Dr. John Jaquish is the scientist behind the revolutionary X3 Bar
,
which uses a unique combination of the world’s most powerful resistance bands
attached to a platform and detachable bar, that allows for the type of extreme
force that builds muscle 3 times faster than conventional weight lifting,
without the risk of joint injury. Dr. Jaquish is also a research professor at
Rushmore University, and an expert in
Osteogenic Loading
and bone density who
has been nominated for the National Medal of Science and who is fast becoming
known as the Tony Stark (of Iron Man fame), or more likely, the Elon Musk of the
health and fitness industry! As much like Musk’s electric, self-driving cars
have disrupted the automotive industry, Dr. Jaquish’s research and his
inventions are just as likely to level the health and fitness industry, making
gyms as we know them today obsolete in the near future.
Dr. Jaquish credentials belie his physique, as he’s possibly the most jacked and
shredded scientist you’ll ever meet, standing 6′ feet tall, he is 240 lbs at 9%
bodyfat, having added 45 pounds of muscle over three years using his
X3 Bar
. This is possible due to his invention’s ability to deliver
tremendous force throughout a movement at varying degrees. Variable resistance,
it seems, is the key to extraordinary increases in muscular growth, a finding
Dr. Jaquish discovered while conducting research on human performance and bone
density. In that study, his team found that they could create enormous levels of
force through the body that were 7x greater than normal when isolating specific
ranges of motion.
Later studies confirmed that greater anabolic hormone responses are created with
variable resistance vs. the use of free weights or machines. These findings have
led Dr. Jaquish to the inescapable conclusion that lifting weights is not only
an inferior way to trigger muscle growth but that it is “a worthless endeavor.”
“In the strongest people the strongest. I think it’s like top 5% only use 1.53
times their body weight when they exercise their lower body. Well, compared to
nine multiples of bodyweight, which was what the top third of the osteogenic
loading crowd was doing. So I just said to myself, weightlifting is a waste of
time. Like using the same weight in a weaker range and astronomer range is just
nonsense. Like it’s a complete mystery of how the body works.”
Dr. Jaquish’s bold statements and the science that backs them up will soon be
presented in his forthcoming book
Weight Lifting is a Waste of Time, So is Cardio
. Due this summer, he
and his co-author Henry Alkire, a biomedical engineer, will present the facts
behind how the mainstream strength science and fitness industry have gotten the
subject of muscle growth so wrong, for so long.
Dr. Jaquish’s paradigm-shifting discovery, his outspoken views on mainstream
exercise dogma, as well as his reliance on facts rather than the marketing hype
and “bro-science” prognostications of many in the bodybuilding community have
fast led him to become the most hated man in the fitness industry. However, his
iconoclastic style, as well as his ambitious nature, has produced an
entrepreneurial success story. Dr. Jaquish works with elite performers in sports
from the NFL to the NBA, legendary quarterback Tom Brady and the Miami Heat’s
Wayne Ellington have both used his X3 Bar
, as has Professional
bodybuilder and Arnold Classic champion, Cedric McMillian. Dr. Jaquish’s
innovations have also attracted many in the business community, including
leadership guru Tony Robbins, his partner in OsteoStrong, a pioneering bone
density device that has reversed osteoporosis for over 30,000 people and has
helped many professional athletes become more powerful, resilient and
fracture-resistant. Together they have launched over 300 OsteoStrong clinics
across the country, with many more to come.
The prolific rise of Dr. Jaquish and his business ventures is astounding when
compared to most scientists who typically only see their work published in
journals, rarely do they have the savvy to commercialize their ideas or become
successful entrepreneurs. Dr. Jaquish, however, maintains an advantage over many
of his peers in the scientific community, as early on in his career he worked in
B2B enterprise software sales, where he honed his deal-making ability and saw
his drive to succeed rewarded with the opportunity to work on lucrative projects
in the financial sector as well as some of the biggest names in entertainment at
the time such as Kelly Clarkson, InSync, and Hall & Oats.
Dr. Jaquish credits his achievements and what differentiates his results with
many who never realize this level of success with 2 key principles, the ability
to take massive action and the acquisition of subject matter expertise …
“Two things I do. I’ve never been asked this question. I love his question. So
number one, and I was a practitioner of this and when I started spending some
time with Tony Robbins (who) became one of my partners, so many people are
fear-based decision-makers. Like they have an idea, and they say, but what if it
fails? And I’m like, Who cares? Then at least I’ll know that it doesn’t work,
then I have no regrets. And so he (Tony) says, life is filled with people that
go right to the edge, and they won’t jump in. And he said this is like 99.9% of
the population. He said I see people that come to my shows, year after year, I
recognize them. I never learned their names because there are tens of thousands
of these people. Tony Robbins will get 30,000 people to show up to a conference,
(but) they come so much that out of 30,000 people, he starts to recognize them
and sometimes he’ll just grab them out of the audience and he’ll say what
changes have you made over the last few years, I’ve seen you in a few of the
shows and they go “well I’m planning” or “I’m doing” or “they’re getting ready
to”—and there was never action? Never action. You just have to do it … so many
people actually have good ideas, but it’s like, if you don’t (do it), (then) on
your deathbed, you’re gonna sit there and go, why didn’t I do that? So you just
have to, it’s like everybody, all your friends, everyone needs to get out of the
way, and just let you do it. And that’s, that’s what I did. But both inventions,
people told me don’t do that, with the rare exception of some very successful
friends, and that was kind of a good clue to me. And my father is a very
successful guy. And he’s always like, let’s try, let’s do it, let’s build a
prototype. So, coincidentally, he put the car on the moon. He’s one of the guys
who designed and built the lunar rover, so he’s clearly a risk-taker. Yeah, so
his idea was just to go for it. But with the medical device (OsteoStrong) many
of my fraternity brothers would say, Oh, you don’t want to do that, the medical
device industry, there’s billions of dollars there, and If it actually works,
pharma companies are going to try to shut you down, which kind of happened,
There is a medical establishment, and it’s very difficult to break into, it
favors pharmaceutical type studies, so if you don’t have their form of
prerequisites, it’s really hard to get recognized the way you’d like to be
recognized. But other than that, I mean, yes, there are challenges in any
industry. I’m sure somebody wants to revolutionize the shoelace industry. That’s
probably a pain in the ass too. So, all these industries are, they want to make
sure they’re not competitors. So that’s just the nature business. So number one
is, you cannot hesitate. You just have to jump you have to do it.”
“The second thing is, especially when you’re going to be a paradigm breaker with
something really disruptive, which I’ve now done in two different industries,
right? You got to accept the fact that you’re gonna have a lot of arrows in your
back, you’re going to infuriate people, which I don’t care about, I made a lot
of noise, so you got to ignore that. But then the other thing is, and this is
the important part. You have to do enough background research, that you can
speak with absolute conviction that without a doubt, you really understand the
subject, maybe one of the best in the world. So When it comes to compression of
bone and bone adaptation, I’m one of those people when it comes to crossing
biomechanics into cellular adaptions. Most people who studied biomechanics,
(like) physical therapists and chiropractors, they don’t take a single class on
adaptation, Whereas, sports physiologists study adaptation, and maybe a little
biomechanics. But understanding both those elements, and how they really work
together, I didn’t want to know the most out of either of those two subjects, I
want to know the most about how those two subjects relate. And then that was
X3 Bar
, that was the revolutionary fitness product. And so it’s
knowing the subject and being able to speak with absolute conviction, and then
just making the massive change to go.”
“I’m gonna give you a sales example. I know a guy who sells a Big Data
migration. He’s been doing this for years with Fortune 50 type clients, a for
tens of millions of dollars in contracts. And he started in engineering. So, he
goes in for an engineering consultation, and he doesn’t do the (typical) sales
training approach, he’s got his own method, okay. So he goes in for an
engineering consultation, he says, I’m just going to analyze how much money we
can save you or, or whatever. And they don’t see him as a salesperson, and
sooner or later, they’ll either offer him a job, or they’ll say how do we get
started? And he goes, Oh, well, I have a draft contract right here, and I put
your address on it. It’s for $20 million though, and they’re like, fine, you’re
gonna save us $50 million, that’s his method. And it’s because he knows the
subject. Like what I said with X3 Bar
, I don’t know the most about
biomechanics. I know a lot about biomechanics. I don’t know the most about the
adaptation of human cells. I know a lot about adaptation human cells, but as the
two work together, I think I know the most about that.”
Full Transcription #
Lawrence Rosenberg: Welcome to the Alpha Human Podcast. I am your host Lawrence
Rosenberg, and today’s guest is Dr. John Jaquish, inventor scientist, and a
research professor at Rushmore University and an expert in
Osteogenic Loading
and bone density who
has been nominated for the National Medal of Science and who is fast becoming
known as the Tony Stark of the health and fitness industry. Dr. Jaquish is the
inventor of OsteoStrong a pioneering bone density device that has reversed
osteoporosis for over 30,000 people and is now-
Dr. John Jaquish: It’s actually hundreds of thousands of people now [crosstalk
00:00:46].
Lawrence Rosenberg: …thousands of people and has helped many professional
athletes become more powerful, more resilient, and fracture resistant. He’s also
partnered up with Tony Robbins, a major advocate of the device, and they have so
far opened over 300 OsteoStrong clinics with many more to come. Now, as
impressive as all that is most actually know Dr. Jaquish due to the waves he’s
making in the world of fitness with his second invention, the revolutionary
X3 Bar
Bar, which uses a combination of resistance bands attached to
a portable bar and platform that supports super high loads to build muscle three
times faster than conventional weightlifting without the risk of joint injury
Dr. Jaquish, welcome to the show.
