By The Hacked Life Podcast on June 3, 2020

Fasting For Muscle Growth, TRT, The Anabolic Method For Carbohydrates & How X3 Bar Nullifies Genetic Advantages (Part 2 of 2)

Fasting For Muscle Growth, TRT, The Anabolic Method For Carbohydrates & How X3 Bar Nullifies Genetic Advantages (Part 2 of 2)

Carbs are not a macronutrient - Dr Jaquish

This week’s episode is part two of last week’s episode with Dr John Jaquish. If you missed that episode, you really want to tune in so that this episode has some context. Nonetheless, in this episode Dr Jaquish discusses some of the fallacies with Testosterone Replacement Therapy (TRT) and why so many people think he is “cheating” or that his muscle growth is artificial because he uses TRT. He explains why this is completely false. He talks about genetics and how it relates to muscle growth, some of his favorite biohacks, his diet and routines, the only time he actually eats carbohydrates, and he answers all of the X3 Bar Facebook User’s Group questions. Enjoy!


2:24 - Testosterone Replacement Therapy (TRT) fallacies 18:30 - Do genetics matter for muscle growth? 25:00 - The number one thing Dr Jaquish gets trolled about 36:00 - Lightning Round Questions 39:38 - A choice that made Dr Jaquish who he is today 46:40 - Dr Jaquish’s favorite biohack & how he pissed Tony Robbins off 1:09:40 - Grass-fed beef vs factory produced meats 1:22:16 - Dr Jaquish’s diet and daily routine right now 1:27:34 - An anabolic method for applying carbohydrates 1:32:41 - Vivid dreams and sleep hacks

Full Transcript

Joel Evan: All right. Let’s switch gears. TRT.

Dr. John Jaquish: TRT.

Joel Evan: This is a controversial one for you. Not for you-

Dr. John Jaquish: No, not for me at all.

Joel Evan: But I constantly hear, even other guys I follow they’re like, ‘Yeah, that guy’s bullshit because he uses a TRT.’ And I’m like-

Dr. John Jaquish: They don’t know what TRT means.

Joel Evan: Yeah, so-

Dr. John Jaquish: I love how they’re internet experts on a subject that they can’t even define the word. Because the R in TRT means replacement. So, if you have a low level of testosterone, you replace it with TRT, then you have a normal level of testosterone. So that’s what it is. I get… Well, I don’t read my own messages, my assistant does.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: And she probably gets 10 messages a day, ‘How do I get on TRT?’ Because that is the stupidest question, because you don’t want to be on TRT unless you need it.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s like, ‘How do I get an artificial limb?’ Well, you’ve got to be missing a limb first. ‘Okay. I’ll cut my leg off so I can get an artificial limb.’ That’s not an advantage. They might look cool but ask an amputee if they’re really happy about their situation. Guessing you’re not going to get a positive response. So, the reason I have a prescription for TRT is I got hit really hard in rugby. I played outside center, which is a wide receiver. You’ve got to run really fast. You don’t wear a cup.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Most people don’t because you can’t really sprint with that. So just got hit really hard. When I got my testosterone… Basically I was having heart palpitations. And so, I went to cardiologist and I’m like, ‘I’m the most fit guy. What’s happening?’ Guys like, ‘Your heart’s not fit.’ I said, ‘What’s going on? How’s that possible?’ A rugby game is 80 minutes of sprinting and stopping. It’s like hit training for 80 minutes. How do I not have a healthy heart? And the guy’s like, ‘I’m going to send you to an endocrinologist. We’re going to get your testosterone checked.’ So, I got my testosterone checked. I had 163 nanograms to the deciliter. Well, normal is 800 to a thousand.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Or 800 to 1200, depending on which literature you’re referring to, and I was at 163. So, they’re like, ‘Well, that’s the problem. The most testosterone receptors in the body are in the heart and you’re not making enough testosterone.’ And so, I got the prescription for TRT. Now, the difference, I put on over the course of 12 years, maybe five pounds of muscle, which I probably should have done more because I was working out the whole time anyway. So, it did not have a muscular benefit at all. Now what it did have… Because there was a few years in between that bad rugby hit and when I got diagnosed with a weak cardiovascular system.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, in those years I got used to very slowly, a new homeostasis. I didn’t realize I was low in energy. I didn’t realize that I basically felt like shit. So then what happened when I got the replacement therapy is I felt awesome. I felt like I had energy. I felt like me again. I felt like me in high school again. You feel super. But if TRT really did anything, then people in their twenties would all look like pro bodybuilders.

Joel Evan: Of course.

Dr. John Jaquish: And they all look like nothing, right?

Joel Evan: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: They look like regular people, nothing special.

Joel Evan: Because their testosterone’s 800, 1200, right.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. It actually gets a little bit higher in the thirties, but then people stop moving. So, they’re not exercising as hard. Yeah, I have found that surprising too, but there’s quite a bit of research on-

Joel Evan: Really? Because I thought our goal was-

Dr. John Jaquish: Your peak testosterone is not when you’re 18, actually.

Joel Evan: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, it’s in your late thirties.

Joel Evan: That’s interesting because I thought our whole goal in life is to procreate and then die. So, I thought that…

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, there’s a lot of that. You’ve got to raise your kids. We are designed to be able to provide and protect our kids because human infants are pretty worthless. They’re helpless. They can’t do anything on their own. A baby deer can basically fend for itself in a couple of weeks.

Joel Evan: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: But an infant human, for years, you’re just helpless. So we’re a little different in that we do have to stick around. But that expression is often used when we talk about diseases of aging. There are certain diseases that will never go away because they manifest after birth of the child, which means that they’ll never be phased out of the gene pool. So, the better disease is the one that kills people before they procreate because that’ll be phased out of the gene pool by definition. But other genetically linked diseases that happened later in life, they’re going to be around forever.

Joel Evan: Yeah. All right.

Dr. John Jaquish: But let’s go back to TRT because we didn’t finish that subject. So, what we look at is, it’s replacement therapy. It’s not an advantage at all. It’s not something you want unless you need it. Now, if you need it, then yeah. I get it. It’s if you’re missing a leg, get a prosthetic. Your life’s going to be much easier, but you don’t want that.

Joel Evan: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: You’d much rather have just a leg.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. I’m really breaking this down here. I gave this some thought.

Joel Evan: For anybody that doesn’t understand.

Dr. John Jaquish: People who scream and point, ‘That guy’s on TRT. He’s cheating.’ These are… So, I got a great story. Before I was in shape, this was two plus years ago, I was just a regular looking guy. I was 20% body fat, 190 pounds. So, I probably look like I worked out sort of.

Joel Evan: And you were on TRT then.

Dr. John Jaquish: I had been on TRT for 12 years then. I got the prescription when I 28.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, I was playing semi-pro rugby then. I looked, sort of like I work out. Already 12 years on TRT, but nobody would imagine that I was into fitness or anything like that. So, I’m at a pool in Vegas and I was actually at the Wynn hotel. I remember this perfectly. And so, this guy was with a girlfriend and he’s explaining how every guy at the pool who’s in better shape than him is on steroids and is a total cheating jerk and like, ‘Oh yeah, that guy definitely, definitely.’ He didn’t point at me probably because I was in earshot, but also, I wasn’t impressive or anything. And I was trying not to look at them, but I really wanted to get a good look at this guy. Because I was like, ‘What a sissy.’

Joel Evan: What a vegan. I didn’t mean it, sorry.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Just, ‘Oh man, stop calling everyone.’ The socialist kids do this too. Everybody that has more money than them stole it from minorities.

Joel Evan: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: Or whatever ludicrous story they come up with to justify the fact that they’re not financially successful.

Joel Evan: Yes.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s like, ‘See, I did it all right. But the reason I’m not financially successful is because I didn’t cheat.’ It’s the same thing. This is the thing that jealous people say, and jealous people thrive on the internet because nobody’s there to really call them out. No one’s there to get in their face. So, they can say all these crazy comments and there’s no repercussions. So, everyone’s tough on the internet.

Joel Evan: Of course, Twitter fingers are strong.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. So, I looked over at this couple and the guy was picking out more guys who were in better shape than him who obviously were on steroids. And the people he was pointing out, they were just fit guys. They were just guys with a bicep vein, maybe four visible abdominals. They go to the gym, like anybody.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: And so, I looked over and the female caught me looking over and she smiled and nodded, ‘Yeah, my boyfriend is so full of shit.’ And I smiled and nodded too. But that’s the mentality. They see me and I’m more fit than they are. So they just want to come up with an excuse.

Joel Evan: They can’t rationalize that you really did this through… That’s the thing.

Dr. John Jaquish: The funny thing is, I have superior nutrition to them because of Fortigen and because of the amount of steak that I eat. I also do fasting, which they probably won’t do because they’d rather eat Twinkies.

Joel Evan: They still make Twinkies?

Dr. John Jaquish: They do. Stuff like that’s never going to go away because there’s always demand for it. Losers got to eat.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. So, if you eat Twinkies, you lose. That’s such a… You guys should write that down.

Joel Evan: Put that in a quote.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. So, they won’t do what I’m doing, and they also won’t buy the X3 Bar resistance band training system. And I get the results from the X3 Bar resistance band bar system. And so superior training and superior nutrition. They won’t do either of those things but then they claim to have it all figured out. And everybody who’s better than him is cheating.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, this is just excuse makers. Babe Ruth said the loudest boos are from the cheap seats.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. That’s where the people boo from. They’re not sitting… They don’t have the dugout… Right above the dugout seats. They’re way up in the sky because they’re losers. They’ve got to make an excuse for everything. They’ve got to ridicule everybody except themselves because it makes them feel better.

Joel Evan: A hundred percent.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s a bullying mentality.

