lean are the two things that are going to make you live the longest.

Brandon Carter: Listen, man. I’m about to buy some of this right now. This is not sold out. How many do I need for… I need a 48 hour fast to get these [crosstalk 00:01:13:43]?

Dr. John Jaquish: [crosstalk 01:13:42].

Brandon Carter: Oh, so I just need one bottle?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. It’s cheaper than any other protein too. Really.

Brandon Carter: Really.

Dr. John Jaquish: And the fact that you only need one dose a day, and it counts for 50 grams of protein. So, it’s like eight ounces of steak you don’t need to eat.

Brandon Carter: I like that. I accounts for 50 grams of protein? Okay. I’m about to buy some right now, man. Let me ask you what… So, I had a crazy experience once. Had to see a doctor. You ever heard of the protein sparing modified fast?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Brandon Carter: Yeah, so I did a version of that where I had two grams of protein a day, and I was trying to get no other micronutrients. And we did this for two weeks with a re-feed day in between. And me and my boy, we got DEXA scans before and after. And I didn’t even want to tell people this, because they would’ve just thought we were on drugs. We both gained lean body mass and loss multiple body fat percentages. It was not fasting, because I had a lot of protein. 2.2 grams of…

Dr. John Jaquish: I can actually show you… Now, how many people view this podcast versus listen?

Brandon Carter: Almost no one’s watching. But, I want to see still. We can tell them what we see. We can paint an audio adventure for them.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, Fortagen fast is almost exactly what you’re describing. Because, I was getting four calories per day, but in those four calories with one dose of this that’s 50 grams equivalent. Because it’s just so efficient. So, I have a number of scars around my body just from being a kid. I have huge motorcycle crash scar on my chin, because like an idiot I was riding a dirt bike with no helmet on the street, and I hit a patch of pine needles. And pine needles are like grease on a street. They’re the worse. So anyway, horrible graph right down to the bone. They couldn’t stitch it because it was right around the end. So, I got a butterfly tape. So, I had nasty scar for years. When I’d rubbed my finger over my chin, it felt like I stitched a wire in there. A thick, almost like a cable. Like an Apple charge cable in there. That’s how thick that scar was. After I’ve been doing this Fortagen experimentation for a year with these fasts, what’s going on is the autophagic process is harvesting proteins. You are not using within your body.

Old cells, scar tissue, old skin cells that are on the lower subcutaneous levels that can still be digested. This is why when you have a bowel movement after a fasted period, you look at it and you’re, ‘What is that?’ That’s your cells that have been digested by your body like food. That’s what that is. And so, a better example is right here. I have a brand on my fraternity letters. If you can see that at all.

Brandon Carter: Yeah. I can see it.

Dr. John Jaquish: That used to stick up a half a millimeter. It’s flush with my skin now. You guys have seen a branding.

Brandon Carter: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, I have [inaudible] on my left shoulder. [inaudible] was very serious.

Brandon Carter: Yeah. It seemed you were [inaudible 00:01:17:10].

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was there forever. And I just figured it would be there for the rest of my life. My body is eating it from the inside and turning it in the muscular [inaudible 00:17:27]. I’m stimulating with x-rays to the superior stimulus. And then I have the essential amino acids. So, where does the body harvest the nonessential amino acids? The other, whatever, 18, 19, amino acids it needs to create living tissue and repairing the cells. And totally replaces what it doesn’t need like scar tissue.

Brandon Carter: And loose skin. If somebody loses a lot of weight, I’ve heard that fasting helps with…

Dr. John Jaquish: All the skin goes away. Brandon Carter: Really.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Because the body knows it’s there. It knows you don’t need it. So, it metabolizes it.

Brandon Carter: Oh. So, that’s why I gained muscle. That’s why we were able to gain muscle, because our body used fucking tissue from somewhere else.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Brandon Carter: Really? What else can this cure?

Dr. John Jaquish: I mean atopic is a pretty big thing. In fact, somebody won a Nobel prize for discovering that a couple of years ago.

Brandon Carter: Really?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. It’s a big deal.

Brandon Carter: It’s almost what can’t it cure?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. It’s funny. A lot of bodybuilding and fitness trolls, ridicule it constantly. Somebody says, ‘I Fast to get to [inaudible 00:30:03]. Bodybuilders and fitness people are getting in a chess match with a pigeon. And then the pigeon just knocks over all the pieces and chips on the board, and puffs his chest out, and struts around the board like he won the argument, where he totally lost, but he doesn’t know enough…

Brandon Carter: Bodybuilders, pigeons, and women are like that. Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, I’d use some other examples.