Dr. John Jaquish: I feel like you work in my office. That was beautiful. You hit
everything I could have thought of.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Fantastic.
Dr. John Jaquish: Lawrence, thank you for having me.
Lawrence Rosenberg: It’s my pleasure doctor. So first off, I mean, there are so
many inventors out there that have great ideas, devices, inventions, machines
that never get off the ground or go anywhere, not even because of the efficacy
of their invention. Yet somehow you have managed to launch two incredibly
successful products and commercialize them. What do you see as the biggest
differentiator between yourself and most who don’t realize your level of
success?
Dr. John Jaquish: Two things I do. I’ve never been asked this question. I love
this question. So, number one, and I was a practitioner of this and when I
started spending some time with Tony Robbins, and Tony Robbins became one of my
partners. He put it to words better, but so many people are fear-based
decision-makers. Like they have an idea, and they say, ‘What if it fails?’ And
I’m like, ‘Who cares?’ Then at least I’ll know that it doesn’t work. Then I have
no regrets. Right? And so, he says, ‘Life is filled with people that go right to
the edge and they won’t jump in.’ And he said, ‘This is like 99.9% of the
population.’ He said, ‘I see people that come to my shows, year after year. I
recognize them. I never learned their names because there’s tens of thousands of
these people.’ Tony Robbins will get 30,000 people show up to a conference. They
come so much that out of 30,000 people, he starts to recognize them.
And sometimes he’ll just grab him out of the audience, and he’ll say, ‘So, what
changes have you made over the last few years in your life? I’ve seen you at a
few of the shows.’ And they go, ‘Well, I’m planning or I’m getting ready to
do…’ And there was never action. Never action. You just have to do it. It
sounds cliche. Nike, just do it, right? Yeah. Except when it says, just do it on
t-shirt it’s like nonsense. It doesn’t mean anything to anybody, but so many
people actually have good ideas. And I know a dentist, he’s a big
X3 Bar
user, and he’s a good friend. And he told me about some
dental tools that he’s been thinking would be great for dentists, because it
would save a lot of time. And billable appointment, time is money for a dentist.
If you can clean somebody’s teeth in half the time. You making more money? Yes.
So, I trying to encourage, no, I don’t know a lot about dental tools, so I can’t
help them very much. And it’s not my background.
It’s like if you don’t, on your death bed, you’re going to sit there and go, why
didn’t I do that? Right? So, right, because you just have to, it’s like
everybody, all your friends, everybody needs to get out of the way and just let
you do it. And that’s what I did. But in both inventions people told me, ‘Don’t
do that.’ When it was the medical device and I mean, with the rare exception of
some very successful friends, and that was kind of a good clue to me and my
father was a very successful guy and he’s always like, ‘Let’s try it. Let’s do
it. Let’s build a prototype.’ So coincidentally, he put the car on the moon.
He’s one of the guys who designed and built the Lunar Rover, clearly a risk
taker. Yeah. So, obviously his idea was just go for it. And that’s when I said I
was… I got a little allergy, sorry.
Lawrence Rosenberg: No problem.
Dr. John Jaquish: We get into the medical device. So many of my fraternity
brothers would say, ‘Oh, you don’t want to do that, in the medical device
industry, there’s billions of dollars there. If it actually works. Pharma
companies will try and shut you down.’ Which kind of happened, there is a
medical establishment. It’s very difficult to break into it, and it favors
pharmaceutical type studies. So, if you don’t have their form of prerequisites,
it’s really hard to get recognized the way you’d like to be recognized. But
other than that, I mean, yes, there’s challenges in any industry. I’m sure if
somebody wants to revolutionize the shoelace industry, that’s probably a pain in
the ass too. So right. All these industries are reproductive. They want to make
sure they don’t have a lot of competitors. That’s just the nature of business.
But so, number one is, you cannot hesitate. You just have to jump; you have to
do it. And the second thing is, when you… Especially when you’re going to be a
Paradigm Breaker, like something really industry disruptive, which I’ve now done
in two different industries.
You got to accept the fact that you’re going to have a lot of arrows in your
back. You’re going to infuriate people. Number one, which I don’t care about.
The people I infuriate. They’re really unintelligent they’re… I don’t care
about that, it’s just like at a bird’s anatomy [inaudible] I made a lot of
noise, the bird’s pissed off and screaming in the tree. Yeah. That’s all it is.
People are. So, number one, you got to ignore that. But then the other thing is
that… there is the important part, you have to do enough background research
that you can speak with absolute conviction, that you know, when you’re talking
about the subjects that you talk about. That without a doubt, you really
understand the subject, maybe one of the best in the world. So, when it comes to
compression of bone and bone adaptation, I’m one of those people. When it comes
to crossing biomechanics into cellular adaptions, as most people who studied
biomechanics, they’re physical therapists and chiropractors. Right? So, they
don’t take a single class on adaption or adaptation when you want call it that.
They don’t study it. Whereas the sport’s physiologist is studying adaptation and
maybe a little biomechanics. So, understanding like when it came to
X3 Bar
, understanding both those elements and how they really work
together, was in… I wanted to be… I didn’t want to know the most out of
either of those two subjects. I want to know the most about how those two
subjects relate. And that was X3 Bar
. That was the revolutionary
fitness product. And so, it’s knowing the subject and being able to speak with
absolute conviction and then just making the massive change to go. Yeah.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Yeah. I know Tony Robbins talks a lot about massive action
and-
Dr. John Jaquish: That’s true, massive action.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Massive action. So clearly taken out. But what I haven’t
heard before from a lot of motivational gurus or those who speak on success is
something that you really do learn though, as a… So I’m in the world of sales,
I run sales teams and one of the most important things in the world, if you’re
going to be able to get get your point across, convince someone, evangelized to
the degree that someone is on your side is product knowledge. You have to be
just an incredibly steeped in what it is you’re representing in order to create
that kind of belief in someone else that would-
Dr. John Jaquish: Totally, here’s… I’m going to give you a sales example that
I know. There’s a guy who sells a big data migration. He’s been doing this for
years and a huge fortune 50 type clients. So, tens of millions of dollars
contracts. And he started in engineering. So, you go in for an engineering
consultation. So, he doesn’t do the sales training or what they do at the
company at all. He’s got his own method, because he goes in there for an
engineering consultation and he says, ‘I’m just going to analyze how much money
we’d save you or whatever.’ And then I’ll just see him as a salesperson and
sooner or later they’re either offer him a job or they’ll just say, ‘How do we
get started?’ And he goes, ‘Oh, well, I have a draft contract right here and
I’ll put your name and address on it. It’s for $20 million though.’ And they’re
like, ‘Fine, you’re going to save us 50.’ They just sign it. Yeah. That’s his
method. Yeah. It’s like, he just knows the subject.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Yeah, that’s powerful stuff. I love those two pieces of
insight from you and you know what? The other thing is, it would probably goes
along with this and what you’ve said is, actually not just knowing what you have
so well that you can explain it with absolute conviction. So, being an expert in
it, right? Or close to an expert…
Dr. John Jaquish: You may even, you may even become an expert in something that
nobody is an expert. Like what I said with x-ray, I don’t know the most about
biomechanics. I know a lot about biomechanics. I don’t know the most about
adaptation of human cells. I know a lot about adaptation human cells, but as the
two work together, I think I know the most about that.
Lawrence Rosenberg: So, you’ve got that, but then there’s another piece which
is, not just believing it, but being it, right? Being it. And what I mean by
that is you’re the most jacked and muscular scientist most people have ever
seen. Okay. But that’s bottom line. When you picture a scientist, you do not
picture Dr. Jaquish, right? I mean, so clearly you practice what you preach and
so…
Dr. John Jaquish: You can’t trust somebody who doesn’t, it’s like don’t trust a
fat fitness guy. Don’t trust a skinny chef.
Lawrence Rosenberg: I can’t tell you many times I’ve seen fat people in the
fitness industry. I mean, funnily enough, my career began 25 years ago, selling
health club memberships for Jack LaLanne, right? [inaudible] the day. And I
cannot tell you how many of the management staff when I started were all out of
shape and overweight. But that’s the thing, but you, so clearly you represent
this, well, not just the knowledge base, but physically you can easily embody
what it is you’re preaching. I’m curious, first and foremost, how long have you
been training for?
Dr. John Jaquish: Well, let me start in the middle. When I started
X3 Bar
, I started doing videos. I was not very good shape.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Really?
Dr. John Jaquish: Well. I’m sure that the non-exerciser there would have said,
‘Okay, you obviously work out.’ But I mean, nobody stopped me at the grocery
store and said, ‘How did you get like that?’ Or like now people ask me for my
autograph and I’m like, ‘Who do you think I am?’ And they like, ‘Are you an MMA
fighter though like I’m not sure who you are, but I know you’re a professional
athlete?’ And I’m like, ‘No, I’m a scientist.’ And they kind of look at me like
‘What?’ So, when starting X3 Bar
, I was okay, I was like 190 pounds,
20% body fat.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Okay. And how tall are you?
Dr. John Jaquish: Six foot.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Okay. Yeah. That’s…
Dr. John Jaquish: And now I’m 9% body fat at 240 pounds. So yeah, the product
really works. It makes muscle growth. It’s not easy. You know who Dr. Shawn
Baker is?
Lawrence Rosenberg: Yeah, of course I’ve had him on the show.
Dr. John Jaquish: Oh great. Yeah. So, Dr. Baker says ‘Extra workouts are the
hardest thing he’s ever done. And he’s a world record holder in the deadlift,
record holder in the indoor rowing. So, it’s, it’s really hard a workout, but
you do grow muscle quickly.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Hold on. So, you went from one 190 to 240, in what
timeframe?