Joel Evan: Yeah. There’s a quote by Kobe Bryan that I like. And I think he said, ‘The haters, they only hate the good ones.’ I like that.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. And I must be amazing because I have so many haters. I even get comments from people who are like, ‘I can’t believe how many haters this guy has.’ And I tell them it’s because I’m making some controversial statements. I’m inviting it.

Joel Evan: Totally.

Dr. John Jaquish: No, I know. It’s common because I’m making more bold statements than probably anybody in the fitness industry is. And I also just inaudible for the fitness industry. When people ask me how long you’ve been in the fitness industry? Never. I’m a scientist. I invent stuff. The fitness industry is just nonsense to me. When they ask me, ‘Oh, do you know about this?’ I don’t follow anybody. If you look at who I follow, it’s mostly the people who are unconventional in their training, who I think would like X3 Bar resistance band training system, that I’m trying to get in conversation with them and maybe get them to completely switch over. Because that’s what I’m really interested in. Not somebody who’ll just throw it into their training, but somebody who is smart enough to understand the research and go, ‘All right, I’m going to totally change up everything and do exactly what Dr. Jaquish says to do.’

Joel Evan: Any bodybuilders? I know there’s a great photo of you with a bodybuilder that you were training with the X3 Bar fitness band bar system. Have any of them been able to embrace it fully and switch? Have you got anybody?

Dr. John Jaquish: Coach Trevor has. The guy who knows the most about SARM’s.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s the only way he’s training right now. So, I am launching a podcast. I don’t know exactly when, but we’ve been recording him and he’s going to be on it. And we’re going to talk about his training. He has a pure bodybuilder following. And when he first started talking about the X3 Bar resistance band bar system, all we got was ridicule. But now that some bodybuilders are starting to wake up to it… Like I said, it’s hard for them because they don’t really have coaches.

Joel Evan: Yeah. It’s a herd of them.

Dr. John Jaquish: Only maybe the top few. They copy each other.

Joel Evan: They feed off each other’s motivation.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. And there’s things that they’ve been doing. There’s hardly a bodybuilder out there that does fasting. There’s hardly a bodybuilder out there that does Carnivore, even though there’s so much research that would lead them to an easier pre-contest dieting path.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Because that’s the hardest thing a body builder has to do is get ready for a show. Get that physique looking like a skin cadaver. Really lean, really sharp, every muscle showing, every vein showing. That’s really hard. And forget about the fistful of chemicals you’ve got to take every few hours to look like that. But the discipline and the nutrition and the way they go about doing it, even though there are better ways to do it, it’s just so much more torturous. But still because the big influencers aren’t doing that, or didn’t do that or Arnold didn’t do it, or Jay Cutler didn’t do it, that’s not how they’re going to do it. They’re going to do it how their favorite guy did it.

Joel Evan: Although, we were talking about it offline, Dorian Yates. I wanted to ask you about that. Because in X3 Bar resistance band bar system, you only do one full outset.

Dr. John Jaquish: One set.

Joel Evan: And I remember reading Muscle and Fitness as a kid. I was 18 and I was going through it and I’d see all these… And Dorian Yates was the one guy if you ask him what his workout is, ‘One set.’ And I didn’t believe it because he’s the only one that was doing it.

Dr. John Jaquish: Mike Mentzer did the same thing.

Joel Evan: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. And coincidentally that’s who trained Dorian. Mike Mentzer. And Arthur Jones.

Joel Evan: And Dorian Yates, is a Mr. Olympia several times for anybody that doesn’t know, right.

Dr. John Jaquish: Mentzer was Mr. Universe.

Joel Evan: Yates.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yates. Yeah, I think he was four or five time, Mr. Olympia. I haven’t really thought about it. I’m friends with some people that are friends with Dorian. I know it’s just a matter of time before I can sit down with them and go over the science because I know… I read Blood and Guts his book, as a kid and I know he would be all over it.

Joel Evan: Oh yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. He would love it. It would be his favorite thing, but I just haven’t had the chance to really get to the right person that I can sit down with him.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: But again, I don’t think he’d really help the brand that much because the typical busy professional, the long haul trucker that stops the truck, gets out, does that in the sun and then eats the roast beef out of the RB sandwich only, and then keeps on trucking. That guy, he’s paying attention to me. He doesn’t know who Dorian Yates is.

Joel Evan: He doesn’t care.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. He’s just happy that he’s leaner and stronger than ever. He feels great even though he sits down all day long.

Joel Evan: Yeah. You mentioned when we were talking about TRT, you mentioned genetics and I know that was something in your book.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yes.

Joel Evan: Can you talk about that at all? Why it matters?

Dr. John Jaquish: So, another excuse people come up with for why they can’t is they don’t have the genetics or whoever succeeds obviously has the genetics and whoever doesn’t succeed, obviously doesn’t. That’s just a false premise. What are you talking about? There is so little instances of genetic outliers when it comes to anabolic hormones being present in the body. Since they started drug testing, there was only one athlete ever to be banned from sports because of their genetic levels of testosterone.

Joel Evan: Who was that?

Dr. John Jaquish: A female, I think her first name is Simone. I think her last name starts with a G and she was from an African country and she just had a sky-high level of testosterone just naturally. And they’re like, ‘You can’t participate in sports because this is such an outlier.’ But that’s happened one time. So, the genetic differences are not hormonal related. The two biggest genetic differences that have been published about in academic journals; number one is birth weight. So, that has to do with how large of a person you turn out to be. So, Magnus ver Magnusson was not born premature.

Joel Evan: No, he wasn’t.

Dr. John Jaquish: I haven’t looked that up, but I’m pretty sure he was probably a large baby. And he grew up to be a large man. Bill Kazmaier. Pretty sure he was a large baby. His mother was not happy when she gave birth to that guy. So, these big people, these big powerful guys, they were born big powerful babies. So that’s one genetic factor. However, that contributes to not just muscularity but more so the size of the individual. So, when you see the strength athlete, that’s six foot eight and 320 pounds and is able to throw kegs over buildings, ‘Okay. Well, that’s a pretty big genetic, drugs aside. That’s a big genetic difference.’ So that’s genetics.

But there are people who are… There are males who are five foot six who are not large individuals, but they can be shredded. And so, they can still be born very, very light and do great from a physique and health standpoint. So, the other one, which I think is much more important is tendon layout. There’s three studies on this and we review them thoroughly in the book. And so, for example, if you look at my arm, most people have a pictorial insertion that’s right about here on the humerus. Some people have a longer lever arm, so they have more mechanical advantage. And their tendon insertion is further down the humerus. So, they have more access.

So, a fighter like Mike Tyson, there’s a reason that his method of fighting was to duck inside. So, you see him, he squats down. So, he’s below the waist of his opponent and gets right up in the guy’s face. And then the upper cuts that he’s delivering only a few inches from his opponent’s face. Nobody could fight like that. This is why his coach, Cus D’ Amato, saw him fight as I think, a 16-year-old and he said, ‘That guy’s going to be heavyweight champion. He’ll be the best heavyweight champion the world’s ever seen.’

He watched him for an hour, and he knew it because he knew that his natural stance was to get so close that the other guy couldn’t strike back. So, it was just a reflex for Mike, but it was a reality of genetic advantage. So, this is when somebody has good genetics. This is really the only thing that matters. However, X3 Bar exercise band bar system makes this irrelevant because whether you have an advantageous tendon layout or a disadvantageous tendon layout, it only affects a weaker range of motion. Because when you’re just short of lockout, when you’re here in a chest press… I keep using chest press as an example because I’m sitting down.

Joel Evan: That’s the best one.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. So, when you’re right here, mechanical advantage doesn’t matter as much in the stronger range. The stronger range is the stronger range for everybody. It’s the level of variants that’s different. So, some people may be able to handle X here and 7X here. Other people may be able to handle X here and 4X here, but it doesn’t really matter because they’re fatiguing the muscle completely when they’re out here. And those people who have the less variance, their X is a higher number at the bottom. So, when they’re 4X, they’re actually able to lift more. It’s just the difference isn’t so great because they have access to more musculature in the weaker range of motion.

But X3 Bar portable home gym makes this completely irrelevant, which is why… And on the forum, Maykell he’s been lifting weights for 20 years and he’d been very serious about it. And he said, ‘I just started growing with X3 Bar resistance band training system. Whereas I worked so hard for 20 years.’ He said he got more out of X3 Bar variable resistance training system in six months than he did in 20 years of lifting. And the tendon layout, that is a… Now we don’t have enough information to do MRI’s on people to find out if they have an advantageous tendon layout or not. But we do know when somebody’s been training for years and years and haven’t put on a lot of mass or gained a lot of strength, they probably don’t have that genetic advantage. But X3 Bar resistance band training system just takes that off the table completely. And everybody can grow the same.

Joel Evan: That’s amazing. I want to get into lightning round of questions. Before I do, is there any question that I didn’t ask you? Because I know the books coming out and there’s just… We covered a lot, but is there anything that I didn’t ask that you’re?

Dr. John Jaquish: We talked about a lot of stuff. So, in the extra users group, you threw out the question, ‘Any questions that you’d like to ask Dr. Jaquish?’ And there’s a lot of people who had some good questions and some terrible questions. Some questions that are answered daily on that forum. It’s amazing how people don’t pay attention. They just wander in.

Joel Evan: There’s a search button.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, there’s a search button. That’s right. Nobody can find it apparently.

Joel Evan: Write that down.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. It’s amazing how few people pay attention to that. But some of those questions were good. One thing I get trolled on and I do want you to ask this, is people make fun of me.

Joel Evan: I know what you’re going to ask. Here we go.

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, A, it’s like Coby says, when you’re a winner, everybody’s looking to tear you down. And so, it’s very obvious that X3 Bar resistance band bar system is a massive winner. It’s the fastest growing brand in fitness. People who have seen the ads are ‘Dude, did you buy Facebook? All I see is your ad. It’s everywhere. You’re everywhere.’ And so.

