By Unleash your Greatness Within on April 26, 2021

Weightlifting and Cardio is a waste of time with Dr. John Jaquish

Weightlifting and Cardio is a waste of time with Dr. John Jaquish

In this thought-provoking podcast, we disperse many health and fitness myths with Dr. John Jaquish. The author of Weight Lifting Is a Waste of Time: So Is Cardio, and There’s a Better Way to Have the Body You Want and inventor of many fitness and health devices, this episode will create a whole new approach to fitness and health.

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TJ Hoisington: This is the TJ Hoisington podcast, Unleash Your Greatness Within

Dr. John Jaquish: Almost everybody who goes into a gym and stays for years and years does jack. They look the same. They get no results.

Dr. John Jaquish: Almost everybody who goes into a gym and stays for years and years does jack. They look the same. They get no results. And they somehow think that just by beating their head against the wall year after year, all of a sudden one day they’re going to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger. Not going to happen. He says, “I don’t know how it works, but I know they don’t know.”

TJ Hoisington: What advice do you have for those people that are constantly for years and years going to the gym and looking the same? What would be your advice to them?

Dr. John Jaquish: Take everything you’ve learned and just emotionally throw it in the trash.

TJ Hoisington: You eat a lot of vegetables or no?

Dr. John Jaquish: No.

TJ Hoisington: Really?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, I put that in the book, too. No fruit, no fruit and vegetables. No fiber. Fiber is a joke. We never needed it.

TJ Hoisington: Wait, wait. So, you’re telling me you will not get malnutrition by only eating protein? I was raised to think that if all you did was eat protein, you’re getting malnutrition.

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, your father’s generation was raised to think that leeches were the best thing to reduce a fever, but that was wrong.

TJ Hoisington: Hey there and welcome to the Unleash Your Greatness Within podcast today. I have a new success interview for you. It was my privilege to interview Dr. John Jaquish.

TJ Hoisington: Okay, this interview was amazing. When you think about health, you think about fitness, you think about nutrition, I tell you what, he shot holes in some of the beliefs that I had. And he shot holes into some of the beliefs that 99% of the, if not more, 99% of the people out there have related to health and fitness and so forth. And he argues that we have it all wrong. And you know what, I asked him some pointed questions in some areas. And you know what, he has research to back it up.

TJ Hoisington: You see, he is the author of this book, and the title caught my attention, which is, Weight Lifting Is a Waste of Time: So Is Cardio, and There’s a Better Way to Have the Body You Want . What? What do you mean? Yeah. You see, he’s the founder and chairman of Jaquish Biomedical . He works with NASA. They just came out with a new study two weeks ago from NASA, where they teamed up and did some research together around some of his concepts and research and so forth. And you know what else?

TJ Hoisington: Tom Brady uses his X3 program and his X3 products. You know what, he’s done, Tom Brady has done some videos on it, and so forth. Now, Tom is not endorsing his product or anything. He’s not promoting or sponsoring it. But you know what, he’s put some videos out where he’s talked about using it. So, maybe Dr. John can’t say it, but I’m going to say it, what an amazing interview as I asked him pointed questions and shared a little bit about my story and stories of other people and what we could do differently. And we are real and raw.

TJ Hoisington: And you know what, I felt like John didn’t hold anything back. He speaks his mind. And he has research to back it up. So, give it a listen and listen through to the end because, wow, we get into some rich stuff in this interview.

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TJ Hoisington: Okay, without any further ado, let’s jump right into this explosive interview. John, welcome to the [Unleash Your Greatness Within podcast] ( https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weightlifting-and-cardio-is-a-waste-of-time/id847641439?i=1000517411399) .

Dr. John Jaquish: Hey, TJ, thanks for having me.

TJ Hoisington: You bet. I got to tell you, I got a copy of your book here. And the title caught my attention. [crosstalk 00:04:31] Well, and it did. I love the red by the way, and the physique is amazing, which I want you to get into your personal story because your physique didn’t start that way. And I think that’ll be useful to the listeners. Weight Lifting Is a Waste of Time: So Is Cardio.