Dr. John Jaquish: Oh, that was about three years. For two years, I’ve put on 45
pounds of muscle and lost 16 pounds of body fat. That was the [inaudible]
transformations are always the most aggressive.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Yeah. I mean that…
Dr. John Jaquish: And I’m old and this all happened over 40 years old.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Yeah. I was just going to say, usually if you’re going to
see something like that, you see it in a teenager who has the genetics, that
they’re 16, they start weightlifting and they just blow up and they eventually
get into bodybuilding or some kind of thing like this. To hear about 45 pounds
of muscle growth in your forties after three years of training, I mean, that’s
impressive.
Dr. John Jaquish: That was two years.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Two years of training. Okay. So, but all right, so now let’s
start to understand how is that possible, using the X3 Bar
? So let’s
talk about what that’s all about, what the science of it is, how it works, again
the claims that it’s three times faster, the way that sounds like it’s even
faster than that with the results that you’ve seen. So, let’s talk about how
that’s possible.
Dr. John Jaquish: So, it has to do with looking at the variance and capability
of the human body. So, when you go to do a pushup, when your nose is really
close to the ground, it’s the harder part of the pushup. And as your arms become
straighter, it’s the easier part of the pushup. And in fact, you see like kids
in high school cheated push outs, and they only go down like a third of the way,
right?
Lawrence Rosenberg: Yes.
Dr. John Jaquish: Especially with the chubby kids. Because they might not be
able to get up. Yeah, really sad. When I drive by an elementary school now
that’s like advocates of chubby. So, when it’s sad, I don’t want to laugh.
Lawrence Rosenberg: He’s just a kid.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, it’s just the direction society is going. Yeah. We’ll
get into that next. Lawrence Rosenberg: We will but [inaudible 00:18:47].
Dr. John Jaquish: So, when I was developing the
Osteogenic Loading
medical devices, what
those devices do is isolate the most powerful range of motion. So, where a human
would normally absorb high-impact forces and it’s what isolate those positions
and then allow them to self-compress. So, they create the force. So, they create
force in those positions. And then it’s read with highly sensitive… First of
all, the position by a robotic arm. And then they are… Their performance is
recorded via a computerized system and sensitive measurement device. So, we
captured exactly to the pound, a pound per second, they are creating force.
Lawrence Rosenberg: And this is with OsteoStrong?
Dr. John Jaquish: Its OsteoStrong, right. And I realized when I looked at
decondition, as in highly on athletic people, for those who don’t know what
deconditioning is. Highly unathletic people who had osteoporosis who were test
subjects in the clinical trial that I did in London. There was a hospital in
London, and I’m looking at the loading and the doctors that are there. There was
the principal investigator that people were really close to the program. And
they had already asked all the good questions, but some of the casual observer
physicians that were in the hospital would say, ‘What do people do in the gym?
Because we’re seeing these little old ladies put five, six, 700 pounds through
their hip joint in these very select positions. And they’re moving like two
millimeters when they do the movement. So, there’s movement, not static, but
they have these… And the movement is actually from the compression of bone.
So, the bone actually gets shorter, like the femur does this, compresses from
end to end. And so, we’re looking at what kind of loading is going through
their…
And the doctors are like, ‘What do people lift in the gym on average?’ And I
said, ‘Well, there’s data on that. Let me get it for you.’ And so, I looked at
what the American College of Sports Medicine had published in a couple of
different journals. So, they do analysis of the NAS database, [inaudible]
remember exactly what that acronym is a, the long one, but like National Health
and Nutrition or something like that. And so, what they look at is they survey
about 1000 people a year and a huge battery of tests and medical metrics that
they take in. And so, what they determined was looking at the NAS database that
most people go between 1.3 and 1.53 multiples of their own body weight that they
load through their hip joint.
Where, so I’m just looking at the hip joint here. Because that’s where there’s
the most data on, especially for bone, because that’s where the mortality
related fractures come from. So, right. You can have a fragility fracture of
your wrist, and it’s very inconvenient. You shatter your hip, you have a… If
you’re over 50, you would have a 50% likelihood of death within one year,
because of the complications. Yeah. 50% chance of death after 50 if you have a
hip fracture.
Lawrence Rosenberg: That’s unbelievable.
Dr. John Jaquish: 50 is not that old.
Lawrence Rosenberg: No.
Dr. John Jaquish: No, that’s terrible. So, that’s why we have so much data on
it. So, when I looked at the 1.3 to 1.53 and then I looked at what we were
doing, we were doing seven, eight, nine times body weight. People were using
nine times their body weight. So, it makes what we do at the gym and the
strongest people, I think it’s like top 5% only use 1.53 times their body weight
when they exercise their lover body. Compared to nine multiples of body weight,
which was what the top third of the
Osteogenic Loading
crowd was doing. So, I
just said to myself, Weightlifting is a Waste of Time
, like using the
same weight in a weaker range and a stronger range is just nonsense. It’s a
complete misread of how the body works. Now, yes, functionally the things we
pick up are one weight. If you have a suitcase to pick up, it didn’t get heavier
when you get into stronger ranges, but we don’t carry suitcases for fitness.
We carry them because we have to, what about fitness? What would be the best?
And so, I determined that, we need the factor… we need it to match what the
research has shown or at least come close to it. So, we have X at the bottom and
the weaker range. We should have seven X at the top, we go X to five X or five
and a half X. That’s still absolutely hell of a lot better.
Lawrence Rosenberg: And is that the amount… When you say seven X, are you
talking about the amount of force or are you talking about the weight itself?
Dr. John Jaquish: Same thing, the amount of force placed on the body. Yeah. You
got it. So, we need massive variance. So then I thought, okay, maybe I can just
write a book about band training because that’s variable resistance and you can
get to some high levels of variance but the problem was bands have been used in
rehab for a long time. But that’s because you’re using small joints, small
movements, very targeted. Once you get the banding heavy enough to be relevant
for strength,
Lawrence Rosenberg: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Dr. John Jaquish: Then this starts to happen. You start to twist joints, that if
you stand on a band and try and do a deadlift, you’re twisting your ankles
in-ward. And let’s say you’re using a couple of hundred pounds. You can break an
ankle. So that was not… Most people would have a neural inhibition. Like their
body would just shut off before they actually create a fracture. But it was just
a worthless endeavor. It was terrible. So, I just decided, okay, band training
is not, it.
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Dr. John Jaquish: I decided, ban training is not it, we got to have something
else, and also, I can’t find vans that are even remotely heavy enough. So
because now that I know that we’re actually seven times stronger than we think
we are, everybody is seven times stronger than they think they are, if their
strength is gauged by what they do in the gym. So, what we need to do is find
… Now of course, we are using multiple reps. Like one repetition maximums are
not good for muscle growth in any way whatsoever. They’re great for neurological
system. That’s about it.
And coincidentally, you do multiple repetition [inaudible], and that’s great for
the neurological system too. So, nobody needs to do a one rep maximum. So, I
wanted to pick a weight where it was very easy on the joints in the weaker range
of motion to avoid injury. And incredibly heavy, heavier than we’ve ever trained
with. Heavier than we’d ever be able to get into position.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: In the stronger range. And because of our variable capacity,
we might be able to train with 20 or even 40 repetitions with that kind of load.
Which brings us to a very deep level of fatigue, and that depth of fatigue, the
extremeness of the fatigue, is why so much growth is triggered. Because it’s far
beyond what you could ever do with a weight. It makes fatigue with weight
training look like a joke. And that’s why Dr. Baker says it’s the hardest
workout ever.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Right. Right, right, right. So … Wow. Okay, so that opens
up all kinds of doors, but the first one is, ‘How is it that, especially with
your OstheoStrong device, putting that kind of force, that kind of compression,
on the bone. So why are we capable of having that kind of force and the bone
doesn’t snap?
Dr. John Jaquish: Neural inhibition is the answer to that question.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Can you explain? I understand what neural inhibition is, but
for those who are listening who don’t [crosstalk]-
Dr. John Jaquish: It means when you’re uncomfortable and you’re maybe closer to
creating an injury, your central nervous system will shut your muscles off or
whatever movement pattern off so that you avoid injury. Let’s say you’re
sprinting, and your hamstring tightens up. Immediately, you slow down. Not just
because of the hamstring but because you start losing your balance, and balance
has a relationship with how much muscle is allowed to be switched on. So that’s
neural inhibitor. All of a sudden muscle start to shut off and slow down.
So, like when I was playing rugby, and I would go up against some Samoan guy who
was just built to hit people, I couldn’t knock him down. All I would do is just
shove him real hard and get him off balance. Because he loses speed. And then
the rest of my guys would come in and take him in. So that was a neural
inhibitory process. I learned that term when I was playing rugby. You know, just
to better understand why is it that when I just get somebody off balance, they
can’t run.
Lawrence Rosenberg: And so … All right, again so if they’re … It’s kind of
like the government right, that prohibits, stops you, well before you’re at your
limit.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yep.
Lawrence Rosenberg: And so, our limit is … So, our true strength is so much
more than we ever get an opportunity to perform or to realize because of that.
So now, how does working with these bands and with the X3 Bar
allow
you to kind of get that advantage without neural inhibition?
Dr. John Jaquish: Where neural inhibition happens in a weightlifting type
movement is in the weaker range. Because that’s where people injure. People
don’t injure in the strong range. You don’t tear your tricep in the strong
range. Jerry, when your back … when a tricep is in a stretched position.
Right?
Lawrence Rosenberg: Yep.