Dr. John Jaquish: … Everywhere. You’re everywhere. And so people are very jealous over this and trolling on the internet is jealousy based.

Joel Evan: Sure.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, what they go do is they Google me, and they try and find something to make fun of me about. And so, what they’ve grabbed a hold… Well, some people. It’s still pretty obscure, but I get it. I might see it once a week. Whereas the TRT thing, I see it like five times a day.

Joel Evan: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: I went to a very small university, Rushmore University, which is headquartered in the United Kingdom. So now a couple of things-

Joel Evan: That’s for the doctorate?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. That’s where I did my PhD, right. Now, what I did when I wanted to do my PhD was, I had already invented my medical device before I did my PhD, so I wanted to do my dissertation on my own project, that is highly unorthodox. So, I wrote letters to universities and talked to professors, ‘Can I get this done?’ Basically, when you do a PhD, your kind of paying your dues. So they give you a project that you probably would never want, and then you have to work on it for six years, something you don’t care about at all and you have to go very in-depth on that. And so, I didn’t want to do that.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: And I kind of had a… Hey, I’m a capitalist. I’m a huge capitalist, I believe in capitalism, 100%. It’s what created everything you see.

Joel Evan: Yes.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. So, I mean, every chair, every pencil, every building, all created by capitalism. So everyone who’s not in poverty, capitalism.

Joel Evan: Capitalism.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, I’m then like, ‘Wait a minute. I’m the paying customer here. So, I’m going to find a for-profit university, that’s going to understand what I’m offering and I’m going to be able to negotiate with them.’

Joel Evan: Nice.

Dr. John Jaquish: Because when I talked to people at Stanford, you couldn’t negotiate with them. They don’t care. ‘Well, here’s my challenge.’ And they’re like, ‘Hey, we don’t care what your challenge is, go here or not. Yeah. We don’t care.’ And so, I found a university that was very small, that was for-profit. And I said, ‘This is what I want to do.’ And they were like, ‘We are so excited to be associated with what you’re doing, we’re going to give you a scholarship.’ Yeah. And that was Rushmore university, a United Kingdom university. Now, when you were born, you weren’t born with a driver’s license, right?

Joel Evan: No.

Dr. John Jaquish: You had to take a test at some point, probably around 16 years old, right?

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, when Rushmore was started, it did not have accreditation on day one, because accreditation wouldn’t really mean much, if you file for your articles of incorporation and you’re like, ‘Here’s your accreditation.’

Joel Evan: That’s standard though, for everyone. Right?

Dr. John Jaquish: Of course.

Joel Evan: Yeah. Yeah. You don’t… Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: But the academic community does not like the for-profit university because it shines the light on how inefficient they are. And I mean, of course now we’ve got universities that are just indoctrinating people on some sort of political agenda and not even really educating anyone, which is criminal. But aside from that… So, I wanted to go somewhere where I would get the value I wanted. My objective was to be able to author papers that went into great academic journals, and that’s a skill and I wanted it to build that skill. So, my objective wasn’t to be a university professor and get tenure. So, my objective and my job was just to show up every day, nothing against… I know a lot of great professors that worked very hard and are very dedicated, but that’s not what I wanted.

I wanted a skill, and these people were willing to train me in a skill and it made perfect sense, for-profit university. The problem with Rushmore is because of for-profit university, it gets trolled like I do. So it got accreditation in 2009 and I graduated from there in 2012. It got accreditation 2009 from the United Kingdom, which is not a third world country.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s a real place.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: You guys have heard of it, right? Yeah. United Kingdom, London’s there, that’s a nice place too.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, probably not today, but it used to be nice. So, the university gets trolled like I do. In fact, I think they get trolled harder because of me.

Joel Evan: Yeah, probably.

Dr. John Jaquish: Because I’m probably one of their more well-known alumni and-

Joel Evan: It’s because walking around with your Rushmore EDU shirts everywhere you go, that’s why.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right, right, right. I actually got to order some.

Joel Evan: You see?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, I do need to promote the university. And I loved my experience there. This is an adaptation of my PhD dissertation. This was a hugely successful book, especially with how boring it is. As I told you, never read this.

Joel Evan: Yeah, that’s the first thing you told me.

Dr. John Jaquish: This is really boring. Yeah. And hundreds of these sell a month, I still make a lot of money on it. And I know who orders it, doctors order it.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Because they want to know that this bone density technology is the real deal, and they want all the information, and it’s a 200 page book, all the information is there.

Joel Evan: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: And so, they absorb it and they go, ‘Wow. Now I’m going to refer my patients. I get messages daily into my website, which is more on the medical side, where doctors are saying, ‘I read your book. And all my osteoporosis, osteopenic patients are going to be sent to OsteoStrong locations,’ very excited. And so I don’t need to connect with very many doctors, when they refer a hundred people to an OsteoStrong location, that location is doing great.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. So that was really the story of Rushmore. But what I love about the attacks so much is that you’ve heard of an ad hominem fallacy, right? So, it’s a logical fallacy where someone can’t win the argument based on the topic, so they attack the person.

Joel Evan: Of course.

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s an ad hominem fallacy. So, when somebody attacks that, they’re basically saying your science is invincible.

Joel Evan: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: So instead, I’m just going to say, ‘You’re a jerk,’ or, ‘You have a bad haircut.’ Or ‘Steve Jobs made stupid products because he wore ugly mom jeans,’ something like that. It’s like they’re attacking me personally because they cannot defeat the product.

Joel Evan: Correct.

Dr. John Jaquish: By the way, when people buy the product, they’re not getting a glossy picture signed by me. They’re not buying me, they’re buying that.

Joel Evan: You’re right.

Dr. John Jaquish: They’re buying the results.

Joel Evan: They’re buying the science.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. Right. They’re buying the science, and the science is infallible. So, every time I see that it’s like a huge trophy given to me that I created, now two things that are absolutely world changing technologies that are really helping a lot of people.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. They’re just reminding me of how great the technologies are.

Joel Evan: And by the way, Rushmore is accredited. Just put it in, the nail in the coffin. It’s accredited. Go down to the bottom of the right page, circle it. Accredited.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Right. You can see it. It’s so funny, go to Rushmore inaudible, the thing you read, right in the footer, it’s accredited in the United Kingdom.

Joel Evan: You can go to Wikipedia.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Joel Evan: You can do all that. Yes.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Yeah. So I hope I keep getting that criticism because that means that people were too lazy to go to the website and actually check. And they’re just copying what they read somewhere else. But it’s the ad hominem attack that I love. It’s the fact that they know they cannot challenge the science, they have to attack me personally. It’s like when people would attack Steve Jobs for wearing ugly jeans, really? That’s why you’re not going to have an iPhone? That’s why are you going to have something that doesn’t work very well, because you don’t like his pants?

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Okay.

Joel Evan: That was a good reasoning. Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, right.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Well, trolls, they’re stupid.

Joel Evan: So that was it then, nothing else. We asked everything. That was it. That was the only other question.

Dr. John Jaquish: That was the one I was looking forward to, because lot of people are afraid to ask me that and I’m like, ‘No. Yeah, please ask me, I love it.’

Joel Evan: I was actually impressed because there’s like 15 questions I wrote down. I want to do the lightning round questions and then I want to share the user group questions that we’ve had.

Dr. John Jaquish: Okay. Do it.

Joel Evan: Just so everybody knows, you responded to multiple and you’re like, ‘Please ask me this one, please ask me this one.’ So yeah, thank you. I appreciate that.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Well, I like to answer the more controversial questions, where somebody can see a video. There’s just something more powerful about me explaining it as opposed to, ‘Here’s the study that defeats that idea,’ and they’re like, ‘Well, that’s not what so-and-so says.’ And I’m like, ‘Great. I’m not that guy. So why are you here then? Why aren’t you on that guys social media page?’ Probably because you know what I’m saying is traditionally correct.

Joel Evan: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right.

Joel Evan: Right. Yeah. All right. You ready for the lightning round?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Let’s do it.

Joel Evan: All right.

Dr. John Jaquish: By the way, I prepared for none of this, totally unprepared.

Joel Evan: These were not shared with them. This is what we call organic.

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s right.

Joel Evan: If the old you could see the new you, what would the new you say? So if the old you-

Dr. John Jaquish: How long ago are we talking? Like, kid? High school? This is more philosophical than anything.

Joel Evan: You’ve flipped it back on me. I don’t know. I’m the guy asking the questions, you don’t ask me the question.

Dr. John Jaquish: All right, sorry.

Joel Evan: Yeah. So, looking back, what would you tell your younger self?

Dr. John Jaquish: Dude, if I could have told my younger self about that. I would… I don’t know. I hope that I would be like the greatest running back in NFL history. Honestly, the entire time that I could have played American football, high school and undergrad, I was too small. I couldn’t play. Yeah. I was too small to play. When I was freshman year of high school, I weighed 100 pounds.

Joel Evan: What?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. I was 5'2’, 100 pounds. When I graduated, I was 5'9’ and like 130. Because I wrestled. I wrestled 130.

Joel Evan: So, you had to weigh in and everything crosstalk.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. I went to a small high school, so I wrestled 152 sometimes, but I was way under that. And then I only weighed 160 pounds, even my senior year of college.

Joel Evan: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Yeah. And that was rugby. That’s why I played outside center because that’s kind of a smaller, fast guys position. I couldn’t be a forward, I was too small.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: And so I would have told myself about that invention and maybe not launched it then, because I don’t think the world was ready for it when I was in high school. But I would have had a secret unit in my parents’ garage, and I would have turned into the athlete I am now in a 19-year-olds body and I would have done amazing.