Brandon Carter: We know friendly podcasts. We’re just joking.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, that’s right. But, ultimately, the fact that we can re-appropriate old cells and turn them into new tissue that’s functional. Non-functional tissue and functional tissue. That’s a superpower that we now have. And all you got to do is quit eating for two days and you nip it.

Connor Murphy: What if you’re like me and you have a hard time sleeping during [inaudible 01:19:43]? That’s what prevents me from doing it more frequently. Is that normal?

Dr. John Jaquish: I sleep better when I’m fasting.

Brandon Carter: [crosstalk 00:19:55].

Connor Murphy: It’s what?

Brandon Carter: Connor. I was asking Connor, ‘Can you sleep during a multi-day fast?’

Connor Murphy: I mean, sleep is good once you fall asleep. The only problem is usually the first day, I’m just really hungry. And it’s just hard to fall asleep when I’m so hungry. But that’s… Once I fall asleep, it’s fine. It’s difficult. So, the first night I usually take some melatonin, or a bunch of L-Theanine or something to relax me. Or CBD or something. And that’ll help me go to sleep.

The second day is usually easier for some reason.

Brandon Carter: You know what? It might not be the fast it might be… I take arsenal of stimulants when I’m fasting. I’ll take so much caffeine, and I take Ephedra. I don’t know if that’s…

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, that’s part of your problem right there.

Brandon Carter: Yeah. That’s probably why I can’t sleep, man. They made that stuff illegal for a reason. They made that stuff illegal for a reason.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, yeah.

Connor Murphy: Ephedra, that’s terrible, man.

Dr. John Jaquish: Man, you can get it right now, man. All you got to do is go to the pharmacist and say, ‘Hey, can I have some Bronkaid?’ It’s that asthma medicine, and then it’s got [inaudible] in it. They’re just give it to you. All you need is an ID and to be over 18. They’ll give it to anyone. For any reason. They don’t even check.

Connor Murphy: Wait, how often do you take that shit?

Brandon Carter: I just go to the pharmacist and say, ‘Oh you’ve got to give me some Bronkaid.’ It’s like when you get into Claritin D, which is behind the pharmacy. This is not advice. Anyone. I am not a doctor, nor am I giving you medical advice. I’m just telling you what I do.

Dr. John Jaquish: You might want to strongly consider not taking this advice.

Brandon Carter: A doctor is actually telling you not to do it. There’s a doctor right here telling you not to do it.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. I think there’s probably… Not all performance enhancing drugs are created equal. I mean, there’s all kinds of cold medicine that if you take it, you’re kicked out of the Olympics. You make it there, and then they kick you out for taking some cold medicine with some small amounts of [inaudible] in it. And it’s, ‘Well, what if the guy had a cold?’

Brandon Carter: What if he was really sick?

Dr. John Jaquish: I think there’s some real questions here. And I also know the nature of sports is to always be better, always push yourself, always get an edge on your competition. Somebody walked up to one of the top sprinters in the world and said, ‘I have some magic shoes for you.’

Brandon Carter: He was trying.

Dr. John Jaquish: He might zero percent believe in magic, but he’d be, ‘Hey man, if I’m going to win, I’ll run naked if I’m going to win.’

Brandon Carter: Yeah, man.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. I they don’t care. So, thought my big answer was awesome. So, yeah. I look at that… I also understand why a lot of hormones that are at supernatural levels. I mean the body can’t reconcile with that frequently, because it’s not expecting you to have… There was a bodybuilder who died recently. Guy had 57 times… No, sorry. Yeah. 57 times the natural amount of testosterone in his body.

Connor Murphy: Dallas McCarver?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. That’s him.

Connor Murphy: Yeah. I heard about that dude.

Dr. John Jaquish: I mean, that’s sort of… I’m really charming after I have one drink and I talk to people at a party. Why don’t I have 57 drinks? Use that same logic. We have something in medicine called minimum dose response. That means, ‘What’s the smallest amount of this thing do we need to get the intended effect?’ And that’s what they use with the pharmaceuticals, and I think more calculated people like me are doing it with exercise.

Why would you land on 57 [inaudible] now? Yeah, of course the guy dropped dead at… What was he? 23, Connor?

Connor Murphy: He was really young. Yeah. He was 23, yeah.

Brandon Carter: That’s really sad, man. That’s really sad.