Dr. John Jaquish: So, when you’re using X3 Bar
, the weight drops way
off. So, like when I do a chest press, at the top I’m holding 540lbs. As I move
down to the middle of the repetition, I’m holding 300lbs.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: When I get to the weaker range, I’m holding 100lbs. Well,
that’s less weight than I would use in a pushup. So, am I going to get injured
with 100lbs? No. But check this out. We do … Part of the protocol is you use
diminishing range. So, you always keep tension on the muscle, and then you
diminish the range as you use the product. So, once I cannot get to 540lbs, and
once I have exhausted the fully engaged position of the [inaudible], I can’t get
there anymore. So now I just start doing reps going halfway. So yeah, so they
might be 8in reps instead of … or 9in, 9-10, instead of a full extension. And
I do however many of those I can do until I can no longer get to that range of
motion. And then my last three or four repetitions are just using the 100lbs.
I’ve exhausted the muscle completely. You cannot do this with a weight.
I mean, even if you rack the weight, and take some of the weight off, and do
like a drop set or something like that. Coincidentally, drop sets don’t do
anything. There’s research on it. Yeah. Just because … and it’s because you’re
losing the hypoxic effect, and you’re starting to recover the muscle in between
the sets. So, it’s like turn the muscle on, turn the muscle off, turn the muscle
on, turn the muscle off. Is that an intense experience for the central nervous
system? No. It’s just confusing the central nervous system, so it doesn’t do
anything.
Lawrence Rosenberg: So, you might be the most hated guy in fitness, given all
the myths. [crosstalk]-
Dr. John Jaquish: I have a YouTube show, which I’m rebooting really soon, called
the Falsehoods of Fitness.
Lawrence Rosenberg: I saw a couple of those. Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, yeah. There
are clowns out there who made a whole career saying, ‘This is how you train just
the outside of the tricep.’
Lawrence Rosenberg: That’s right.
Dr. John Jaquish: Or you know, the outer head of the bicep, just this part right
here. No such thing. You can’t do that. Nobody can do that. Anybody that has a
different shaped muscle than another guy, it’s like a fingerprint. You were born
with it. You can make it bigger, or you can sit on the couch and make it
smaller. Like, you can’t change the shape. So, guys that try and sell protocols
for 100 different variations of exercises are just selling a program. They
probably think they’re doing the right thing.
Because what happens is somebody with really tall peaks on their biceps right
here, it’s like okay. They have tall peaks so now they’re an expert on the
subject. You know? You were born with tall peaks, and you’re an expert on
nothing. I can demonstrate that in research. It’s pretty clear. You cannot
reshape the body.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Now hold on, hold on. So, all right. So, you can’t isolate
specific aspects of the musculature. You can’t isolate one of the heads of the
tricep. Drop sets are bullshit. Hold on. What about progressive resistance? Does
that build muscle?
Dr. John Jaquish: Well, I mean yes. But I hate the term.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Why?
Dr. John Jaquish: Progressive resistance is not a strategy, it’s a result.
Progressive resistance means you’re getting stronger. Right? Because you’re
using a little bit more resistance every time. And the idea is you’re using
incremental more resistance. It’s like it’s … People say it automatically
because they’ve just heard it.
Lawrence Rosenberg: That’s correct.
Dr. John Jaquish: It’s really a totally stupid term. That’s like saying, ‘What
do you …’ you asking somebody what do they do for a living. ‘I cash checks.’
‘Really. So, you don’t have to go to a job to get a paycheck? You just cash
checks, huh?’ So progressive resistance is a result. It is not a strategy. It is
not something you do. It’s almost as dumb as, ‘My strategy is ‘getting
stronger.’ That’s how I work out.’ People will just look at you like, ‘What?’
‘So how do you do that?’
‘Oh, I just get stronger.’ Okay, so you’re a moron.
Lawrence Rosenberg: So, what about [crosstalk]-
Dr. John Jaquish: It doesn’t make any sense.
Lawrence Rosenberg: This is amazing. Wait, wait, wait. Okay, so what about
forced reps? Does forced reps work?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yes. Forced reps’ work. I wouldn’t do it with
X3 Bar
because X3 Bar
does it automatically.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: But forced reps are another approach, a very non-efficient
approach, to variable resistance. So, it’s helping you through some of the
harder parts of the movement in the weaker range of motion so you can get more
fatigue in the stronger range of motion.
The problem is if somebody isn’t helping you and you need help through the
weaker range of motion, that’s where you tear your back, or you tear a tricep,
or worse. Like if you’re doing a lower body movement, you could screw up your
ability to walk for the rest of your life. So, I mean, it’s not something I
would … I don’t lift weights anymore. I think lifting weights is just a
worthless endeavor. I would never do it. Because of all of the limitations I
just explained.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Okay, so weightlifting is absolutely worthless, and
alongside that of course, same goes for the machines, right? So, whether it’s
free weights or machines, a waste of time.
Dr. John Jaquish: I especially dislike machines because … And people have
known this just through experience. Like, you go into an NFL training room, and
you don’t see any machines. It’s just racks. A rack and weights, that’s it. Like
nothing. No leg sled, no nothing. And there was a study a few years ago, and
this was actually a reference in my growth hormone study. It was done in 2016.
Where we look at what it takes to trigger a growth hormone, and they compared a
free weight squat to a leg sled type leg press device.
And even though the people using the leg sled used over two times the amount of
weight, they looked at the growth hormone that was created by the exercise. So,
the exercisers who … The exercisers who used the squats, they increased their
growth hormone by 600%. That’s a lot.
Lawrence Rosenberg: It’s huge.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. And even … So, the leg sled guys used double the
amount of weight. What do you think their percentage increase was?
Lawrence Rosenberg: No idea.
Dr. John Jaquish: 0%. Lawrence Rosenberg: Really?
Dr. John Jaquish: Nothing. It’s like they didn’t work out at all. Now, growth
hormone is not the full story to the growth of the human body, but it’s pretty
important for metabolic function. It’s one of the more powerful anticatabolic
hormones. Also, it should … When you’re an adult, it shouldn’t be called human
growth hormone. It should be called human repair hormone. Because it repairs a
lot of stuff. So, when somebody says, ‘Growth hormone’s not anabolic,’ like
there’s some nutrition guy that always says that. Because his nutrition program
is very cortisol heavy, let’s just call it that. Basically, he tells people they
can get fit eating candy bars. So yeah, smart guy. Just kidding. I won’t name
names, though.
Right, so he’s like, ‘Growth hormone doesn’t matter because it’s not anabolic,’
and like wow that is such a misread how that works, but okay. So, we want the
maximum amount of growth hormones. So, we want self-stabilized type motions.
Now, X3 Bar
works even better in that regard with free weights
because where the only thing that can attenuate a different level of growth
hormone is the weight used.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: Well, the weight you use with X3 Bar
is far higher
than any weight you could ever lift anyway, with more repetitions. Because the
weight climbs when your capability climbs. More capability, the more weight
comes on you. So, I was just doing one legged squat with 350lbs on each leg. And
like, I know I can … My legs are … They’re feeling it right now. This was
about an hour before we started this podcast. But ugh, it’s just such a better
stimulus. It’s awesome. And I’m on one leg so I have ever more stabilization
firing and even more growth hormone.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Okay, so speaking about then your training, your actual
training with X3 Bar
, how long do you train for? Like, what’s the
protocol? How much time do you spend-?
Dr. John Jaquish: This is another thing people really hate me for, and I don’t
blame them for this. Because a lot of scammy products say you can get a workout
done in a hurry.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Yeah?
Dr. John Jaquish: So, I work out, I say 10 minutes. Most people can get it done
in 10 minutes. I’ve gotten to the point where I’m so big that each muscle …
Like in the beginning, it was 10 minutes, and now like my quadriceps, my glutes
are so huge they draw so much blood that it takes me a while to catch my breath
between sets.
You know, the bigger someone is, it kind of creates the illusion that they have
poor cardiovascular health. It’s not true. It’s just they have so much blood
drawn into each large muscle that they’re gasping for air. It doesn’t mean they
don’t have cardiovascular endurance. They have better cardiovascular endurance
than people who are running every day.
But it is manifest in a different way because the engine that they’re using to
drive their body, or the engines. I look at each muscle as a separate engine,
are huge. So, like, you see a 14-year-old do bicep curls, they’re not out of
breath. They can go as hard as they can. Put the weights down, and they take one
breath, and they’re ready to do the next thing. Whereas for me, it takes me
probably 45 seconds to catch my breath after a bicep curl, so.
Lawrence Rosenberg: So, hold on. What would a workout … Let’s put leg day
aside. What would a typical workout with the X3 Bar
look like on a
certain day? What movements would you do, and how long would it take for the
total workout, then? If it’s not 10 minutes, what is it now?
Dr. John Jaquish: It’s like 15.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: 15, and it’s four sets. Because you do one set per exercise.
You can’t do more than that. It’s so exhausting.
Lawrence Rosenberg: One set per exercise.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right.
Lawrence Rosenberg: And so, let’s say chest. So, chest is one movement, one
exercise.
Dr. John Jaquish: We go a little higher reps, too. So, it could be 30
repetitions, 20 repetitions, something like that.
Lawrence Rosenberg: And then what’s the next exercise you do after chest?
Dr. John Jaquish: Overhead press.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: Bicep press. And then I’ll do squats.
Lawrence Rosenberg: That’s all in the same workout?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yep.
Lawrence Rosenberg: And that’s 15 minutes?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Lawrence Rosenberg: The entire workout?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. After the squats, I’m usually like … I have to sit
down for five minutes and just breathe. Because it’s very exhausting.