Joel Evan: Crushed it.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, because I’m faster now. I’m 43 years old but-

Joel Evan: Injury free.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, injury free. And I have incredible speed and I can do box jumps and beat people who do box jumps. I don’t even do them. I just walk up and do a box jump and people are like, ‘Wow, where do you train how to do that?’ And I’m like, ‘I’ve never tried that before.’

So just the power and the tendon and ligament thickness that I have from the loading, there’s a huge adaptation there. A great study from 1996, Benjamin and Ralphs that looks at the fiber cartilage uptake in the thickness of tendons and ligaments. That’s what we’re doing. Everybody who uses X3 workout bar system is building very powerful tendons and ligaments, it’s going to keep them going forever. Yeah. We’re going to see athleticism in older adults that we’ve never seen before, all because of that.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Joel Evan: The cool thing, I was just thinking as you were talking though, is imagine now the impact that this device is going to have on the kids of this generation.

Dr. John Jaquish: Oh yeah.

Joel Evan: Like what you just said, ‘I didn’t have it, but…’

Dr. John Jaquish: The ones that actually do it and don’t listen to their friends who have like a 1980s Flex magazine that their brother gave them.

Joel Evan: Exactly. Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Joel Evan: All right. Next question. What are some choices that made you who you are?

Dr. John Jaquish: Knowing the difference between learning and education.

Joel Evan: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: I think formal education is varying degrees of disappointing in its delivery.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: But learning… See, most people go to college and they pass classes.

Joel Evan: Yep.

Dr. John Jaquish: I went, and I started… I mean, when I was an undergrad it was like I basically majored in fraternity and minored in rugby, and I also attended some classes. I was very stereotypical. My girlfriend makes fun of me for being a frat boy. I prefer fraternity man.

Joel Evan: Well, you have the engraving to prove it. Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. The brand. Yeah. Yes, yes. She makes fun of me for my Sperrys. Yeah. She says they’re very fratty.

Joel Evan: Very fratty. Yeah. I used to have white shoes too. And then my wife threw them out without me noticing, just so you know.

Dr. John Jaquish: I’ll tell you what, she laughs at me so hard because I probably behave like a college freshman when I’m around my friends, there’s a lot of excessive high fiving. When we get together, there’s like 30 of us that get together at once, which is kind of like that.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Yeah. So, nothing’s changed. Yeah. So yeah, when I went to college, I first went because I wanted to pass classes, graduate.

Joel Evan: Yeah, of course.

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s the goal. But when I would… And my dad never said this. He’s a brilliant guy. He designed and built the Lunar Rover, the car that’s on the moon. He’s a NASA engineer.

Joel Evan: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: But he was never the kind of guy who told me how I needed to behave or what I needed to do, very passive, a passive teacher. So, he was there if I wanted advice, but he never gave me unsolicited advice. But whenever he would ask questions about what I was doing or what I was interested in or what I wanted to do, it’s like, ‘What are you going to learn next?’ And it wasn’t like, ‘What course are you going to take? What credential do you need?’ It’s, ‘What are you going to learn?’

Joel Evan: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: And at some point, that just absorbed. I mean, he probably said it to me a thousand times. And it was like one day, ‘Oh, learning.’ Because that’s how students think.

Joel Evan: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: They want the credential. They’re like, ‘I need a degree.’ But I know people who have no degree who I would hire in a second because they know how to do things. And they know it well, and they know certain subjects well, and then other people who graduated and didn’t learn anything. I know people that went to Ivy League schools that didn’t learn anything, but they graduated.

Joel Evan: And they got a degree, they got a title.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, they got a title out of it, but I wouldn’t hire them.

Joel Evan: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Joel Evan: You know what’s cool too? Is just thinking about how your dad’s influence had to be something, because even for you to go to Rushmore, that to me is a learner, that’s someone who’s like, ‘No, no, no. I’m going to…’

Dr. John Jaquish: Oh yeah.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Because, he said the skill is all that matters. He said, ‘The brand name or the degree only matters with your first job, but you already started a company, so none of that matters at all. Like you want to be able to create writing so that you are taken seriously by physicians,’ because the problem I had, I had already invented the product. I couldn’t get physicians to listen to me because I wasn’t able to author things in a way where they were like, ‘Oh, I got to get this in my practice,’ or, ‘I got to refer all my patients to an OsteoStrong location.’ It wasn’t there yet.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: My writing, now that I look back, it was awful, but I had to really get my head around just the ability to read a study, take a 10 page study and be able to get through it in 20 minutes and understand it. Because I know a lot of people that quote studies and it’s like, ‘Clearly you didn’t understand the study at all because you might’ve quoted the least important thing. And also, you misquoted it because you got it wrong. It actually says the opposite of what you think it says.’ So it’s just seeing it as acquiring an understanding as opposed to just passing classes.

Joel Evan: So good, man.

Dr. John Jaquish: Thanks.

Joel Evan: So good. Yeah. Thanks.

Dr. John Jaquish: All right, next. Keep firing.

Joel Evan: You and I, we love the bio hacking. Other than X3 Bar resistance band training system, are there any hacks or anything that you also liked, like red light therapy or vibration platform, by the way we didn’t talk about that, your vibration platform. But that’s an extra question anyways, but yeah, is there anything that… You said inaudible, is there anything that you do to optimize?

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Dr. John Jaquish: This is going to save a lot of people a lot of money. I don’t do anything.

Joel Evan: Nothing?

Dr. John Jaquish: No.

Joel Evan: That’s great.

Dr. John Jaquish: I just do X3 Bar fitness band bar system, Fortagen. it takes a lot for me to… I see time as very valuable and it’s like, if I wouldn’t do it then is it worth it? Probably not.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Red light therapy takes a long time. Also, with the amount that I travel, I’d have to hustle around a lot of equipment. I like cold therapy if I can jump in cold water. Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Cryotherapy, a lot of guys like to talk about how tough they are because they got in a chamber that was -220. Yeah. When any of that gas was near your skin, it was like maybe 20 degrees. It wasn’t -220. It’s -220 when it comes out of the hose on the floor.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: But when it gets near your skin, you are blasting heat and counterbalancing that, if you were in -220 water, you’d be dead in a 10th of a second. So that whole thing is dumb and it’s not that effective. It’s great to get into cold water.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: So if I can break through the ice and jump in a Lake, I’ll do that.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: I think cold baths are a little torturous because you got to climb in and climb out, but they work.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. They’re great. And that is worth the time, if I have any inflammation. Funny thing is, Tony Robbins has a great full body cryo chamber, you got to wear goggles.

Joel Evan: Oh.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. It’s custom made, of course it is, right? And I was over at his house and he’s trying to get me to go in it. And he was really upset when I’m like, ‘No man, I’m good.’ Because we had work to do. We had stuff we needed to discuss for OsteoStrong.

Joel Evan: It’s like four minutes though, right?

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. I didn’t want to waste the four minutes.

Joel Evan: You didn’t want to waste the four minutes. Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, exactly. And what was so funny was I’m like, ‘Tony, I don’t have any inflammation. You’re a really beat up guy. I feel like I did when I was 16 because I’ve taken care of my joints my entire life, because I understand.’ And I mean he was so mad. It was like he made a cake and he’s just like, ‘You got to have some of my cake.’ And I’m like, ‘No.’

Joel Evan: Yeah, no, I don’t eat that.

Dr. John Jaquish: ‘Sorry. No. No, I’m not eating that.’

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: And he looked like he was ready to fight me.

Joel Evan: He was, by the way, yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Because I didn’t want to get in his giant cryo chamber. Because he’s this giant dude, he’s like 6'8’. I mean, it’s like a giant guy, I don’t care. I don’t need this.

Joel Evan: Four minutes. Four minutes, Dr. Jaquish.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, exactly. I got better things to do with four minutes. Yeah. I can’t even read a book in there, nothing. I just got to stand in there for four minutes, what a waste of time.

Joel Evan: You could have been halfway through an X3 Bar variable resistance training system workout.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Oh, I should add something, it takes me longer than 10 minutes. The bigger a muscle gets, the more cardiovascular resource it needs, right? The more blood it needs. So, it does not take me 10 minutes to get through a workout, it definitely takes me 15, because at every set I’m really…

Joel Evan: Exhausted. I’m glad you said that.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. The bigger a muscle gets more cardiac demand it has. And I mean, I can’t get through a workout in 10 minutes anymore, it’s definitely 15.

Joel Evan: Yeah. Especially after I do the squats with the lunge position.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, the split squats.

Joel Evan: Yeah, the split squats, it takes me a little bit of time to go to the next one.

Dr. John Jaquish: I collapsed on the ground. Yeah. Julie watched me do it yesterday and I’m like on the ground gasping for air. Yeah.

Julie: I’m sure the downstairs neighbors hate us.

Joel Evan: Like a tree for tree falling. Boom.

Dr. John Jaquish: She said, ‘I’m sure the downstairs neighbors hate us.’ Yeah, well they probably hate us, I’m okay with it.

Joel Evan: They’re probably eating salads.

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Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. They’re probably on So, I don’t care about those people.

Julie: Yes.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Joel Evan: I’m a big reader, tell me, I don’t know, one to three books, just like most impactful for you that you’d recommend someone else read.

Dr. John Jaquish: Peter Thiel’s last book was awesome. It was like I could rip the cover off it and just put like, ‘Jaquish Biomedical Business Plan.’

Joel Evan: That’s zero to one, right? Is that what we’re talking about?

Dr. John Jaquish: Zero to One. Yeah. It was like exactly how my company is designed and I already did the company and then read the book. It’s actually Henry, one of the smartest guys I know, he works with me, and he’s like, ‘Dude, you got to read this book. This is like about what we do.’

Joel Evan: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: And it was amazing. And I tell everybody, who’s like, ‘What do I do if I want to start my own business?’ Read that.