TJ Hoisington: When my staff brought that to my attention, I thought you know what, this will be a good interview. I think it’ll be useful for people. I think what you’ve done as I’ve gone through your book is insightful. There’s a lot of information in here that gives evidence to the points that you make. It’s amazing. So, let’s just get into it, John. Give us a little-

Dr. John Jaquish: All right. Well, it’s my favorite subject, you’re not going to need to twist my arm.

TJ Hoisington: Okay. Okay, well, let’s do it. Tell us a little bit of your backstory. And let’s go from there. How about that?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, I got into life sciences because my mother was diagnosed with osteoporosis and she didn’t want to take the medications. And I’ve read the side effects. And so, I developed a medical device to treat her bone loss and made her bones as powerful as that of a 30 year-old woman. And she was in her 70s at the time.

TJ Hoisington: Oh, wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. And it’s now out there and franchised clinics. It’s called OsteoStrong. There are 150 clinics in eight different countries. So, it’s a big company now.

TJ Hoisington: Oh, that’s great. I didn’t realize that. All right, yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: It was my first invention. And then, it was the data from that which made me realize that I’m a little hyperbolic in the title, Weight Lifting Is a Waste of Time . And my two inventions don’t solve all human problems. Because I think a lot of people just assume I have that attitude because I’m an inventor. No. I mean, I have diverticulitis. No matter what way you exercise is because you’re eating wrong.

TJ Hoisington: Oh, right.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, yeah. So, that enabled me to get to my next invention, which is X3 . And the reason I call it X3 is there is a study that shows that people gain strength, and of course, then muscular size, three-fold greater than the control group, which was lifting regular weights just by varying the resistance in accordance to biomechanical capacity or so they thought.

Dr. John Jaquish: Now, my data got to maximum biomechanical capacities where I was the only one to have that data because it was out of one of my studies. So, it was in a clinical trial in London at the University of East London, in the hospital. It was done in the Stratford Village Surgery in London. So, yeah, when I was doing it, it just became obvious to me like, wow, people are so much more powerful in impact-ready positions.

TJ Hoisington: I get that and you make that point in the book .

Dr. John Jaquish: I make it 100 times in the book.

TJ Hoisington: Yeah, yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: I want to nail that in somebody’s head. It is so incorrect to be lifting the same weight in all positions. If you had to carry another person, let’s say out of a burning building, I’m creating a necessity, because why would you just pick up a random person?

TJ Hoisington: Right, right.

Dr. John Jaquish: You wouldn’t touch your knees to the ground with every step so you could get a full range to be asinine.

TJ Hoisington: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yet, that’s how we exercise. It doesn’t make any sense. We’re using the same way, the entire range of motion, we would never do that. And so, what if, now fatigue is great, blood flow is great. Blood flow in one direction is optimal.

TJ Hoisington: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: Not allowing the return to the heart, I could get into that, that might take another hour. That’s a process called hypoxia. But ultimately, what we want is a weight that changes following our output capacity. And then by exercising in that manner, we can go to a far deeper level of exhaustion, thereby triggering much more growth. In that one study, it was three times the growth. But that’s not the truth.

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, the X3 thing, is it three times the growth? People ask me that every day. And I said, “No, it’s not. It’s more like 10 times of growth or 20 times or 50 times, infinite.” Because most of your friends, and I can say this, anybody, it’s not just you, but most of your friends who exercise regularly, they’ve seen no changes.

TJ Hoisington: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Nothing.

TJ Hoisington: Yeah, right.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, is it three times greater than what people get on average? Well, what people get on average is zero. And I also made the point in the book, people were very furious when they saw the title of my book and they defended the fitness industry. Fitness as a human endeavor is probably the most failed.

TJ Hoisington: You did make that point. I read that, yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: I mean, like one in six males in the United States have taken or are currently taking anabolic steroids.

TJ Hoisington: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: Does one in six looks fit? Not.

TJ Hoisington: I see what you’re saying because I can just remember-

Dr. John Jaquish: Is it one in 16? How about one in 60,000 looks extremely good. Yeah, think about it. How many people walking down the street would you be able to identify immediately as just made a muscle, chiseled lean? I mean, you’ve probably seen five people like that in your entire life.

TJ Hoisington: I can think of one right now. I can think … Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. He’s probably famous.

TJ Hoisington: An NFL football player. Yeah, yeah, right.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right, there are a couple NFL guys, usually not the linemen, the receivers.