Lawrence Rosenberg: So, this is … okay, so a couple of things. Yeah, so of
course the entire fitness industry will absolutely just deny that that is
possible. Right?
Dr. John Jaquish: [crosstalk].
Lawrence Rosenberg: I mean, you would [crosstalk]-
Dr. John Jaquish: Oh, everybody that sells equipment, I’m sure that half of my
trolls go and … they’re working for a big fitness manufacturer.
Lawrence Rosenberg: You put … I mean, this concept, this idea, this fact just
puts the entire fitness industry out of business. Just … Right? So, hold on a
second. You’re like Tony Stark, but you’re like a radical within the fitness
industry. But here’s the thing. What’s really … You reminded me of something.
You talk about this one set to the point of such failure that you can’t even
stand up. That reminds me of Mike Mentzer and his heavy-duty style of training.
They always talk about back in the day. Are you familiar with Mike Mentzer? Are
you familiar with that-?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Yeah? I mean, so-
Dr. John Jaquish: I wish I had met the guy.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Wow.
Dr. John Jaquish: In his last book, he actually said something about how it’s a
shame that certain parts of movements are so much easier than others. Because
maybe we could change how we load the body and get an even better experience.
And it was like, I read that, and well that was before I developed anything. And
these are my inventions, and I was like, ‘Yeah, like so this guy saw the
future.’
Lawrence Rosenberg: It’s unbelievable.
Dr. John Jaquish: I think he wrote that book and died maybe six months later.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Yeah, it’s a tragic ending. His life … Yeah, he fell into
drugs and depression. It was sad. And his brother died, I think, a couple weeks
later, Ray Mentzer.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Lawrence Rosenberg: But so, the one set to absolute failure is not just … I
mean, that’s the … That is then the most, if you were able to do it, truly
exhaust those muscles beyond anything that weights could do.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, so I use an analogy that even a body builder can
understand. Because [inaudible] a lot of them don’t have scientific backgrounds.
It’s almost unfair when I give a scientific reference to a guy who just follows
body building. Because he’s like, ‘What is all this last names, and a year, and
some abbreviations?’ Like, it’s an academic reference. You know, from like
school. Like yeah, they don’t know what that is. Like give them a peer review
journal. Ever heard of one? No. They don’t. And why would they? I mean, some of
these guys are … They might be professionals, but they’re not crossing into
anything, any industry, that they would have to read academic references. So,
you know.
Also, I think it’s really funny that body building and fitness, the majority of
the content is on YouTube. And I’m pretty sure it’s because the majority of the
fans are borderline illiterate. Like I mean, they don’t want something written.
They’d rather have a video. Really? Because I’d always rather have something
written so I could look at the data.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: [crosstalk] the goddamn videos. Somebody sends me a video
about data, I’m like, ‘Give me an article. Give me a scientific reference.’
Anyway. So, what was the question?
Lawrence Rosenberg: [crosstalk]-
Dr. John Jaquish: I got distracted thinking about these illiterate …
Lawrence Rosenberg: You were talking about how just one set to absolute failure,
and you were going to bring up a reference.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, and I say that when people are like, ‘You can’t get a
workout from one set.’ I say, ‘How many sets do you need to do in the sun to get
a suntan?’ They look at me like, ‘Well, you only have to go out once.’ Right.
So, if you want cells of the body to change, you just have to give them one
stimulus.
Now they wouldn’t know this, but bone is the same thing. One tremendous load
exposure to bone, and it starts changing. Immediately. Within five minutes, you
can test somebody’s blood, and you can see the pieces of broken down bone that
have been sacrificed to make room for growth for new bone, new more dense bone,
more powerful bone.
Lawrence Rosenberg: [inaudible].
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Within five minutes of one load exposure that might last
a tenth of a second.
Lawrence Rosenberg: So, this was the discovery that you made with respect to
OstheoStrong. So that was actually going to be one of my questions which is,
‘How does that, how does OstheoStrong, how does that equipment that you
invented, how does it actually increase bone density?’ And so now you’re …
That’s how-
Dr. John Jaquish: Compression of bone. We’re … So when … What happened was
my mother was diagnosed with osteopetrosis. This is how I got into all of this.
And she was in her 70s, and she played tennis. She gardened and went hiking.
She’d go on really big hikes. And I mean, we’re talking like 10-mile hikes. So,
she was not deconditioned, but she still had osteopetrosis. And so, she says,
‘Well, I don’t understand why I got this. They tell you you need to be active.
I’m active.’ And so, I said, ‘let me look into this.’
Because like she read the side effects of some of the drugs, and she was in
tears. She’s like, ‘I don’t want to take this. This sounds worse than a
fracture.’ So, I said, ‘Let me look into it.’ Then as I started reading, I said,
‘You know what I’m going to do? I’m going to try and see if there’s a group of
outliers out there. A group of people that have built an incredible amount of
bone, highest bone density in the world. I’m going to see how they did it, and
I’m going to see what they did so maybe we can replicate it for you.’
Lawrence Rosenberg: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: It was one of the easiest things to find. Because this
population has … They studied the hell out of them. And I think … Well i
don’t think, I know. Because I’ve talked to the top minds in the field. When I
got invited to speak four times in a row at the world congress on osteopetrosis,
and all the top researchers there. And so when they … When I told them about
this population of people with superhuman bone, they would just interrupt me.
They were like, ‘Oh, you mean gymnasts.’ That’s right, gymnasts. And they shake
their heads. They’re like, ‘We’ve been trying to isolate the growth factors that
the gymnasts secrete to create more growth in bone for a long time.’
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Dr. John Jaquish: Need to create more growth and bone for a long time. That’s
been part of the pharmacological approach and of course I’m just solving the
problem with a flame thrower because I’m just forcing the body to do what
happens in the gymnast by compressing the bone physically, mechanically. So,
there’s no drug needed. Just do what the gymnast does except with my device,
what I did was I wanted to get the benefits of the high impact loading without
the risks. So, you isolate those positions with the robotics, and then you allow
people to, in a careful and controlled manner, using neural inhibition, because
if they’d slammed in something, there’s no neural inhibition. It’s just an
abrupt experience. It’s impact. We’re looking to emulate impact, not engage
impact. So, in that slow and controlled manner, they can get that experience of
high impact loading without the risks. And they grow just as fast as a gymnast
does.
Lawrence Rosenberg: That’s unbelievable.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. And women in their nineties will grow bone density,
faster than teens.
Lawrence Rosenberg: And how often would they have to do an OsteoStrong workout?
Dr. John Jaquish: The metabolic rate of bone is different than the metabolic
rate of muscle, than the metabolic rate of the cardiovascular system. So, you
don’t want to do it more than once a week.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Gotcha.
Dr. John Jaquish: One massive load exposure per week. It’s a little like Mike
Mentzer too, but for muscle, bone is a throttle to muscle growth. So, the
higher, the bone density, you have, the more muscle you’re allowed to hold in
your body for obvious reasons. You don’t want the engine to be more powerful
than the chassis. It’s like put a Formula 1 engine in a Prius, who’s tearing the
wheels right off the car.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. The central nervous system won’t let you do that. So,
everything’s very balanced, but you make bone density more powerful, which
X3 Bar
will do a little bit, but OsteoStrong does a lot. And then
you can end up holding more musculature.
Lawrence Rosenberg: So, do you personally use both?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yes.
Lawrence Rosenberg: So that you can continue to use?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, I don’t get to use OsteoStrong as much as I’d like to,
probably once every other month now.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: So once a week, just because I live in an apartment in San
Francisco, it’s a $100,000 medical device. It’s the size of a car. So, I’m not
going to put one here, and then not one in my office, but whenever I go and
visit an OsteoStrong location, I definitely use it.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Yeah. I mean, that’s absolutely revolutionary, especially
considering the elderly population and the absolute plague that osteoporosis is,
people don’t realize how dangerous.
Dr. John Jaquish: Dangerous, and as many lives as breast cancer.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Yeah, that’s crazy.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right? It’s the complications. If somebody has a hip fracture
and then six months later, because they’d been in bed and they haven’t been able
to move around, they started building fluid into the lungs and then they get
pneumonia and then they die pneumonia. So, for some reason that doesn’t sound as
ominous as breast cancer does. [crosstalk]
Lawrence Rosenberg: I mean, I didn’t know the statistic you mentioned before. I
haven’t heard that. That’s shocking about if you have…
Dr. John Jaquish: Big chance of death after 50 years old from a hip fracture.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Yeah. That’s crazy. Absolute crazy. So, you mentioned the
idiot, who’s a nutritional regime for people that want to get in shape, candy
bars. Right? So that kind of nonsense, what do you eat? Okay, first off, you’re
working out with X3 Bar
, incredible results, GH production at very
high levels. Fantastic science behind it. Does it matter what you eat to achieve
that?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: Absolutely. I Mean, basically if you want to grow muscle,
protein is what counts and high-quality protein. Low-quality protein like pea
protein or alfalfa protein, it only has a one-digit utilization factor. So, your
body can only metabolize, let’s say 8% of that type of protein, because it’s got
all the wrong balance of, amino acids for muscle protein synthesis. So, you just
secreted in the form of nitrogen, you lose it.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Okay. So, what do you eat? What is your nutrition program
look like?
Dr. John Jaquish: Very animal protein heavy, had a couple of pounds of steak,
almost three and a half pounds of steak yesterday. [crosstalk] And some ground
beef a little bit earlier here, and then some filets later.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Okay. So, it’s mostly carnivore? Dr. John Jaquish: I have
some chicken after my workout. Chicken’s not my favorite, but there’s a new
Curry place down the street, so I want to try it. And my girlfriend’s giggling.