Connor Murphy: Yeah. That’s crazy. They go crazy overboard these days. That’s why I don’t compete, man. I just have to be on way too much shit.

Dr. John Jaquish: Maybe not though. [crosstalk 01:24:23].

Brandon Carter: Can Connor be a pro-physique builder if he builds his physique naturally? You think [crosstalk] bar can take him to the next level naturally?

Dr. John Jaquish: Oh, yeah. There are guys who were slim guys. Look at the before and afters on the X-raybar.com website. There are people who get it. Absolutely [inaudible] physique competitors. And beforehand, no, you wouldn’t even think about it.

Connor Murphy: Interesting. Well, damn. Cool. I’m going to try your new method, man. The more reps and the drop sets. I can’t wait. I’m very excited.

Brandon Carter: I’m buying your BCAs right now, man.

Connor Murphy: Right now, I’m buying it.

Dr. John Jaquish: The Fortagen, yes.

Brandon Carter: It’s the same as on the site.

Dr. John Jaquish: And if that we’re not out of stock.

Brandon Carter: What’s up?

Dr. John Jaquish: We’re not out of stock. You can order that today.

Connor Murphy: Come on, man. I’m buying it right now. I’m going to show you. Shame there’s shipping. I’m doing it only. I’m putting my money where my mouth… Because I want to go… I like the idea of two day fast, but if you’re telling me I can actually put on muscle…

Brandon Carter: Then, do you lift weights during a fast? That’s the last thing I want to get on. Do you lift weights…

Dr. John Jaquish: I don’t lift weights at all.

Brandon Carter: I mean do you do resistance training?

Dr. John Jaquish: Oh, yeah. I train.

Brandon Carter: [crosstalk 00:01:25:46].

Dr. John Jaquish: Absolutely. I fasted today. My last meal was dinner last night, and I won’t eat anything today. I won’t eat anything till dinner tomorrow.

Connor Murphy: Any caffeine? Any stimulants? Anything. Or, you just good?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. I had some… There’s a pre-workout I may call in [inaudible 00:26:03]. So I have some [inaudible] .

Connor Murphy: How many milligrams of caffeine is in that?

Dr. John Jaquish: 200.

Connor Murphy: 200. That’s some light, something like. Nothing crazy.

Dr. John Jaquish: No, I see pre-workouts of 800 milligrams.

Brandon Carter: Yeah. Let’s go. Let’s go. That’s my speed. I’m going to need to double dose. I’m looking for the maximum effects of doses. When it comes to caffeine.

Dr. John Jaquish: No. You want the minimum. You want the minimum. And it is funny though. So much of the fitness population just thinks if a little bit is good, a lot is better. All I say is, ‘Just apply that to alcohol.’ You have a little bit of alcohol you’re actually a smooth talker. You’re great. If you have a lot of alcohol, you leave in an ambulance.

Brandon Carter: And it’s like that with anything. Heroin, cocaine or literally anything.

Dr. John Jaquish: There’s a recommended dose.

Brandon Carter: You got to get the minimum dosage of heroin. No, I’m just joking. I just bought it. I got it right now. It’s on its way. Manhattan, man.

Dr. John Jaquish: Perfect.

Brandon Carter: I got two bottles. Because that was before you started talking about minimum effective doses. So, you said, ‘Buy one.’ So, I bought two. I’m the guy you’ve got to look out for.

Dr. John Jaquish: Well now, you can do more than one dosage of a Fortagen. That’s not a performance enhancing drug. It’s protein. And you have more than 50 grams of protein.

So, yeah. As long as you split them by half an hour.

Brandon Carter: Okay. I got one more question. You said you got at least have one gram of protein per pound of body weight. Wouldn’t two put on twice as much muscle?

Dr. John Jaquish: No. Unfortunately.

Brandon Carter: So, that’s what you do. You do one gram.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Brandon Carter: Okay, okay, okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: There is a little evidence that you’re going to accelerate. There’s one study that did find… I think it was one and a half is better for advanced athletes.

Brandon Carter: That’s me.

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s because there’s one study and there’s 10 other ones that say one gram per pound of body weight. I’m reserving my judgment.

Connor Murphy: All right.

Dr. John Jaquish: It just seems… Because imagine this is how people put on muscle in the past before they had any supplements. I’m talking indigenous people. So, how would they have been able to swallow that much…

Brandon Carter: That much meat. Or kill that many animals?