Joel Evan: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s the book. People ask me to comment on success, and I can only comment on my success because I don’t like it when people start a business and they do well. And they’re like, ‘Well, here’s what you need to do in business.’ It’s like, ‘No, man. Talk about what you did because not everybody’s going to go out and invent multiple breakthrough products because that’s the hard part.’ There’s also good marketing and there’s a lot of things you got to do right to make it successful, other than-

Joel Evan: Finding the right model, like in your class…

Dr. John Jaquish: There’s a lot of things you got to do right to make it successful, other than-

Joel Evan: Finding the right model, like in your case.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. Right, right, right. Yeah. Forcing myself to be a model. There’s a whole section in the book on me being the model. And the real reason I picked myself was because I knew anybody else would screw it up. Because if I picked some already fit guy, some former Mr. Olympia or something like that, the problem is, would they believe in the research like I do so that they would not throw in some other goofball stuff? And I was like, ‘No. Anybody else would screw this up. I’m the only guy who’s actually going to follow my principles.’ Because at that point, nobody believed me yet. So, I had to be that guy, because I was the only one who was going to use it right.

Joel Evan: And I was thinking about too when we were talking about just If you got some ripped guy or something, you’d be almost feeding into that. And you are the antithesis of

Dr. John Jaquish: Totally. Totally. I did not realize at the time how much people were going to enjoy learning. Probably the most refreshing thing about X3 Bar resistance band bar system is, people actually do want to know why. They do want the answer. People are not lazy. Now I boil it down, it’s usually a couple sentences and here’s a reference. And that’s what the people are looking for. They don’t want to read a book or a paper, but they do want to know why. And that has been incredibly refreshing. That’s going to make a smarter world. Now that I see people behave like that… I don’t know that I’m changing the world, I think there’s a movement where it’s like, somebody makes a broad statement about politics or something like that on Facebook and it’s like, ‘Yeah. Can you give me a reference for that? Can you show me some evidence that that’s actually happening?’

Five years ago, nobody asked for that. They just took it at face value. It was just like, ‘Oh my God. Trump’s an alien? Unbelievable,’ right? Or Hillary Clinton was involved in Jeffrey Epstein’s Island. Okay. Hillary Clinton did a lot of criminal shit, but that is probably not a thing that she did. You look at these things and it’s just like, ‘Yeah. Can you give me a reference on that?’ And if it’s Alex Jones, don’t even bother, because that guy, he does think aliens are here.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Nice guy crosstalk.

Joel Evan: That’s my next question, actually, do you believe that aliens exist? Oops. I’ll take that out.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. What’s the next real question?

Joel Evan: Any rituals? Do you like gratitude journaling? Is there anything that you practice? Because I’m big on that too, it’s just keeping me grounded? Is there anything you do specifically?

Dr. John Jaquish: I’m annoyingly positive.

Joel Evan: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Girlfriend is smiling. She agrees.

Joel Evan: Give me an example. You wake up in the morning and what does annoyingly positive look like?

Dr. John Jaquish: Like everything’s great. I live in San Francisco, right? And you do too. Though there’s homeless people that scream on the street and I’m like, ‘I’m so glad the homeless guy’s screaming because I got to wake up a few minutes early, and I didn’t have to hear my annoying alarm. I got to turn it off before it went off and I’ll get a jumpstart on shaving my face and splashing water in my eyes.’ Yeah. It’s great. Whereas Juliet doesn’t always feel that way. Yeah.

Joel Evan: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Oh yeah. When I’m delayed for a flight it’s like, ‘Sweet. I can get through all my email and I don’t have to use the crappy internet connection on the plane.’

Joel Evan: You are annoyingly positive.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Yeah. And I’m always like, ‘This is great news guys.’ And everyone else is like, ‘This is terrible news. What are you talking about?’ Yeah. So I don’t need a gratitude journal. I am the gratitude journal.

Joel Evan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The walking, living.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Joel Evan: That I think, and X3 portable gym, you will live. Just that alone, you will live for forever.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Joel Evan: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: I have low blood pressure too.

Joel Evan: Yeah. I mean clearly. Yeah. It doesn’t even rile you up.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Joel Evan: Wow. That’s pretty amazing.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Joel Evan: Last but not least. Where can people find you?

Dr. John Jaquish: Dr. Dr. John Jaquish. Last name spelled J-A-Q-U-I-S-H. On Facebook or on Instagram at D-R-J-A-Q-U-I-S-H, @drjaquish, those are the two best places. And of course, the website of the product, at or if you’re specifically interested in X3 Bar portable home gym. The other products are on, like Fortagen and IN-perium and some information about OsteoStrong.

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Joel Evan: Very cool.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Joel Evan: Dr. Jay thanks for being on the show, man.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Thanks for having me.

Joel Evan: And then we’ll finish up. And I got 15 questions or so at the end of the episode, we’ll just do from the users group. Sound good?

Dr. John Jaquish: Do it.

Joel Evan: Yeah. Core exercises. Do you do a warmup or some kind of prehab?

Dr. John Jaquish: No.

Joel Evan: Nothing.

Dr. John Jaquish: No. The first few repetitions are the warmup. The more research on warm up tight movements, you’re just really burning through glycogen and you’re not really avoiding injury.

Joel Evan: Really? Because Kelly Starrett, I always hear him, he’s always saying, ‘You got to get the body hot. The body needs to be hot.’ And I’m sure he has some research. I don’t know.

Dr. John Jaquish: They’re doing CrossFit.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. You know he’s local, right?

Joel Evan: Yeah, yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, yeah.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. When you’re doing explosive movements that were meant to be done once, in one repetition and you’re doing them in rapid succession, which the intelligence of that I could go on for an hour about. So, the basis of CrossFit is like, well okay. But that kind of thing you’ve got to do… What I would do is lighter weight movements and then build into that. But of course, we’re doing that with X3 Bar resistance band training system anyway, because as you go into the movement, your lighter weight and you build into the heavier type movement. But it’s really not that necessary, because you’re moving so slow. And you’re really focusing on control and stabilizing and yeah.

Joel Evan: Cool.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s not really.

Joel Evan: Yeah. Good to know.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. If I’ve been in a car for three hours, I might do some one-foot squats, pistol squats to just kind of balance me a little bit. Get some of the stabilizers firing before I start the workout, just because I’m kind of stiff from sitting for that long. But I don’t feel like I need much other than that.

Joel Evan: Yeah. Somebody asked, ‘Virtual training.’ Do you ever think you’ll do any virtual training?

Dr. John Jaquish: People ask for it, but I kind of give that away for free.

Joel Evan: With the 12-week program, right?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Joel Evan: That is the virtual training.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Years ago, DVDs were seen to have a high value. So when you order P90X it’s like, ‘Oh, they came with 12 DVDs.’ Now a lot of video content is seen as a waste of time. It’s like, ‘What the hell would I want DVDs for? This is just a waste. Just tell me how to do it so I can learn it, so I don’t have to watch the damn video anymore.’

Joel Evan: Right, right, right.

Dr. John Jaquish: So the perceived value of video content has dropped like a rock.

Joel Evan: Yeah. That’s true.

Dr. John Jaquish: So now live virtual training… I’m not intending to sound full of myself with this answer, but if somebody wanted a one-on-one Skype training with me or something like that, there’s a reason I do it with NFL players and pro athletes only. Because I would charge people 2000 bucks an hour. It’s not worth it. Just watch my videos. crosstalk . It’s free. Just watch those. You don’t need me live. My time live, just because of the value of everything I’m doing with OsteoStrong and how much money is on the line for-

Joel Evan: Tony Robbins didn’t get four minutes. What are…

Dr. John Jaquish: Yes. Right.

Joel Evan: Do you know what I mean? So why…

Dr. John Jaquish: Right.

Joel Evan: Why are we… Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: There we go.

Joel Evan: Yeah. Great answer. Do you ever take time off for training? I heard that-

Dr. John Jaquish: You mean like taking a course? Or do you mean exercise?

Joel Evan: No. Exercise. Do you take a break? Do you take two weeks off crosstalk?

Dr. John Jaquish: Oh. No, never, no, no, no, no.

Joel Evan: You still do the two days on, one day off, two days on again, is that…

Dr. John Jaquish: No. I do X3 Bar exercise band bar system six days a week.

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Joel Evan: Oh, you do it six days a week.

Dr. John Jaquish: You got to get further into the-

Joel Evan: It’s still push pull?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Joel Evan: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. It’s every other day.

Joel Evan: Oh okay. So, no time off. crosstalk.

Dr. John Jaquish: Six days a week. I take one day off. Sunday’s my day off.

Joel Evan: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: The Lord’s day, I guess.

Joel Evan: You got to.

Dr. John Jaquish: He’s watching.

Joel Evan: He’s watching. Big guy’s up there.

Dr. John Jaquish: Better make sure that I’m not working out.

Joel Evan: Someone asked, ‘New iPhone update?’ Do you think you’re going to do a new iPhone update? For the app.

Dr. John Jaquish: Oh. I was like, ‘Is Apple going to? How would I know that?’

Joel Evan: For the app.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think we just pushed one a couple of days ago.

Joel Evan: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Joel Evan: Cool.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. I do have a greater vision for what can be done on smartphones and it’s nothing like what we’re doing now and it’s way cooler.

Joel Evan: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: But that’s all I can say about it.

Joel Evan: Okay cool.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joel Evan: Say no more.

Dr. John Jaquish: There will be something awesome on the way.

Joel Evan: I’m excited.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yep.

Joel Evan: It’s going to be… Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: And it won’t require anybody to buy a new bar or anything like that. Because another worry is there’s going to be a microchip in the bar and everyone be Like, ‘Ah, I need a new bar now.’ Yeah. No, we’re not doing that. I don’t want people to have to buy another one.