[giggling] Son I had a little bit of the Curry chicken and then, and then
tonight, another couple of pounds of steak.
Lawrence Rosenberg: So, it’s mostly carnivore diet, right?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Lawrence Rosenberg: So, and clearly our friend, Dr. Sean
Baker is the face of the carnivore movement. Right?
Dr. John Jaquish: Sean and I are good friends. We talk about our workouts all
the time, talk about our nutrition all the time. We’ll talk about farming all
the time. So, we both want to be big advocates of responsible farming that
treats animals a better way, also decentralizing the farming so it’s not just 3
big factory meat companies that control all the meat.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Yeah. Dr. John Jaquish: I have a friend who’s in the meat
distribution business, and he has mentioned to me that he thinks this whole meat
shortage thing, is kind of fake news and that they’re holding back to drive the
prices up, they’re taken advantage. Totally possible. I don’t know if that’s
true or not true, but it’s a theory from a guy who’s been in the industry a long
time.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Oh, Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. I mean, as a distributor, he doesn’t care because he’s
buying it for more and selling it for more.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: So, he still getting the same margin. It’s just that people
they’re not going to quit eating it, so please pay more for it. So, yeah.
Lawrence Rosenberg: But the amount of meat that we consume is almost nothing
these days, it’s absolutely at historical lows, the amount of meat, right? That
the population is consuming.
Dr. John Jaquish: People are weaker and fatter than ever.
Lawrence Rosenberg: There you go. Correct.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. I mean it was very interesting. Cause I came at this
through a very non-biased way when I was doing just OsteoStrong, I really didn’t
pay attention to my nutrition. I mean, I didn’t eat apple pie every day, but I
was Ketogenic, I guess. So, I guess I did pay attention to my nutrition.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Okay. Dr. John Jaquish: But I think basic Ketogenic
nutrition is so easy, it’s almost effortless.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Dr. John Jaquish: You have more protein and fat. And then I love Dave Asprey’s
book. Cause in the very end, you should be eating a majority of vegetables. The
whole book telling me the opposite of that. Your conclusion is you should have
like seven servings of vegetables a day. I was totally disappointed when I got
to read that book. And I think he just put that in there.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Covering his ass.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, to kind of keep from being beat up. But I almost have no
vegetables.
Lawrence Rosenberg: What about carbs?
Dr. John Jaquish: Very limited amount of Carbohydrates, very limited. And then,
and of course I try and have those in a window, like right after the workout.
So, you replenish your glycogen.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: Even bodybuilders know that trick.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Well, they got one trick right.
Dr. John Jaquish: I’m sure they couldn’t explain why it works, but some of them
could, as long as there’s the video that shows them how to do it, nothing
written. Right. So basically, or maybe a little bit of rice after a workout for
glycogen, and then the rest of it just carnivore.
Lawrence Rosenberg: That’s powerful. So, I wanted to actually ask you a question
that I forgot to ask when we were talking about Mentzer and inventions. So
again, we’ve established that free weights are a waste of time. The machines are
even worse, but what were your thoughts about Arthur Jones and Nautilus? Is that
just as much garbage as everything else?
Dr. John Jaquish: No. Arthur was great.
Lawrence Rosenberg: That’s what I want to hear.
Dr. John Jaquish: He was so brilliant.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: I’ve read every word that that guy has written 20 times.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Wow.
Dr. John Jaquish: Hoping that there’s something implied that was a message to
me. My admiration for Arthur Jones is almost on a spiritual level.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Wow.
Dr. John Jaquish: That guy, he understood that the body has variable capacities
to create force, which is training variable resistance. He just didn’t get the
ratios right. You know, he would use X at the bottom and 1.2 X at the top.
Whereas if he had seen my research, the guy probably would have grown three feet
taller because it was like, ‘Oh, this is the actual documentation of maximum
capability in the most powerful ranges of motion, the gymnastics research, the
impact absorption research.’ So, then we probably would have worked together on
this. So, to look at how we could really grab a hold of weak range to strong
range and exhaust the whole muscle through one experience. And it was like he
was going in the direction that I went. I think his ultimate conclusion would
have been X3 Bar
. He just didn’t live long enough.
Lawrence Rosenberg: That’s amazing. Absolutely amazing.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Yeah. And also, he pretty much taught Mentzer everything
Mentzer was [crosstalk] yeah.
Lawrence Rosenberg: That’s right. That’s right. So one other question, and then
I want to just move into just something a little bit different akin to the first
question I asked you, because I really want to understand a bit more about your
psychology and your success and how you view that kind of thing. But one last
question about physical fitness and how this all relates to getting in great
shape and being vibrant and healthy and strong. The biggest domino I’ve heard
you topple is this whole idea about cardio. So, everyone you talk to in fitness,
cardio is an absolute must. There are those that are going to say, it’s for
heart health. There are those that are going to say it’s to lose body fat, but
there is almost no one saying you don’t need to do cardio. You shouldn’t cardio.
And then they even come up with, ‘Well, steady state cardio burns fat but if you
do sprints, that’ll really get your ripped.’ I mean, there’s all kinds of
stories where I’m like, ‘Everyone should be doing cardio’, but I’ve heard you
just completely topple that dogma. Tell us about cardio.
Dr. John Jaquish: Let me start with the high intensity intervals.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: The high intensity intervals are effective for accelerated
loss of body fat. Not because of what’s going on with the cardiovascular system.
It’s because the faster you move, the more stabilization firing and what do we
get from stabilization firing? Growth hormone.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Wow.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. Look at the skull of a sprinter. It looks like it’s
lined up with a laser. The whole body is moving. They’re throwing their hand
back. So, their twist to the pelvis is more, so the foot strike can have a
longer stride.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: The whole body’s moving yet, the skull is absolutely still
because they’re not trying to conserve energy. They’re trying to maximize energy
expenditure to propel themselves as fast as possible. Whereas someone who is
running distance, not doing intervals, doing steady state cardio, you see their
skull bobbing up and down because they’re trying to minimize the amount of
energy usage.
So, they don’t need to stabilize the skull. They don’t need to switch on more
muscle. In fact, they’re trying to switch on less muscle to use less energy. So,
if you look at the stance of a distance runner, they’re kind of leaning forward,
they’re sort of perpetually falling and catching themselves with the next
stride, which is short, very short strides,
Lawrence Rosenberg: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. So, the answer is growth hormone, it stabilization
firing.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Wow.
Dr. John Jaquish: It’s got absolutely nothing to do with the cardiovascular
system. So, I would say use X3 Bar
, cause you get the maximum amount
of the stabilization bar. When I do an overhead press and I’m holding 150 pounds
over my head with X3 Bar
. Well, what’s my core doing? Well, my core
is just vibrating, it’s a jackhammer. That’s all stabilization firing, my growth
hormone is going through the roof. So, that’s a sprint right there.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Dr. John Jaquish: Same thing. The body doesn’t know the difference. It doesn’t
know far you went. Now, if you want to do it without strength training, jump
rope. Every time you hit the ground; every stabilizer has to fire to keep you
from tipping over like a bowling pin.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: You ever seen guys who were boxers, and are like, ‘The only
way to get ripped is jump rope.’ And that’s been around since the 1960s and
people laugh at, and it’s like, ‘You’re hopping a millimeter off the ground and
not doing anything.’
Lawrence Rosenberg: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: It’s the anything, define anything. Something very profound
and is happening in that tiny loop of movement. And it’s an up regulation of
growth hormone.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Amazing.
Dr. John Jaquish: So that’s why lipolysis is so aggressive. So, okay. We address
the interval and sprint time in strength training. Now, Yes. Social media has
shown us, and this is true of very many subjects, nutrition, fitness, politics,
people want to read and see the bullshit they already believe is true. That’s
why whether you like the president of the United States or not, I have a lot of
friends, I live in the people’s Republic of San Francisco and a lot of people
live here. I’m not even a guy who’s radically on one side or the other.
I pretty much think stupidity is universal. And I laugh at some people,
especially some of my friends who, they’ll find an article and I’ll be like,
‘Oh, you did some research to find this article.’ And they go, ‘yeah’, they’re
proud of themselves. And I got like, ‘What did you type? Trump is a jerk?’ Is
that your scientific search term? You’re an idiot. You’re not going to find
anything worth reading if that’s the way you’re researching. But think of heavy
people. There’s a lot of heavy people that go to look for a weight loss program
out to lose body fat while eating Twinkies.
And this guy I was talking about earlier, a guy that says, ‘Eat candy bars and
you lose all the weight you want.’ That’s how he sells his programs. I mean I
don’t have a picture of all of his users, he doesn’t even have that, but you got
to think like anybody with a brain knows it’s not true. Or he’s putting them in
a core deficit, so they’re actually losing muscle instead of body fat.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: Which is what bodybuilders are really good at. They get in
great shape and they’re like, ‘I gotta cut.’ And then they go on a really
aggressive calorie deficit and they lose just as much muscle as they do body
fat. So, when somebody asks me, why don’t I do cardio, I say, ‘Well, there’s
actually no such thing as cardio.’ So, it’s not that I don’t do it. I train my
heart. I have better cardiovascular endurance than many distance runners. In
fact, when I do the whole battery of tests, there was a test I did at some kind
of multi physician clinic that had all kinds of physical performance. It was in
New Jersey.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Dr. John Jaquish: Basically, they were going to give you your physiological age.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Okay
Dr. John Jaquish: And I’m not a kid anymore, but they told me I was
physiologically 19 years old.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Jesus.