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s hard. When I sit down and I eat three pounds of beef, I feel awful at the end. I hurt. It’s just so much food in your stomach. So, I did that last night. Yeah, I surpassed three pounds.

Brandon Carter: I did that once with a Tomahawk steak at Mastro’s in New York. If you’re ever Manhattan, man come…

Dr. John Jaquish: I’ve been to Mastro’s.

Brandon Carter: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Connor Murphy: [crosstalk 00:29:01].

Brandon Carter: What do you say?

Dr. John Jaquish: STK in…

Brandon Carter: STK. W.

Dr. John Jaquish: I like STK better.

Brandon Carter: I used to think that. But now I’m thinking Mastro’s, man. I think they got… I’m thinking Mastro’s.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Whenever I’m in Manhattan it’s [crosstalk 01:29:20].

Brandon Carter: What city are you in?

Dr. John Jaquish: I’m in San Francisco.

Brandon Carter: Oh, San Francisco. Y’all got hit hard with the RONA.

Dr. John Jaquish: No, we really didn’t. Nowhere in California did.

Brandon Carter: Are you a doctor, real quick. Okay. Is this shit real or no? You’re a doctor.

Dr. John Jaquish: Biomedical engineer. I’m not an infectious disease… Now that I’ve given that disclaimer, I will say the data completely does not reconcile with the panic that were being sold. I mean, you’re in Manhattan. That where it got hit the worst in the whole world.

Brandon Carter: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: I mean, we don’t know about China, because they lie a lot.

Brandon Carter: Yeah, man. They’re just liars.

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Dr. John Jaquish: It’s funny: if you do business in China, anybody that’s done business in China, it’s like they hear somebody is shocked that a nation would lie to our nation, and it’s like, ‘Oh, that’s the culture.’ They’ll agree to manufacture something, and then the second you leave the factory, they’ll switch out all the parts for cheaper parts.

Brandon Carter: They’ll do anything.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, that’s the way they do it.

Brandon Carter: That’s how business is run.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right, yeah. I have a friend who works at Apple, and he says that he has to have his people at the Foxconn factory watching what they’re doing at all times. If a production line is running, they have to have somebody from America watching, because they’ll swap it out for a cheaper microchip or some bad glass. And then when it breaks, it’s like, ‘Well, I don’t know.’ They just sit there, and they act like they don’t know what happened.

Brandon Carter: [crosstalk 00:01:03].

Dr. John Jaquish: Lying is the way they roll. But if you know that, and you get them to agree to… ‘We’re only going to pay for this once we quality test it. We’ll come back to the factory. You don’t have to give it to us, yet, but we’re going to quality assurance test to make sure that these things are actually going to work. And if they’re pieces of crap, then you’ve got to build them again.’ And they don’t want to do that, so there’s a way to manage that, but it’s a cultural thing.

Maybe they think they’re putting a positive spin on it so you can have a happy day, but there’s another way to say that: it’s ‘They’re lying.’

Brandon Carter: Come on, man.

Dr. John Jaquish: You can like the president or not, but when he says, ‘They’re a bunch of liars,’ that’s just a fact. Sorry, that’s what they do.

Brandon Carter: Yo, all right. So, you’re saying that the panic now, but it’s been good for your business, man. You sold out. You can’t make enough of these, man.

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, I’m not really happy about that. I’d really rather have our national freedom back. That’s the bigger deal: [crosstalk] back.

Brandon Carter: Yeah, [crosstalk 00:02:16].

Dr. John Jaquish: We’re toying with tyranny. It’s just made me really irritated. This is supposed to be the freest country in the world, but you can get screamed at for not wearing a mask when you walk down the street, or screamed out for walking down the street at all, which is happening in New York. You go for a walk in the park, and people will hold their phone out and harass you.

Brandon Carter: That doesn’t happen to me, but I live in the Upper West Side and I’m the most dangerous person here. It’s a rich neighborhood, and I’m the only one who looks like [crosstalk 01:32:50]-

Dr. John Jaquish: I look like a questionable individual, also.

Brandon Carter: They’re looking at me like that on a normal day. Somebody will cross the street, just regularly. That was happening to me in February.

Dr. John Jaquish: So these people are doing it because they’re in panic, and panic makes people do really irrational stuff, like throwing away their civil liberties. This country was started to avoid behavior like this, honestly.