Joel Evan: Someone asked, ‘Biceps, triceps, calves, what a waste. Why would I do that? Explain why I should do that. Are they just for aesthetic reasons?’ I can get that just from doing-

Dr. John Jaquish: Yep. Curls for the girls. That’s what it’s for. Yeah. Women like guys with big arms, it’s totally aesthetic. In fact, Ben Greenfield asked me that very question and he thought it was going to be like a gotcha thing. And I’m like, ‘Oh no, it’s just for aesthetics.’ Big calves just look good, but you don’t need them.

Joel Evan: No? Not even for jumping, moving. I mean, no? You don’t…

Dr. John Jaquish: No. The deadlift is better for jumping, and the squat is better for jumping than the calf raises. And we isolate that muscles, building a lot of size, not as much power when you get the whole kinetic chain with the deadlift. Because the calves are very involved in the deadlift. Yeah. You could skip all single joint movements, and that’s how Ben Greenfield uses X3 Bar variable resistance training system. Doesn’t do bicep curls, doesn’t do triceps. Yeah. It’s just ~crosstalk~ I don’t know. Yeah. well, I mean, you comb your hair for a reason. You want to look good. You shave for a reason, you want to look good. You shouldn’t have to apologize for wanting to do direct bicep work.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right.

Joel Evan: It’s such a good pump though.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Joel Evan: Women and the X3 Bar resistance band training system. One person was asking about just hormones and is there any differences that, I guess, women should consider when using the X3 Bar resistance band bar system?

Dr. John Jaquish: Women are not going to build mass like guys can because they just don’t have the hormones for it. But they’ll get the defined body they want, they’ll get the postural changes they want, the shoulders moving back. There’s three things that determines how old a female looks, it’s their hair, their skin and their posture, there’s studies on this. And most women start to degrade their posture in their mid-20s.

Joel Evan: Really?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Joel Evan: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Yeah. I see females with poor biomechanics all the time. I mean, I don’t tell them, but yeah. I mean, I can look at somebody walking down the street and list all the deconditioned muscles they have.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. And it could totally be addressed with X3 Bar portable home gym. X3 Bar resistance band bar system has health reasons that you would do it for. It also has aesthetic reasons that you do it for, and corrective posture isn’t just about walking around pain-free. Corrective posture is about looking younger and healthier also, so I think every woman should do it now. Unfortunately, a lot of women, there’s a trend where they’re afraid of strength because they don’t want to look all lumpy and it’s like, that’s not going to happen. You’re not going to look like me with a wig. You know what I mean? That’s what they’re afraid of. It’s not going to happen. Even with performance enhancing drugs, it’s probably not going to happen.

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Joel Evan: Great.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Joel Evan: Here’s actually an interesting one. And I wanted to ask you this myself, shortening devices, blocks, coupling, spacers. Because I know for me, with the-

Dr. John Jaquish: I’m in favor of all that. That’s cool.

Joel Evan: Yeah. Because I have the black band. And when I do chest press, because I’m just shorter I guess, I don’t feel like I’m working that hard. And I saw one guy put a coupling on it and shortened the band a little bit it, and I’m like, ‘Oh that would be effective.’

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Order one of those.

Joel Evan: But instead I was lazy, and I ordered the orange band, the elite and I was like, ‘Okay.’

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Well, there’s that too.

Joel Evan: That solved my problem.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joel Evan: Yeah. But will you make them? Or will you just say, ‘No, just go and buy the…’ I think somebody asked that, would you make it?

Dr. John Jaquish: Space. Well-

Joel Evan: Little spacers or whatever.

Dr. John Jaquish: What I do is, I roll the band right over the bar, just twice. Just do another loop around the bar. And that is about half as much as a spacer.

Joel Evan: Oh, okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: But I also designed it, and I designed it for people of my height. So it’s perfect. What would I need a spacer for? I’m six feet tall. I designed it for six feet tall guys. Yeah. Sorry.

Joel Evan: Sorry. Sorry anybody below that.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Sorry. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, the spacers are cool. And I mean, I’m not going to get in that business because they-

Joel Evan: Yeah, why? The guy even said online, they’re $1.50 or something, go get it.

Dr. John Jaquish: PVC pipe. I mean, if you want PVC, you can actually get it for free. You just go to the hardware store, and give me two, two-inch, inch and a half pipes that are about that long. And they’ll just cut them and they’re like, ‘Here.’

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Take it.

Joel Evan: Exactly.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. It’s worth the size.

Joel Evan: ‘Are you going to plateau with the bands?’ Somebody ask that.

Dr. John Jaquish: I mean, hey, everybody can only get so big and strong. Your biochemistry, your frame, your tendons, your ligaments are only going to hold so much. So is there an upper limit? Of course. Is there an upper limit to memory? Is there an upper limit to human speed? Of course. Where that is, I don’t think we know. I thought by the time I got to 220 pounds lean, I was a 9% 220. I was like, ‘This is as big and lean is I’m going to get as a, I mean, natural/TRT,’ which is the same thing.

By doing that, it was 220 and lean seemed like a lot. And now I’m 240 and lean. So where am I really going to stop? I think we’re going to see a new higher levels of development for natural athletes, probably for unnatural ones too. But we don’t know where that is yet, because this is really new. This level of variance has never been seen on earth before or space that I know of.

Joel Evan: For the vibration platform. I know you talk a lot about it. The enhancement is more growth hormone, right?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Joel Evan: Are there studies that show this percentage by being on a vibration platform, or do we just know that because we know that it’s causing all these stabilization muscles to fire and that’s what’s causing this uptick in growth hormone?

Dr. John Jaquish: In 2016, Henry, little guy I mentioned, Henry Alkire and I did a meta-analysis. So, it’s one of the more important types of studies because it aggregates all different studies on the same subject and uses statistics to weight different studies. So, one study was done with a lot of people for a short period of time. Another one was done with a few people for a long period of time, so they’re going to hold different weights. And so, we did a meta-analysis on stabilization firing and growth hormone up-regulation. And what we discovered is in every study, you get that effect. And that effect is attenuated by not so much the intensity of the destabilization of the vibration, but it’s loading added to the destabilization. So, somebody who’s on a vibration platform at 30 hertz versus 60 hertz, the person at 60 hertz actually gets no effect at all because they go on a tetanus. They lock the muscles up. But at 30 hertz, their reflexes responds.

Joel Evan: That’s interesting. Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Hence, we use 30 hertz. Yeah. That’s why a lot of vibration products are garbage. Yeah, yeah. Joel Evan: Yeah. So, if we’re talking about going, oh just because you add more, whatever crosstalk.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. More isn’t better. Yeah. You got to look at minimum dose response and there’s no maximum dose response. That’s not a thing.

Joel Evan: The Bulletproof Vibe, I think, is 30, I think, right?

Dr. John Jaquish: Correct.

Joel Evan: Yeah. I had that prior to you coming out with this. It’s amazing the workout I get on the X3 Bar variable resistance training system. There’s a huge difference. It’s pretty incredible.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s awesome.

Joel Evan: Yeah. Okay. We talk about rotational exercises, cut that. Grass fed meat versus commercialized meat.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. This is what James wanted to know. He also really had an opinion already like, ‘I can’t believe people eat processed…’ Or not processed, but factory meat. And it’s like, if you already have an opinion, why did you ask? Because you’re not going to like my answer. Yeah. So, there’s two ways to answer this question. From a meat quality standpoint, there’s only a small difference in nutrient density in grass fed versus factory produced meats. Very small difference. So, if you have two more bites of steak… Shawn Baker says this, Dr. Baker, ‘If you have two more bites of factory raised steak, you’re getting the same nutrition.’

Joel Evan: Sure.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, do I always go for grass fed? I try to. I mean, it’s a little more money, but I think it tastes better. I mean, we got six pounds of meat in the fridge for at least tonight and tomorrow. Yeah. That’s all. That’s grass fed. That’s local. The real issue is, and this I think James is going to like this part in the answer. I mean, from a quality standpoint, nutritional quality standpoint, it doesn’t matter as much, but we need to be able to produce meat where the animal suffers the least, it’s just the right thing to do. And in a way where it’s really sustainable. So not feed troughs, but grass, and the grass where you see the cutaway and the roots from the grass go down 15 feet. Because that’s soil that’s never going to wash away. That is sustainable. That is a field where you can have cattle graze on it for the next thousand years, as long as nobody screws it up.

Joel Evan: Of course.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. So that’s what I’d like to see. That’s the reason to have grass fed… And coincidentally, the majority of a cows life that becomes a McDonald’s burger, it’s grass fed.

Joel Evan: Really? Oh wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: Oh. People go nuts and they screaming at me like I’m a liar. And it’s like, look it up.

Joel Evan: One of the girls was like, ‘He claims that he eats McDonald’s and that it’s okay.’ That was one of the things.

Dr. John Jaquish: They have quality meat. Sorry. I mean, sorry that upsets you. Sorry Karen, but I mean, Karen likes to complain.

Joel Evan: inaudible.

Dr. John Jaquish: Okay. Well, we’re just going to call her Karen. Because she wants to kick and scream, but ultimately, I’m giving you the answer. There’s a really good friend of mine who did all the meat buying for McDonald’s in Europe. And he pretty much exclusively dealt with Spanish farms and the guy’s a Michelin star chef.

Joel Evan: Oh, wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: He would feed his kids… He’s a very successful guy. In fact, he’s the master franchise operator for Iceland for OsteoStrong. That’s how I know him.

Joel Evan: Oh wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Yep. Great guy. I don’t know if he wants me outing him and using his name, but he’s in the extra users forum. He’s an extra user also. And yeah, he says, ‘I would feed my children McDonald’s beef every day.’