Dr. John Jaquish: I thought it was pretty cool because of my lung function, my
cardiac function, my muscular strength function, blood work, C-reactive
proteins.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: You’ve got inflammation markers in the blood, whole battery of
tests. And yeah, so it just determined that I was as healthy as an athletic
19-year-old. And the reason I bring that up is for the cardiac health. Strength
training is cardiovascular training, but people are confused because the bigger
a muscle becomes, the more blood it draws, which creates the illusion of poor
endurance. So, the ability to run 20 miles and the health of your heart are two
unrelated subjects, right?
Lawrence Rosenberg: Unbelievable.
Dr. John Jaquish: I mean, if you see a 240-pound running back in the NFL, can
that guy run 20 miles? Absolutely not. You think he has good cardiovascular
endurance? Absolutely he does. So, he just can’t run as far, but it doesn’t
speak to how much blood his heart can pump with efficiency.
So, there were a couple of studies. I mean, these are double blind, randomized
controlled trials.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: Really good studies looking at cardiac function in strength
athletes and in endurance athletes. And the reason I say there’s no such thing
as cardio, is cardio is just really bad strength training that makes you weaker
instead of stronger because it shoots cortisol up and cortisol does two things,
protects body fat. So, it keeps you fatter longer.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: And sacrifices muscle mass. So, when people do a lot of cardio
and they lose weight, they’re losing muscle. And then of course the less muscle
they have, the more impact is felt in the joints.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Dr. John Jaquish: As opposed to discharged. You got to think your muscles are
like shock absorbers for when you contact the ground or contact anything, but
you’re making those shock absorbers weaker and putting more force into the bone
and the tendons and the ligaments. So joint damage, rapid loss of muscle,
protection of body fat, if not gaining more body fat.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: It’s the opposite of what everybody wants. Now, of course, if
you want to be a marathon runner, there’s only one way to do that. You go run
marathons.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Yup.
Dr. John Jaquish: But don’t be fooled into the idea that you’re going to look
like an NFL running back by running marathons, not going to happen. It’s two
opposite directions
Lawrence Rosenberg: Completely, completely unrelated then completely unrelated.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. And if you ever see a running back who decides to go run
marathons, his physique disappears, it just turns into a really feeble looking
guy.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Yeah. I mean, I of course fell into the myth that it’s a
great way to lose body fat years ago and couldn’t understand why I had
[crosstalk] less muscle and more body fat from running seven miles a day. But
what you were talking about before is cognitive bias, right? You look for
information that supports, right, your preconceived notions. And it’s almost
like everything we’re talking about here is the opposite of popular knowledge,
right? Conventional wisdom is.
Dr. John Jaquish: There’s not a lot of wisdom in conventional wisdom.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Exactly. Amazing stuff. So, outside of what you’ve
accomplished so far and what you’re doing now. I mean, clearly, you’re super
passionate about it. You’re super knowledgeable about the benefits of
X3 Bar
and OsteoStrong, you’re actually living this truth and a
great representative for the brand and for the inventions that you’ve created.
So where does Dr. Jay Quish go next? Right? I mean, you’re a guy that hangs out
with Tony Robbins, your very success oriented, so what’s next for you? Are you
working on any other inventions? Where do you see yourself going from here over
the next 5 to 10 years?
Dr. John Jaquish: Well, I still have to be the guy who’s driving the science of
Osteostrong and the science of X3 Bar
.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Dr. John Jaquish: So, I have some big tasks in front of me with my two current
ones, but there’s some products on the way, for sure.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Really. That’s exciting.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, and some of them may be in places that people are really
surprised.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Really?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Yeah. I’ve.
Dr. John Jaquish: … Yeah. Well, I have 300 patents worldwide.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Really?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. So, I got to get some patents nailed down. The first
step is just exploring that you can get a patent.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Yes.
Dr. John Jaquish: Here’s a couple of things I’d like to do. I made, I would say,
myself and my co-author Henry Alkire, we’re coming out with a book in a couple
of months.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, it’s already in final revisions. In that book, we lay
out something really profound about time restricted eating. And it’s something
that when we discovered it in clinical literature, but researchers didn’t know
what it meant. So, it was described as like, we don’t know what this means, but
we found this, and I read it and I’m like, I know exactly what that is. Time
restricted eating. So right now, what I’m doing is I’m eating in a four-hour
window.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: Kind of a late lunch and an early dinner.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: But then I don’t eat anything for 44 hours after that. So, two
day fasting period. And sometimes I’ll even go like three days.
Lawrence Rosenberg: So, hold on, you’re 240 with the body fat that you have, and
you’re going 44 hours, sometimes even three days fasting, holding that kind of
muscle?
Dr. John Jaquish: You don’t lose muscle when you fast.
Lawrence Rosenberg: I love this.
Dr. John Jaquish: You just lose body count because you grow from skyrockets
because it’s the anti-catabolic. Basically, your body’s saying, we’re not able
to get a meal right now so the last thing we want to do is make this guy weaker
because he’s got to be able to catch the food. So, let’s go into body fat
stores, right? I mean, I just get leaner or stay lean by doing that. And then
when I eat, this is what the big discovery is, and this is what some new
products maybe focused around.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: There is very strong evidence, incredibly strong evidence that
after you don’t eat for a significant period of time, 40 plus hours, you eat
something, and there is a massive anabolic effect, way beyond growth factors
we’ve mentioned so far.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Wow.
Dr. John Jaquish: So, by doing this … So, my second year of
X3 Bar
, I’m going on 15 pounds. My third year of X3 Bar
I put on 20 pounds, I’ve actually gained more this year than I did last year.
Lawrence Rosenberg: I mean, you look bigger, I’ve seen pictures of you, you
definitely look like you’ve put on more mass.
Dr. John Jaquish: No.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Crazy.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Absolutely crazy. I’m looking forward to hearing about this.
So, you said you’re coming out with a book or a paper, what was it?
Dr. John Jaquish: A book. It’ll be a 300-page book with over 250 scientific
references.
Lawrence Rosenberg: When is it coming out?
Dr. John Jaquish: Three months.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Three months. Have you named it yet? Is there a name for it?
Dr. John Jaquish: Oh yeah.
Weightlifting Is a Waste of Time and So Is Cardio
.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Seriously, is that the name of it?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Lawrence Rosenberg: That’s fucking brilliant.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, the four words written by Forrest Griffin. I have an
endorsement from the Miami Heat, but they’re not using weights, they’re just
using X3 Bar
.
Lawrence Rosenberg: That is awesome.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. There’s a lot of pros. I got endorsements from Ben
Greenfields, from a medical doctor at NASA. And actually, she’s at SpaceX at the
moment, they’re doing sort of an internship program. Doctors and the scientific
community were very leery about my claims of
Osteogenic Loading
because it steps on
some toes in that field, right?
Lawrence Rosenberg: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: But when it comes to strength and musculature, so the two
greatest drivers of long life are being strong and being lean.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: Those are unrefuted. Whereas like someone says, ‘Oh, eat
vegetables or don’t eat vegetables or eat meat or don’t meat,’ there’re all
kinds of conflicting research, mostly because in Nabisco because they know
vegans don’t actually eat vegetables they eat like-
Lawrence Rosenberg: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: Cookies and crackers and candy bars and shit.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: We all know.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Well, I mean, [crosstalk] that’s what it says, right? It
says vegan friendly.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, every candy bar, it says vegan friendly. Yeah, whoever
decided that should be okay, that guy should just get thrown down in one flight
of stairs. But yeah. So, where was I? We were-
Speaker 1: Vegans.
Dr. John Jaquish: Lost my train of thought. Yeah, it was before that. Yeah, just
things covered in the book and it’s definitely going to rattle some cages, but
like you said, I’m already the most hated guy in the fitness industry, so …
Lawrence Rosenberg: You might as well push it further. Yeah. I mean, it’s really
exciting. I can’t wait until that book comes out. So just a couple more
questions for you, Dr. Jaquish, okay-
Dr. John Jaquish: No, you said it right the first time, it’s Jaquish.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Jaquish.
Dr. John Jaquish: You changed it later on, Jaquish, so like Jake and wish.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Got you. Thank you, Jaquish. So,
Dr. Jaquish, do you have like a daily routine that you follow that kind of keeps
you … You hear a lot of people that are highly successful. One of the things
that they’re really big on is having like a daily routine that they practice,
whether it’s when they first wake up or at some point, and clearly one of your
huge daily routines is using X3 Bar
and training, but is there any
[crosstalk]
Dr. John Jaquish: So, I’m not as routine-based as I would like to be, because up
until just a few months ago, I was flying 200,000 miles a year because
Osteostrong is in eight different countries. So, I’m flying to Australia,
Iceland, United Kingdom, Sweden. And right before that, I was doing a lot of
business in Finland and in Russia, I don’t make anything in China anymore, but I
used to years and years ago. So, having a routine when you travel that much, is
like, it’s just not happening. So, I’m getting a little bit better about that
now. Now, X3 Bar
had to fit in wherever it fit in with [inaudible]
So that would kind of suck because I’d be there to support the local clinics,
and I don’t like working out first thing in the morning, it’s not my thing.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. I’m not nearly as powerful as if I can get a little bit
of caffeine in me and start moving a little bit and feel a little more coherent.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: It’s just the way I am.
Lawrence Rosenberg: So, when do you usually train, what time of the day do you
usually train?
Dr. John Jaquish: Noon.
Lawrence Rosenberg: And is it fasted training or have you eaten something?
Dr. John Jaquish: Oh, it is.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Always fasted.
Dr. John Jaquish: You don’t want anything in your stomach when you train because
it’s just, less blood would go to the muscle.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Absolutely. Yep.
Dr. John Jaquish: Well.
Lawrence Rosenberg: So, what motivates you? Like what inspires you?