And who handled this the best? Sweden did. They didn’t lock anything down. Everybody went to work. Everybody went to school. They said, ‘Try to limit your social contact, but we’re not going to mandate what you have to do.’ And they didn’t even have an economic downturn. They did great. And also, if you compare them to… I think on a list of European countries, they’re near the bottom, as far as low deaths. And they’re also approaching herd immunity.

I also hate the fact that people are ridiculing the term herd immunity. That’s a real thing in medicine. The person didn’t make that up. They’re acting like he just made it up. He didn’t. Herd immunity. And that’s how the Spanish flu, the deadliest flu the world has ever seen, that’s how that was defeated, is enough people got it and got over it, that it couldn’t spread anymore. And the number for Spanish flu was, once 66% of the population had it already, there weren’t enough people to keep the virus going. So even the people that didn’t get it, never got it. It just died off.

Brandon Carter: That strain of flu is still a seasonal flu. It’s just people are worried-

Dr. John Jaquish: No, it’s not. It’s completely dead. There is no more Spanish flu.

Brandon Carter: Really?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Brandon Carter: Why didn’t that happen to just the regular flu?

Dr. John Jaquish: Because it was just a particular mutation of the flu that was brutal. And it killed millions.

Brandon Carter: Yeah, that one was gangster.

Dr. John Jaquish: And also, they didn’t know how to handle it maybe the best way, back in 1918, I think it was.

Brandon Carter: Things were different then.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. So I think that shutting down the whole world for infectious disease… And a lot of these people who are screaming at the guys walking through the park, they’re saying like, ‘You’re endangering everyone and you’re selfish.’ I’d love to turn that argument around, and say it’s people who want to continue to quarantine, healthy people… By the way, there’s no scientific evidence that that works at all. Somebody made a comment, ‘There’s no scientific backing to that. Quarantining helps people.’ There’s no scientific backing to that, either. That’s never been done. And now we know, when you compare it to Sweden, they’re the only ones who didn’t in the same pandemic, so pretty apparent it doesn’t really do much.

But when we want talk about selfishness, it’s the people who wanted to quarantine who are selfishest, because guess what this economic downturn is going to do the third world.

Brandon Carter: Oh, talk about it!

Dr. John Jaquish: Estimated between 130 and 250 million people are going to starve to death, because when we’re buying less shoelaces and rubber tires, and maybe not get the family car replaced this year, we’re going to put that off, and we have some hardship, guess what happens in third world countries: people starve to death because they’re living on a couple of dollars a day. So now we’ve got hundreds of millions of people potentially starving to death, and wait a minute, we did this quarantine, but we did it to save ourselves. We didn’t think about the implications.

And I hear on the news from politicians and people with political opinions who are… They’re do-gooders: they’re the best people in the world, and their virtues are going to save everybody. Oh, really? So what? To save a million already sick people… By the way, the people who are dying, I think they have a 97% chance in the United States of having a comorbidity. So they already have a deadly disease, so to save a million of those were going to kill a hundred million children. And these people said, we were doing this to save life. No, we did this to save your life, or maybe people like you. That’s the selfish people.

Brandon Carter: You make some good points, man. Those are the third-world economic implications. I’m just asking everybody here, because I want to know what I should do with my cash. What do you think is going to happen here economically? We know there’s 33 million unemployed people; there’s 20% unemployment. You don’t just fix that in a minute, even though the fed put a lot of money.

Dr. John Jaquish: Oh, yeah, we can.

Brandon Carter: We can?

Dr. John Jaquish: Because it’s not for any reason other than shutting down. It’s not like industries are contracting. Because in the ’80s, when a lot of the guys… It was mostly males who worked in manufacturing industry, but some women, too. Just the kind of blue collar jobs in low-level manufacturing went away. They went into Japan, and China, and Korea. And so, since the ’80s when that happened, the whole nation kind of forgot about the middle of the country. There’s a lot of people in Detroit, Ohio, everywhere… I’m not going to name them. Everywhere. They lost their jobs, but the reason they lost their job was because the industries left. But right now, no industry left. Everything’s just put on hold, so all these jobs are going to be able to come back.

And if somebody in Washington is smart, they’re going to cut taxes, yet again. Incentivize all of these industries for growth, and the incentives are going to be based on their sales. The only way your factory produces more products is by hiring more people. And it’s going to be a one-time thing. It’ll be for nine months or something like that. And so, to take advantage of a break on the taxes, they’re going to have to scale up and be bigger than they’ve ever been, stronger than they’ve ever been.

Brandon Carter: So you think the economy’s going to come back stronger, is what you’re saying?