Joel Evan: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. And I thought that was a really bold statement. He’s saying it is of high quality. So, I don’t care how upset Karen gets, it’s high quality meat. I know this from multiple sources. I know an executive in Chicago, it’s where they’re headquartered, that told me the same thing. I didn’t believe it. And then when I heard it from a completely different source, I didn’t know this person, this executive that I knew, I was like, ‘Okay. I believe in it now.’ And there’s articles out there, but they don’t really market their health because there’s so many Karen’s out there and so many people who just want to be angry. They’ll put out an article about how healthy their meat is, and there’ll be a hundred articles in Goop and in… I’m trying to think of some other narrative pushing type… CNN would just be like ‘McDonald’s falsely claims…’ Of course, it’ll be fake news, but that’s CNN. So yeah. They don’t even bother with it, but it’s a hundred percent beef. It wasn’t always. They did have some problems, but they worked through those problems years ago.

Joel Evan: That’s cool. Yeah. I didn’t know that. That’s great to hear actually.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, yeah.

Joel Evan: Here’s a question that I actually have, and this has come up in the users group as well. If I-

Joel Evan: This has come up in the users group as well. I’ve heard you say a lot about 15 controlled reps, if you could do that, I guess you can move up in bands. Is that right?

Dr. John Jaquish: 40.

Joel Evan: 40?

Dr. John Jaquish: 15 is the minimum-

Joel Evan: That’s the minimum.

Dr. John Jaquish: 40 is the maximum.

Joel Evan: I’m thinking about my overhead press. I can do probably 20, 25 or something overhead but with a blue band. That was one of the lighter ones. But I find myself-

Dr. John Jaquish: You have had X3 Bar resistance band training system for a long time. We haven’t had a blue band in a long time.

Joel Evan: Actually, I posted a photo of myself doing a workout a while back and somebody even inaudible, ‘Where’d you get the blue bands at?’ And then someone chimed me, they’re like, dude, that was one of the original man you can’t crosstalk. It’s just kind of funny. If I can do with the blue band or a lighter band, 20 something, 25 reps on the overhead press.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Keep going.

Joel Evan: For whatever reason, I think it’s just the cardio Output, I get annoyed. I feel more resistance obviously with the green band. I’ll go do that, but I can only eke out like 13 or 15. Should someone like me be like, ‘No, dude, you need go back to the blue band and get closer to like 40 before you move up?’

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Joel Evan: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s better. And they should be like three seconds up, three seconds down. Slow and controlled.

Joel Evan: Yeah. Okay. Temple crosstalk.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, because I see a lot of people just throwing the bar around, trying to get a high rep count and it’s like those reps aren’t the quality that you want, not at all.

Joel Evan: Okay. Wow. And then last question. Somebody asked this, any recovery tips that you have?

Dr. John Jaquish: Other than Fortagen maybe?

Joel Evan: I know.

Dr. John Jaquish: What do you mean by recovery?

Joel Evan: I think if you listen to this episode, I feel like.

Dr. John Jaquish: We kind of hit that-

Joel Evan: Pretty much hit it. We talk about it like you’ve said superior nutrition and then X3 Bar fitness band bar system, but you’re not going to get hurt doing this crosstalk.

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Dr. John Jaquish: Superior Training, Superior Nutrition. A muscle, no matter what you do, it’s going to take 36 hours for protein synthesis to conclude. There’s muscle biopsy studies on that. You’re not going to hurry that up. This is one of the lack of understanding of minimum dose response. Bodybuilders think if they have twice as much protein, they’re going to recover in half the amount of time. No. If you breathe, you can only take in so much oxygen. If you try and take in too much, you hyperventilate and you pass out. You can’t optimize that. That’s just the way it is.

Joel Evan: Damn it. I just bought that product, the oxygen product. Well, cool man.

Dr. John Jaquish: There used to be some really goof-ball hacking devices on oxygen. Ozone chambers that are really high levels. Ozone is O3, it’s not O2. Just like, Oh man. Just scam products that I think were built by people that didn’t know they were scamming people.

Joel Evan: They believed it.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Joel Evan: Oh wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: They just straight up believed it. I went to Medica a couple of years ago. It’s the biggest medical show for medical devices in the world. It’s in Dusseldorf, Germany. And I just saw a there that was like, I know exactly who’s going to buy this. God, if you could only get to Dave Asprey’s email, you’d sell 50 of these. It doesn’t work but boy, the claims are great.

Joel Evan: Couple of studies here and there, little references.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Right.

Joel Evan: And is that it, Is that all the-

Dr. John Jaquish: ~crosstalk~ the users were… They went easy on me.

Joel Evan: I should also ask why does… I did want to ask you this. Why does Pharaoh eat pizza? That one did crack me.

Dr. John Jaquish: He trusts me to answer that question. It’s because he’s a carbohydrate addict. Pharaoh is our example of caloric restriction. He does caloric restriction. He throws some fansy in there also. I think he would, and I know this is going to frighten people. He would actually be a lot bigger if he focused more on protein and didn’t eat the pizza. Also, he acts like pizza’s his main thing and it’s really an every once in a while thing. It’s more of a comedic, but I give him a hard time about it because it’s like pizza, come on really.

Joel Evan: On that note, do you ever have cheat meals. Yours is a rock is like posting these insane cheat meals. Do you ever do that or?

Dr. John Jaquish: He doesn’t do that.

Joel Evan: You don’t think so?

Dr. John Jaquish: I would bet my left testicle. Joel Evan: And you only have. That’s not a good testicle. That’s a pretty good guy.

Dr. John Jaquish: He posts things that are impressive. He says for those of you who don’t know, he says he eats 10,000 calories in his cheat meal and it’s like a stack of pancakes like this high and ice cream and candy bars. He doesn’t eat that. No, that’s not how the body works. He’s either trying to impress people or entertain. He’s an entertainer-

Joel Evan: He’s an entertainer.

Dr. John Jaquish: He’s a funny guy. No, he doesn’t do that. Cheat meals, there’s something that’s going to be in the book. And after putting together the evidence that proves that carbohydrates are not even a macronutrient. There’s only two macronutrients. There’s fat, there’s protein. Carbohydrates are not a macronutrient. They don’t fit the definition. It’s something your body needs. Your body needs no carbohydrates even to perform.

Joel Evan: What about polyphenols. People always argue about that. When it comes to vegetables and fruit or whatever. Oh, you got there’s polyphenols and that’s good for.

Dr. John Jaquish: Like antioxidants and anti-inflammatories are important because you have inflammation. What if you have a non-inflammatory diet?

Joel Evan: Good point.

Dr. John Jaquish: Then you don’t need an antioxidant if you’re not oxidizing. Right?

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: You don’t need that.

Joel Evan: Do you think Keto, I’m sorry. Do you think carnivore would be as effective as it is if you weren’t fasting?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yes.

Joel Evan: Do you still thinking It’d be-

Dr. John Jaquish: I’d have to be a little more disciplined and kind of count grams of fat and be a little more measured because now it’s like, we’re going to eat steak tonight. It will be a ridiculous platter of steaks. It’s going to look like five people are coming over for dinner. And that’s just what I-

Dr. John Jaquish: I already said steak at the meat counter. And they’re like, ‘Oh, you’re having a big party?’ And I’m like, no.

Joel Evan: For you, it’s like a day typical like Bulletproof coffee in the morning, then you fast all day?

Dr. John Jaquish: This is another question that I want to answer. People are like, ‘What are you doing now?’ Because I’m always making tweaks and experimenting and trying to get people the best recommendation, one meal over 48 hours.

Joel Evan: That’s crazy.

Dr. John Jaquish: That meal, typically is filet like two pounds plus two and a half pounds of filet. And you ask a question like, do you ever do a cheat meal? Well, I went as part of the book. I was like, I want to find if there’s any reason whatsoever, that carbohydrates can be used as a performance enhancer.

Joel Evan: Whoa! Another question.

Dr. John Jaquish: Because we do know that… I wish someone had given that to me, but that was all me.

Joel Evan: Sorry users group.

Dr. John Jaquish: Sorry, users group. You guys didn’t ask any good questions. They often ask good questions. That’s just not one that they asked. But actually, for developing the business, I love that group because, they throw out some ideas. There was a guy this morning who was pointing out that the overhead press doesn’t have the same level of variance, that the other exercises do because there’s not as much stretch difference. You’re going from here to here. Right?

Joel Evan: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: You’re not like a squad is a much greater distance. The level of vary, and you’re already starting somewhat stretch, which is why we go for a lower band. But that’s been bugging me for years. And it’s just like, this is the first time somebody else. I make inaudible set it up a couple of times, but this guy really was like, the ratio is like totally different. And he said, ‘Have we ever thought about doing it from the knees?’ And I’m like yeah, I have thought about that a lot.

And I do know that the progress and the deltoids with X3 Bar, it certainly doesn’t match the progress in my pictorials. Growth differences are massive in the pictorials. They’re significant in the deltoids, but not the same. And he’s got a great solution. The same one I was saying but sometimes, you have to hear your own idea from somebody else before you’re like ‘Yeah, we got to think about that.’ That’s another great thing about the user’s room, but how did I get on this-

Joel Evan: Back to you. I asked you about your diet. You’re doing Bulletproof coffee. And then you said-

Dr. John Jaquish: I was doing Bulletproof coffee. It just became so much of a hassle. I quit doing that.

Joel Evan: This should take more than four minutes.

Dr. John Jaquish: Something like that. You got a blender with you. You got to carry butter with you and traveling with butter, especially like-

Joel Evan: It’s not easy.

Dr. John Jaquish: When I’m in the middle East, when it’s like 114 outside and I’m rolling my bag and I’m like, ‘Am I going to have butter all over all my shirt?’ When that stuff starts to melt, I don’t care how many plastic bags it’s in. It’s getting out.