TJ Hoisington: That’s right.

Dr. John Jaquish: I mean, the linemen have to be as heavy as possible. So, they’ve kind of got themselves out of that kindness. But, yeah.

TJ Hoisington: But I see what you’re saying. Because in the times that-

Dr. John Jaquish: [crosstalk 00:10:49] that it’s just failed, would you invest in an investment company that lost 99.9% of your investment?

TJ Hoisington: No, no, you wouldn’t.

Dr. John Jaquish: Initial capital, right.

TJ Hoisington: So, let’s get into that in just a second. But I will say that I’ve noticed when I’ve gone to the gym when I used to go to the gym because I do a lot at home and I run a lot and so forth. But when I would go, I would go and I would notice over the years, the same people showing up but not seeing any major changes. I mean, I see the same people and there would not be-

Dr. John Jaquish: Right, the guy is still skinny, the fat guy is still fat.

TJ Hoisington:** It’s true. So, with that said, let’s go back to the beginning and tell me because you write in the book your personal story. And like I said in the opening, the physique you have here is not what you started within life. And so, you wrote in the book, “I was scrawny as a kid and I hated it.” And then you gave some stories. Go back to when you were a kid because you were not … The physique that you have today is not what you naturally grew up with if you will, is that right?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, no. I even have pictures from college where I was playing division one rugby.

TJ Hoisington: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: And I figured if I got into like a strong guy sport, I would somehow magically become strong. Stupid teenager logic. No, I didn’t belong there. Like I was skinny. Unfortunately, I had more like a wide receiver-type position. I was [inaudible 00:12:28]. So, I did all right, but-

TJ Hoisington: Yeah, you said, “I was youextremely lean at 140 pounds at the time.”

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, that was my entrance into the university.

TJ Hoisington: And so, as soon as you got your driver’s license, you started to go to the gym. You use that driver’s license to get to the gym.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, I was the only kid … Yeah, so we’re talking now younger, but I was 140 in high school. And then, I was 140 starting college, too. Yeah, and then I got up to 160, but it was just fat [inaudible 00:13:07] maybe a little tiny bit stronger. It’s a tiny bit of muscle. Hardly anything. Yeah, so I mean, I wanted to put on weight so I could be a better rugby player.

TJ Hoisington: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: You’re 140 pounds and you hit somebody, you’re going to knock them over.

TJ Hoisington: That’s right.

Dr. John Jaquish: You’re 160, maybe.

TJ Hoisington: Yeah, that’s good. So, what got you excited about getting and besides helping your mom and so forth, what got you excited about going down this path of passion in your life? I mean, what was it? What was the-

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, my mom really launched me in this direction. Because before that, even though I liked science, I was doing relationship management software sales.

TJ Hoisington: Oh.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, yeah, I would design a piece of software that would help a certain company with very specific tailored problems that they have and sharing data, sharing files, versioning. Think of it as like Dropbox before Dropbox kind of thing.

TJ Hoisington: Okay, got it. Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Dropbox like 15 years before Dropbox.

TJ Hoisington: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, because Dropbox is pretty new. So, what I was working on and what I was doing, it was cool. I liked it. It helped a lot of people, but it wasn’t like the first thing I thought I woke up in the morning.

TJ Hoisington: I got you. No, that speaks truth because a lot of the guests that are on the show or listeners to the show, we talk about unleashing that greatness within and we talk about finding that inner passion and don’t go where the path may lead, go there’s no path and leave a trail, that old proverb goes. And so, I think it’s awesome that you found this niche in your life and you’ve created a big business with it. You’ve made it your focus. Seems like you’re in the center of the fitness industry in terms of some of your thoughts and practices and processes.

Dr. John Jaquish: I mean, I don’t see myself as part of the fitness industry at all.

TJ Hoisington: Okay, help me understand that. Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, yeah. I’m a medical device inventor. And so, I’ve been in that industry, which is why everything I write is not my opinion.

TJ Hoisington: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right, right. If you try and look up all the references in this book, you will be disappointed because there’s 250 plus references, the studies that I referenced, and this is why this is, and here’s the evidence in that. So, it was written by professors at universities that I don’t know.