Dr. John Jaquish: There’s a couple of people that inspire me. I have a pretty
sweet girlfriend and you can probably hear her giggle, and she’s over there. I
admire her a lot because she’s sweet, I am not sweet. So, like really trying to
be a little more like her sometimes.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Maybe instead of telling somebody that they should
probably fall down a long flight of stairs, maybe I’ll just be like, yeah, you
and I just disagree. Yeah. So, there’s a lot I admire people that have some
[inaudible]
Lawrence Rosenberg: Wo.
Dr. John Jaquish: My zoom background is a small child made out of ground beef,
let me change that. Do you see the eyes? It’s terrible. I clearly did not have a
serious phone call on zoom. Damn it, how do I fix this?
Lawrence Rosenberg: It’s amazing.
Dr. John Jaquish: Okay, virtual background here we go. There we go.
Lawrence Rosenberg: All right, we’re back. Excellent. So we were talking about
the type of people that inspire you, I mean, you’re clearly super confident,
very passionate, you seem very driven as well, have you always been this driven
to do the thing … I know you talk about not having the fear of taking action
but going for it, you said your father is a very successful father, what were
some of the lessons that you took from him and have you always been this driven?
Dr. John Jaquish: I think when you’re excited about something, there’s just
nothing better, like, I can’t help it. Now, I’m also very black and white,
either I’m very excited about something or I just don’t care. Like somebody
talks to me about the economy, I’m very excited about politics and economics
though we won’t cover that subject now, but it’s like, I’m into it, I pay
attention to it, I try and understand as best I can.
But at the same time, somebody could talk to me about Buffalo migration or
something and I’m like, dude, no [inaudible] Unless they’re dying off or
something, I’m not [inaudible]
Lawrence Rosenberg: Yes, it’s easy to be driven when you’re excited about
something.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. And I just try to work on things I’m excited about.
Lawrence Rosenberg: So, what were you doing before? You came up with the idea to
help your mom and you did this research. What were you doing?
Dr. John Jaquish: I was doing software sales, enterprise software sales. Working
for a B2B solution, customer relationship management type thing.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Wow. Dr. John Jaquish: In both financial services space and
in entertainment space. So, my earlier clients were Kelly Clarkson, NSYNC.
Lawrence Rosenberg: What?
Dr. John Jaquish: Hall & Oates.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Really?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. That was fun. It was fun, giving the customers a great
experience. So like Hall & Oates, they kind of made a comeback, I don’t know,
when was that? 15 years ago. And we launched some digital products for them,
which helped build relationships with their customers. And so, we were
instrumental in their comeback.
Lawrence Rosenberg: I love that.
Dr. John Jaquish: So that’s what I was doing. And I mean, was I excited about
that? Yeah, but not like this.
Lawrence Rosenberg: And what lessons did you take from your dad that you think
have helped you achieve what you’ve achieved?
Dr. John Jaquish: It’s really tough. He’s a really interesting guy and he knows
a lot. One of the things I got from him is he has no fear of public speaking.
And I think everyone’s born with a fear of standing up in front of everybody
saying something because nobody wants to look like a dummy. Nobody wants to be
wrong. Nobody wants to look silly. Nobody wants to be the guy who people go,
God, look at this jerk. My dad was just fearless when it came to that and I’d go
to conferences where he would speak, and there were just hundreds of people
there hanging on his every word, and I just admired it. And I just decided that
I was going to be just like that.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Really?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. That was important to me, for sure.
Lawrence Rosenberg: And I think that kind of ties into what you said about, not
having that fear, taking action, doing it anyway, you really do come across as
… I think there’s a book, I forgot the name of the author. I forgot her name,
but it’s The Subtle Art of Not Giving A Fuck, I don’t know if you’ve heard of
that.
Dr. John Jaquish: My girlfriend has, do you know the author?
Speaker 1: No, I can [inaudible]
Dr. John Jaquish: No, no. Yeah, I’ve definitely seen the book.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Yeah. That’s kind of how you come across. I mean, it just
doesn’t matter to you.
Dr. John Jaquish: Successful people don’t, like Elon Musk gets criticized all
the time and he’s constantly doing things that people said he could never do. I
really admire that guy for that. Not just for his electric car.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: I mean, it’s not my style. I wouldn’t want one. I drive a
Lamborghini.
Lawrence Rosenberg: I’ve seen those.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yes. But that guy just doesn’t care. Steve jobs just didn’t
care.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: Like him or not, our president just doesn’t care. He still
doesn’t care when somebody criticizes him for doing something, he’ll do it four
or five more times. And I got a strange feeling he’s a lot more popular than
people think he is.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Yeah. I think-
Dr. John Jaquish: I think the elections are going to come around and people are
going to be like, oh yeah, everybody hates the president. And they’re going to
find out that really not a lot of people hate the president. 10% of the really
loud people do, but nobody else really does because he didn’t get elected
gentlemen of the United States, he got elected president of United States and
leadership sucks. It’s not a fun job. So, he’s got to make tough decisions and
when you make a policy decision of any kind, and this is true of any president.
I felt sorry for Obama. Like everything he would do, half the country would be
like, oh yeah, this guy, let’s throw him out. Like what a thankless job. But
anyway, my point is you can’t give a fuck.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Powerful advice, man. Powerful advice. So, Dr. Jaquish thank
you so much for showing up here and kind of-
Dr. John Jaquish: [inaudible] this is great.
Lawrence Rosenberg: No, man, I’m telling you just like, you’re a very genuine
guy, successful as you are, and it’s kind of awesome getting some insight into
your thoughts and how you think and what it is that you’ve achieved so far and
what it is you’re going to achieve because I’m very confident that some other
big things that would be coming from your endeavors and it excites me. So where
can our listeners follow you if they want to follow you and [inaudible]
Dr. John Jaquish: Well, if they’re interested in the products, they can go to
Jaquishbiomedical.com.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: That’s J-A-Q-U-I-S-H or X3bar.com
, most people are
looking for X3 Bar
. And then on social media, it’s Dr. John Jaquish
on Facebook and then Instagram, it’s D-R-J-A-Q-U-I-S-H.
@drjaquish
And I give away a lot of,
sort of free health advice on Instagram and Facebook. So, follow me on either.
Lawrence Rosenberg: And you’ve got to re-launch that show you were doing about-
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. It’s funny, I was so anti YouTube because I just look at
the comments on YouTube and I just think, who are the inmates who they let have
computers? Like these guys are just garbage human beings, but it’s a combination
between the sort of jealousy driven nature of the fitness industry, by the way,
medical industry has no trolling whatsoever. It’s hilarious. Like sometimes the
doctor will show up with a serious question, and then you answer that question
with data and they’re like, thank you very much. I’m definitely going to
recommend your solution to my patients. That’s like the hardest conversation you
have in medicine. But fitness, talking to the average, not really bodybuilding,
but bodybuilding fan, is sort of like playing chess with a pigeon because
what’ll happen is you’ll win and then they’ll knock over all the pieces, shit on
the board, puff their chest out and act like they won the argument.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: Even though they don’t even understand the words being used in
the argument. Like most of these people are unsavable.
Lawrence Rosenberg: right.
Dr. John Jaquish: So, I really didn’t like YouTube because of that low level of
intelligence that is just notorious there. And like I said, fitness is so
jealousy driven, so ego driven, who looks better than who, who has better abs
than who, which is also not science, who cares? Like that’s ridiculous.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: But anyway, it’s just gotten such a nature like that, but I’m
doing it anyway.
Lawrence Rosenberg: You got to do it. It was great little show, I enjoy that.
And when your book comes out, I mean, that’s perfect segue for that show. And I
got to tell you one last thing, I’ll say this, you’re the best spokesman for
X3 Bar
that there could be. Part of this conversation has convinced
me. I mean, I’m buying the X3 Bar
, right? This weekend after
speaking-
Dr. John Jaquish: Awesome.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Yeah. After speaking with you, and honestly, I did a fair
bit of research on you in order to have this conversation and just seeing
everything you’ve described, you don’t have to sell the X3 Bar
, you
don’t have to promote it. Like you said, if you’re intelligent, then how could
you be training any other way going forward?
Dr. John Jaquish: No, all people have to do is listen or read. Even sort of the
sideways hat, bodybuilder guy, bodybuilder fan, there’s a lot of guys like that,
that are kind of higher-level trained guys that hang out at Chris Bell’s Gym.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Yeah, Chris Bell.
Dr. John Jaquish: Chris Bell’s Gym Super Training in Sacramento. Like sometimes
there’ll be like, I see your ads, your product just seems really stupid to me.
And I’m like, well, tell me why. And they really don’t have a reason. They’re
just like, well, you need weights. And I’m like, prove it, show me the study on
that, that you need weights. You don’t need weights. Your central nervous system
doesn’t know weight. But what it does know is capacity and range of motion,
which weights completely do not address, in fact, go against. And so, they’re
like, okay, I’m listening. And then after I explain it, they’re like, where do I
get one? I get every time, where do I get one?
Lawrence Rosenberg: Right. That’s brilliant, that’s great. Well, I’m going to
look forward to getting it, look forward to using it. And I hope when the book
comes out, you’ll come on the show again.
Dr. John Jaquish: I will do it, definitely. This is a great show. You had great
questions. I love them.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Thank you so much, Dr.
Dr. John Jaquish: Awesome, bye.
Lawrence Rosenberg: It’s awesome speaking to you.
Dr. John Jaquish: Thanks so much.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Have a great weekend.
Dr. John Jaquish: You too.
Lawrence Rosenberg: Thank you.
Dr. John Jaquish: All right. Bye, bye.