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Joel Evan: It’s like if there’s stuff.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. I gave up on Bulletproof coffee. Part of the reason I developed Imperium because that’s just easier. It’s everything that’s in Bulletproof coffee, but it’s just a powder. And I’ve just put that in my checked bag and don’t put it in your carry on because the Stevia sets off the explosive alarms.

Joel Evan: Really?

Dr. John Jaquish: Apparently Stevia is either is a chemical or is very chemically similar to something used in plastic explosive.

Joel Evan: I didn’t know that.

Dr. John Jaquish: I found out the hard way a few times.

Joel Evan: When they do the-

Dr. John Jaquish: Finally, some expert, the guy who trains the bomb tax is like Stevia in that. And he’s like, the next time this happens, just stick your finger in it and put some in your mouth and they’ll know okay, you’re not trying to smell-

Joel Evan: Well, they’ll know oh, just cocaine-

Dr. John Jaquish: Apparently, they can ask to taste it. There’s like some rule against that. I didn’t know that. But if you consume some of it, they’re like, ‘All right, go ahead. You’re fine.’ But I just start putting in my check back anyway. Because I check a bag for X3 Bar portable home gym, and I want to have like two cans of Fortagen with me. If I’m going to go on more than like a 10-day trip or something like that, just in case. Because like people always want to try something you do this. I didn’t know I was going to make another Fortagen for you, but now you can try. I’m always making one for somebody else. I want two cans of Fortagen, two cans of IN-perium, my X3 resistance bands system and then the rest of the stuff I need to take. Again, I distracted myself saying something about the user’s-

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Joel Evan 3: What about your daily routine?

Dr. John Jaquish: My daily routine, thank you. My daily routines… I have one meal every 48 hours. I did find an anabolic method for applying carbohydrates. And it’s really, well-described in the book but basically. Post-workout you got a window where, and there’s a calculation you have to do to figure out how many grams of carbohydrates you can take in. It gets sucked right in a muscle as glycogen. And it hydrates the muscle. And of course, it’s like, okay, so I got a little bit bigger pump who cares? That’s not growth. Apparently, a better hydrated muscle has accelerated protein synthesis.

Joel Evan: Interesting.

Dr. John Jaquish: As long as you combine it or more so when you combine it with stretching. Joel Evan: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s a combination of stretching, consuming water, a little bit of carbohydrate and stretching the muscle. And this is totally detailed in the book.

Joel Evan: Dude, that’s fascinating.

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Dr. John Jaquish: I don’t do like a cheat meal or anything like that, but I might have like a cup of rice right after.

Joel Evan: Interesting.

Dr. John Jaquish: And that of course stimulates my appetite. I only do it on a day where I can work out, have a tiny bit of carbohydrate stretch and then like huge meal. If I have to work out in the morning, I don’t do any of that. Oh-

Joel Evan: Got that.

Dr. John Jaquish: Also, what contributes to this is, I take a vasodilator. And there’s multiple vasodilators that are available. You can take up a medium, which is over the counter supplement. Or if you want to speak to your physician about it, you can get Viagra or Cialis-

Joel Evan: Because-

Dr. John Jaquish: She made fun of me when she… Right. It’s for enhanced muscle protein synthesis.

Joel Evan: Come on, duh.

Dr. John Jaquish: She found a bottle of Viagra and she’s like, ‘Ah, you need this?’ Thanks sweetheart.

Dr. John Jaquish: This is a great conversation, you can imagine. She’s questioning, she’s like, ‘Oh you need this huh?’ It was cruel actually.

Dr. John Jaquish: And I’m like, why the hell would you be embarrassed?

Joel Evan: You should be thanking him.

Dr. John Jaquish: Exactly.

Joel Evan: You’re welcome.

Dr. John Jaquish: You get benefit out of that too.

Joel Evan: For the sake of science, he’s doing all this, right?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. I actually because I wanted there to be no confusion. I pulled up a couple of articles and I’m like, this is why I take this. This is for muscle protein synthesis. And she’s like ‘Oh, okay.’

Joel Evan: Again, the invincible science.

Dr. John Jaquish: Like I have no problems in that department. Super clear.

Joel Evan: To that’s a bio hack right there?

Dr. John Jaquish: Oh, yeah. It is.

Joel Evan: Shit. That is on like the after roll?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Joel Evan: This is-

Dr. John Jaquish: The bonus. The vasodilator, Viagra Cialis. That’s the best way to go way. I way prefer Cialis or Viagra.

Joel Evan: Why say that?

Dr. John Jaquish: Half-life at 36 hours versus seven.

Joel Evan: Okay. Just based on the hourly. Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. You wake up in the morning and take it. It doesn’t really matter when you work out, you’re not even going to be awake for 36 hours. And then the carbohydrates right after the war, it’s got to be right after the workout. If you have you get to it an hour later and forget it, you’re not getting the effect.

Joel Evan: Interesting. That kind of reduced that the anabolic window that you did, but you’re just saying, I think you’re just speaking generality, right?

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s not anabolic, it’s hydrating. You’re just hydrating the muscle for anabolism later after you have, so then anabolic window doesn’t exist. But there is a window for hydration.

Joel Evan: Okay. Which is then-

Dr. John Jaquish: For extra muscle hydration.

Joel Evan: And so then you’re going to look more fuller and everything else?

Dr. John Jaquish: You will but you also have more growth, which is, getting a pump is like-

Joel Evan: I don’t know-

Dr. John Jaquish: You don’t care, exactly. But it’s like, let’s hydrate the muscle so that we can get more growth. And then when you do the hydration and then the stretching, there’s a limiting factor for growth based on the flexibility of the muscle fascia. The casing around the muscle, my tricep has a really tight, hard casing around it, which is one of the limiting factors of growth. If I can create more room in there, I’m allowed to have more growth. It’s a limit or a row. You fill it with hydration and then you stretch it and then the stretch is much more effective. Then later on in the evening, when you go into muscle protein synthesis, usually after you have a couple pounds of steak and your Fortagen and then go to sleep, then that growth happens.

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Joel Evan: That’s what I wanted to ask too about the Fortagen. Then you do that in the morning as part of?

Dr. John Jaquish: I do one in the morning and then one right before bed.

Joel Evan: Right before bed. And that’s just so, when you’re sleeping, you’re just growing?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. But people do complain that they have to get up and use the restroom.

Joel Evan: I don’t want to care about that. Do you ever track your sleep by the way?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Joel Evan: Did you notice anything different out of the Fortagen then. Did it change anything as far as ~crosstalk~ sleep?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Fortagen makes you dream for some reason.

Joel Evan: Really?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Joel Evan: I never dream-

Dr. John Jaquish: Pretty vivid dreams.

Joel Evan: That would be, I never-

Dr. John Jaquish: I bet you will tonight. No, you have really vivid dreams. I don’t know. There’s never been researched. This is why I’ve never talked about it. I like talking about the things that have a scientific backing to them. But you’ll see users like, ‘Hey, I wake up from crazy dreams.’ And mine aren’t so crazy, but they’re really vivid-

Joel Evan: It is vivid. You remember them?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. I-

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s true. You did. But it’s not like screaming because I’m covered with ants. It’s not like that. It’s just really like have a conversation you wake up and you’re like, was that real. Did I talk to that person? I’m I remembering something? Or is that yeah. That’s hard to explain so, I don’t. But the vivid dreams and, I also quit alcohol. I used to drink quite a bit because I’m heavily involved in charity stuff in San Francisco. And that-

Joel Evan: Up or on-

Dr. John Jaquish: You go to charity events and there’s always a drink in your hand. And apparently Julia says my friends are very fratty. And so, there’s a lot of high fiving in alcohol.

Dr. John Jaquish: No. It’s-

Dr. John Jaquish: I started drinking doubles just because it was more convenient and then I’d have like six of them. And this was like on a Tuesday night, it was like every night. And-

Joel Evan: That’s what I was thinking man, like ‘Oh, this whole carnivore thing was must be just boring.’ Not for them.

Dr. John Jaquish: Actually-

Joel Evan: Not for you like-

Dr. John Jaquish: A lot of them have started drinking less and going carnivore because they like the results that they see I have. It’s funny. Well, the people who quit drinking, they don’t really miss it. I don’t miss it. I can go and just drink water, drink club soda, or something like that. And I don’t feel like I had a bad night. I might think a few of my friends are pretty annoying. Joel Evan: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: Because when you’re not drinking and everyone else is the guys who drink a lot. You’re like, I got to get away from this guy. He’s so annoying when he’s like neuro, normally you’re on the same level. It just doesn’t.

Joel Evan: That’s for sure.

Dr. John Jaquish: Now my sleep quality went way up when I quit booze.

Joel Evan: I’ve noticed that from myself too.

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s the biggest difference in sleep quality is alcohol.

Joel Evan: And even with Dry Farm Wines. I’ve noticed the same. It doesn’t matter. With my worry, you can just see it. The sleep is fragmented, it’s fucked up. It’s amazing. By the way I just like to have a glass of red wine with my meal. It’s not even like, I’m not even getting tanked. I’m just like, ‘Oh, just like it.’ But I noticed just the data’s there but man, I’m fine.

Dr. John Jaquish: Even one drink will not help your sleep. It’ll have an impact.

Joel Evan: Whether it’s organic, bio dynamic, all that doesn’t matter. It doesn’t, it’s amazing.

Dr. John Jaquish: It is funny. All right. We’ve got everything else.

Joel Evan: All right then. That’s it man-

Dr. John Jaquish: This is where we’re wrapping this up.

Joel Evan: I think we crushed it.

Dr. John Jaquish: Thank you. Thanks guys.

Joel Evan: Where are we… Stink says three hours. Is that real?

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