TJ Hoisington: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, you can’t say I’m making something up when I’m referencing another piece of research.

TJ Hoisington: Exactly.

Dr. John Jaquish: And nobody’s been able to find something that I’m misquoting because that’s my job.

TJ Hoisington: So, are you negatively getting a lot of feedback? Is that what you’re saying?

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, of course, the fitness industry is full of idiots. It’s full of every guy who has all kinds of personality disorders, inadequacy like, I’m five foot one, but I’m going to be all big and tough and walk with my arms out, so I can show everybody how … I mean, it’s just like psychological disorders, sign up here. So, yeah. And that’s not the whole fitness industry. But that’s a good piece of it. So, yeah, I think there’s the most hate and jealousy, very jealousy driven. I think that’s all it is.

TJ Hoisington: By envy and jealousy, you would say?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, like when you’re in good shape, they hate you because they’re not. Oh, so they imagine that you cheated. Oh, you use steroids? No, I don’t. If you ever look at a guy who has used steroids and admits it, and then look at me, there’s a big difference. Yeah, I mean, this is not a steroid user’s body. This is like maybe an NFL body. But NFL guys are drug tested like crazy.

TJ Hoisington: Yeah, exactly.

Dr. John Jaquish: They can’t [inaudible 00:17:17].

TJ Hoisington: Right, right.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, right. So, nor would they because there’s kind of an argument that you screw up your blood pressure and then you’re not such a great athlete when you use that. The only sport where performance-enhancing drugs, that’s a broad term, but most of it is testosterone-based stuff. If you have anything beyond a natural level, you’re getting some other disadvantages in your sport.

TJ Hoisington: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, which means they didn’t care.

TJ Hoisington: You say here in the book before you get into the X3 prototype, you talk about how you were 190 pounds, 20% body fat-

Dr. John Jaquish: Which is fat.

TJ Hoisington: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s fat.

TJ Hoisington: That’s fat. That by the end of the first year of the prototype of your X3 prototype, you were 205 pounds but 11% body fat, so the body fat went down.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

TJ Hoisington: By the end of year two, you were 220 pounds and only 9% body fat.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right.

TJ Hoisington: Unbelievable. And so, did that include, help the audience understand because they’re probably driving in their car or what have you. And so, what was the shift? Help us understand X3 and what was the shift that changed, helps change your body?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, just, first, it was just the understanding, the weight lifting, putting the same weight on all positions is just not unintelligent. It shouldn’t be done.

TJ Hoisington: Okay. Question for you real quick, a question for you.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

TJ Hoisington: Dumbbells or barbells. You say, don’t be using dumbbells. I’m maybe misquoting you. Don’t be using dumbbells, you use barbells. Is that accurate?

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. So, when it comes to extremities, the human body is good at recruiting more muscle when you use both arms to lift something heavy. Because in reality, if you were going to lift something heavy, would you just use one hand?

TJ Hoisington: No, you wouldn’t, naturally, no.

Dr. John Jaquish: No, you would never do that.

TJ Hoisington: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: But you had two heavy things, you probably grab one and then grab the other one.

TJ Hoisington: Yeah, So, it’d be balanced, right.

Dr. John Jaquish: We’re going to try to carry on both. But when it comes to legs, the way people naturally train legs is wrong also, or in standard. Like squatting on two legs makes sense if you’re a kangaroo because they run on two legs at once. We run on one at a time. So, when I train legs, I do split squats. TJ Hoisington: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, all my weight is on one leg. The other is, I’m on my back toe just for balance and then driving with one leg. And also keep in mind, how well can you do, driving all of your body’s resources to one quadricep and one glute over two quadriceps and two glutes? Do you think your body can do more with twice the resources in the given period? Of course, it can. So, yeah, I mean, you turn on one leg, but you use both arms.

TJ Hoisington: Got it. That’s a good distinction. I would have never thought about that. Because in my garage, I have a little fitness area. And I have the dumbbells. I have the Life Fitness or whatever it is dumbbells, and I’m thinking, I need to rethink some of this. So, just something to think about that by reading your book, I became aware of, let me say here, what I love about when I got into some of the X3 and action was this, you said, “As fellow frequent business travelers know all too well, it can be hard to stay on track nutritionally while on the road. And then that led me to get into elastic bands.” And then you had some research in there.