Dr. John Jaquish: It can. I’m not saying, ‘It will.’ If somebody in Washington knows what I just said, which [crosstalk 01:39:44]-

Brandon Carter: If you’re listening, Trump.

Dr. John Jaquish: Say it again.

Brandon Carter: Trump, if you’re listening, and we know you are, here’s the game plan.

Dr. John Jaquish: The guy who can do it, and if he’s paying attention… Fortunately, I’ve got two good friends in the White House, and I talk to them about this stuff.

Brandon Carter: Oh, really? Man, look at you. So, you don’t think we’re headed towards a recession, is what you’re saying, or any sort of economic downturn?

Dr. John Jaquish: There was going to be a recession.

Brandon Carter: And it got stopped.

Dr. John Jaquish: The bubble got burst in this. It’s funny because the people who all wanted Trump to fail… And failure happens in an economy when too many people are invested in the market that don’t understand it: they’re buying high instead of low, and selling low instead of high.

I forgot who it was. It might’ve been Thomas Edison or something. As soon as the little kid who shines his shoes was asking him for stock advice, he decided to sell out of the whole market, because he knew that this kid didn’t know what the hell he was talking about. And he said, ‘If guys like this who were shining my shoes are invested…’ Nothing against kids who shine shoes, but they shouldn’t be investing in the market because they’re going to be making bad decisions. They don’t have enough experience. So the shoeshine guys, if they’re investing in the market, then there’s people who are over-inflating values of stocks, and that’s what they call a bubble.

So because that bubble existed, and it had been because more and more people have been investing, because we’ve had the best stock market in the last couple of years than has ever [crosstalk 01:41:31]-

Brandon Carter: Crazy.

Dr. John Jaquish: And the spike’s been crazy, and bubbles happen. And so that was building, building, building, building. Now of course, as soon as every stock crashed, artificially, as a result of the coronavirus, not because there’s a real downturn in the market, now all the people sold low. They bought it when it was on the rise. They did exactly the wrong thing, but they always do. And so that bubble has already burst, so we just avoided a recession.

Brandon Carter: [crosstalk 01:42:04].

Dr. John Jaquish: We just [crosstalk] recession. They’re gone. So it’s funny because I feel like a lot of this quarantine is just trying to be extended. And you can see it’s the Democratic governors that are wanting to do this, because they want Trump to fail. Hey, guys. The failure that would have been perceived, you just screwed that opportunity up by having a quarantine.

Brandon Carter: Ah, I see what you’re saying.

Dr. John Jaquish: You had one chance to make the guy look bad.

Brandon Carter: I feel like this is an amazing opportunity for Trump. If things are turned around in November, if the country’s opened, or if it’s anywhere close to business-as-usual, this would be amazing for him. From a political standpoint-

Dr. John Jaquish: [crosstalk 00:12:50]. Honestly, I don’t really care. It’s usually some bad guy versus another bad guy, and sometimes we get a chance to have a really significantly less bad guy. I think you’ve got to be an egomaniac to want the job.

Brandon Carter: Yo, I wouldn’t take it.

Dr. John Jaquish: I would never do it.

Brandon Carter: Okay, so real quick. Wait a minute. Hold on. If there was a bubble before coronavirus, right now, they say the stock market has recovered. The S&P is only 13% down from the bubble, but it’s still not a functional economy.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right, because the sophisticated investors know those companies still have incredible value. It’s not like nobody’s going to buy Goodyear tires anymore. We’re still driving cars. As soon as people start driving again, we’re going to be buying tires.

Brandon Carter: So what you buying, man? You sound like you know what you buying, man. What you been buying up?

Dr. John Jaquish: Actually, I put all my money back in Jaquish Biomedical.

Brandon Carter: That’s a smart move. That’s where you’re going to get the best return.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right now, my own company is growing faster than Google in its best days.

Brandon Carter: Come on, now! Flex on me! ‘My company growing faster than Google, man.’ You see the X Bars [crosstalk 00:01:44:12]-

Dr. John Jaquish: Also the medical device side, the OsteoStrong side, that’s doing phenomenal also. It’s helping people build bone density all over the world. We’re in eight countries. So I’m not involved in the market at all.

Brandon Carter: I get way more investment, personally, my company, just ads, Facebook ads. I can look at the real ROI, and I can see that immediately. I’m like, ‘Oh, man. I’m just going to keep doing this right now.’ But I ain’t buying [crosstalk 00:14:42].

Dr. John Jaquish: [crosstalk] time to buy, because [crosstalk] washed out all the people who didn’t know what the hell they were doing and were over-inflating the values, just generically.

But I’m curious as to how the medical industry is going to come out of this, because I know a lot of really smart scientists who are not quite in medicine; they’re in physics or biomedical engineers, like me, so they just kind of touch the medical industry. And the medical industry has looked really bad through this process. We really haven’t got a concise word. We haven’t got an accurate estimate of anything. There’s existing treatments that are effective. Multiple, not just hydroxychloroquine. Other things have been shown as effective in clinical trials, not just someone’s opinion, that are already FDA approved. But it’s almost like they want…

It’s the problem I had with my medical device. And launching a medical device versus a fitness device, there’s no contest: the medical side is so much harder. OsteoStrong was so much harder to convince the medical community to recommend the invention. That was so hard because the amount of evidence that they wanted was staggering. They wanted 10-year studies. And I’m like, ‘Oh, okay. So you don’t want me to take a paycheck for 10 years and run a study? Never mind, that’s going to cost millions of dollars.’ So, they’ve kind of set up their own game. In a way I understand it’s so people don’t come with silly ideas that are like, ‘Look, I got this flu drug that’s just orange juice and [Bronkaid 00:16:46]. We’ve got to do a [crosstalk 01:46:49]-’

Brandon Carter: [crosstalk 01:46:49]. You’ll feel better!

Dr. John Jaquish: They have a really high bar for getting FDA approval. Well, yes and no. You actually only need two clinical trials to get FDA approval, so even if hydroxychloroquine wasn’t approved by the FDA… It actually has been for 65 years. It’s been prescribed for 65 years for lupus, for rheumatoid arthritis, and for malaria. But aside from that, if it hadn’t, there’s already two published trials. It’s got enough to get FDA approval again. It’s still ignored. And there’s a couple other drugs that really show good pro… Anything that ends up normalizing the function or stunting the function of lining cells, because it’s the lining cells in the ear/nose/throat area, and then in the [inaudible 00:17:52].

Brandon Carter: You don’t have to tell me about lining cells.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, okay. So there’s a number of drugs that are active on those cells, and because the disease maturation is only 12 weeks, we’ve had a lot of 12-week periods since quarantining the world. Where has the medical industry been? Why isn’t anybody running these things? And I know why. It’s because nobody wants to be embarrassed by running a clinical trial that won’t meet the standards that have been seen in a lot of other clinical trials, because then they might be… Look how the guys at the White House, even [Fauci 00:01:48:35], when he said, ‘Hydroxychloroquine may work.’ They were ready to nail him to the wall.

And it has two published trials. Are they the perfect trial? No. Should they have been randomized? Yeah, but it’s kind of hard to randomize and create a control group, a placebo group, in a life-threatening situation, because basically you’re sending half the people to their death. Is that ethical? Most ethics boards would say ‘no,’ and then give the right answer. But then that also means you’re not going to get that randomized trial, because there’s a life and death situation. So who cares? How many people did it at work with? Oh, 90% of the people. That’s a study that came out yesterday. If it was 90% effective, that’s certainly better than 4% or 10.

But the medical industry has become victims of politics and social media outrage, and the fact that that has been leading the conversation… And also keep in mind, the people who are loudest on social media are just loudest. That doesn’t mean they’re majority. They’re not the majority. They’re just the people that whine the most. So it’s sort of like what we do: we put content out there in the fitness industry. Who are the people that are the most vocal? The most jealous people.

Brandon Carter: The haters and [crosstalk 00:01:50:14].

Dr. John Jaquish: The haters, yeah. You get haters. You’re in good shape. Anybody [crosstalk 01:50:18]-

Brandon Carter: [crosstalk 01:50:18]. There’s a doctor saying I’m in good shape. A medical doctor. He’s a scientist. He just told you I was in good shape! Let’s not argue.

Dr. John Jaquish: But kind of like your brand and your podcast. I’m sure you’ve done one show and people just pile on you guys, and just profanity, and ‘You should jump off a bridge,’ and do all that stuff. And what’s their motivation? It actually has nothing to do with what you’re talking about on your show or getting healthy. It has to do when they look at you guys and go, ‘Wait a minute. Those guys are successful and I’m not, so I’m furious.’ That’s the mentality.

Brandon Carter: It’s going to be even crazier once I put on this 20 pounds from the X3 Bar.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. So it’s now all of a sudden, these loud fools have taken control of almost every conversation, like the politics. The reason most people don’t discuss politics on social media is they read the posts and they’re like, ‘There’s death threats in here. I don’t want anything to do with these clowns.’ Really, it’s like 10% of the population just being loud and hurling around a lot of threats. And then of course, social media enables them. But if there’s some loud people on another side, they’re going to silence it. So you think, ‘Did the world get taken over by crazy people?’ Think of the body-positive movement. All of a sudden you were a bad guy for being in shape.

Brandon Carter: Talk about it, man. I hate the body-positive movement, because you want to make me feel good about being fat, man? Are you kidding me?

Dr. John Jaquish: [crosstalk] early death. It’ll kill you, man. I wouldn’t-

Brandon Carter: It’s the number one cause of death: obesity-related diseases. [inaudible 00:22:16]-

Dr. John Jaquish: Number one.

Brandon Carter: Yeah, World Health [crosstalk 00:22:19].

Dr. John Jaquish: Chronic heart failure, COPD, all these things.

Brandon Carter: You want be positive about that? Come on, man. Get an X3 Bar! Start fasting!

Dr. John Jaquish: Definitely, stop eating.

Brandon Carter: Yeah, stop eating. Just cut it out.

Dr. John Jaquish: I think the promise of social media was to give everyone an equal voice. And now the promise needs to change to take that voice away, because those people are not worth hearing. And if you believe anything they say, well, actually, you’re [inaudible 01:53:00]. They’re giving bad advice to people. And somebody who’s giving bad or dangerous advice…

And I understand the censorship issue is not as complicated as just ‘Don’t allow censorship,’ because you’ll have people telling them how to care for their children who will be giving them advice that might actually kill their children. There is some stuff that should probably be taken off of there. [crosstalk 00:23:25]-

Brandon Carter: You’ve got to be careful.

Dr. John Jaquish: Say it again.

Brandon Carter: I think you should be careful, but you can argue how far it goes, I guess. I don’t know. I don’t have the answers, man.

Dr. John Jaquish: I think it’s a very delicate balance, and I also have noticed that since coronavirus, that a lot of things, like Facebook, will delete anything that is not approved by the WHO, who has already been proven to be a completely corrupt organization that works with China. What? Why would you do that?

Brandon Carter: They’re just covering their ass.

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s like going to Jeffrey Dahmer for babysitting advice, a mass murderer. What?

Brandon Carter: Well, listen, man. I know we’re running out of time, man. I feel like I could talk to you forever, but we got to get you back on, especially when your book comes out. I’ve got some questions.

Dr. John Jaquish: Send me an email right now, so I got into your contact info, because you’ve been probably talking to my assistant.

Brandon Carter: Oh, yeah. Your assistant’s been talking to my assistant. Assistant wars.

Dr. John Jaquish: [inaudible] the people in between. Let’s cut the middle men. Brandon Carter: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: [crosstalk] talking to you guys. I can give you the infographic, and the videos, too.

Brandon Carter: All right. Sounds good, man. So, where can they go to get the bar right now if they want to try it out? It’s sold out.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right now, they can be the first ones on the list. So we’re doing a pre-order for the re-launch of the product after the… And it’s funny, we’re only waiting for one part from some factory that just had a bunch of really frightened people. And I get it. Employees are all frightened, and they don’t want to get sick, and they don’t want to get grandmother sick. So, all right. We were probably down for about a month, but that was as of a week ago, so maybe three more weeks. People can do the pre-order thing now. They’ll be the first ones that get it.

Dr. John Jaquish: Beautiful. Awesome. Brandon Carter: Awesome. Well, what’s your social media, man? What’s your Instagram?

Dr. John Jaquish: You find me at @D-R-J-A-Q-U-I-S-H, @DrJaquish, at Instagram. And then on Facebook at Dr. John Jaquish. You’ll find me on social there.

Brandon Carter: Sounds good.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yep, awesome.

Brandon Carter: All right. Cool, man.

Dr. John Jaquish: [crosstalk] sweet advice on those social pages, so follow me on one or both. And just little things, especially people that have heard everything I have to say, and they’re like, ‘Wow, this guy changed everything that I thought I knew. So I just want to listen to him a little bit longer.’ Follow me on social media.

Brandon Carter: Sounds good, man.

Connor Murphy: [inaudible 00:26:16], man. Well, we appreciate you being on the podcast. See you guys next week on The Adonyx Podcast. Peace.

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