TJ Hoisington: You said the effects of variable resistance on the maximum strength and power were tested using division one football players. Here, volunteers from Robert Morris University were divided into three groups, one training with elastic bands, another with weighted chains, and the last using a traditional bench press. Each participant did a speed bench press and one-repetition maximum test pre and post-experiment.

TJ Hoisington: After seven weeks, the group’s training with elastic bands and weighted chains, the athletes exercising with variable resistance showed greater improvements than the ones working out on conventional weight lifting equipment.

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s right. Yeah, there are 16 studies like that. You read from just one.

TJ Hoisington: Got it.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. There’s even one that says the greater the ratio of variance, some of the studies that you have X at the bottom, and then you have 1.2X at the top.

TJ Hoisington: Got it.

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, when we do it, it’s more like X at the bottom and 5X at the top.

TJ Hoisington: Oh, okay, with your bands, your elastic bands, and so forth. Dr. John Jaquish: Not elastic bands. Elastic bands are junk. Ours are latex, very powerful.

TJ Hoisington: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, when I do a chest press, I’m totaling 550 pounds at the top.

TJ Hoisington: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. So, the band thing you get at Walmart-

TJ Hoisington: That’s different than what you have. Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right, right. I mean, those things, they’re meant to look like exercise, but you’re not doing anything. You might be holding at maximum when the band is stretched, you might be holding 15 pounds.

TJ Hoisington: Okay. So, [crosstalk 00:23:26]. So, I travel a lot for my business. So, if I’m traveling, it makes sense to me, because I do get out of a rhythm when I’m traveling. I always have the choice to go out and run. But if I want to do some weight lifting, if you will, type stuff, it makes sense that I could carry two or three of the X3, what do you call them elastic?

Dr. John Jaquish: I mean, they’re bands. But we need more powerful bands than have ever been seen. And there have been a lot of copycats. And so, there are other powerful bands now, but they’re very expensive.

TJ Hoisington: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, we made these bands. If you try and use this type of banding to just throw around your back and do a push-up you’ll probably break one or both wrists. So, I don’t like the product being referred to as bands. It’s sort of like, is it a tire, a car? Are they the same?

TJ Hoisington: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right, they’re not the same.

TJ Hoisington: Yeah. Dr. John Jaquish: Right, right. A tire goes on a car, whereas bands are part of that X3. But without the rest of X3, you have jack shi

TJ Hoisington: Okay, so tell me. [crosstalk 00:24:40]. I get you. So, tell me, give us the overview of X3, then what does it entail?

Dr. John Jaquish: o, it’s a way to put extremely heavy loads on the body but safely.

TJ Hoisington: eah.

Dr. John Jaquish: o, people can lift with four, five times what they normally lift with, with high repetitions in a very low injury risk. So, when I say you’re training heavier than you’ve ever trained before, but it’s super safe, well, people worry about the safe parts. They’re not afraid to train heavy. Heavy is relative. If it’s heavy where you can handle it, well, and it’s not so heavy. It just sounds heavy. You might say 550-pound bench press. You’re like, well, show me a 500-pound bench press in the gym. Well, but that’s not what I’m doing.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s 550 here. When I get here, it’s 300. That’s the middle. So, I’m showing the extended position, almost extended [inaudible 00:25:35] degree angle area. And then, when I’m in the middle of the movement at 300 pounds or the bottom of the movement, it’s 100 pounds.

TJ Hoisington: eah. It makes sense to me. I mean, geez.

Dr. John Jaquish: right, right. You exhaust the muscle following the output capacity. Anyone that’s done a push-up knows that when your arms are almost extended, the push-up is easy. When your nose is right against the ground, the push-up is hard.

TJ Hoisington: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. That’s the difference. We have very different capacities in those positions. And when you train accordingly, the muscle will grow quickly.

TJ Hoisington: Okay, what’s your concept or your response to the old phrase, no pain, no gain? Yeah, it’s so stupid.

Dr. John Jaquish: I haven’t had exercise soreness since I turned 40, and I’ve put on now 60 pounds of muscle.

TJ Hoisington: So, you’re saying?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Yeah, I’m close to 240 pounds right now.

TJ Hoisington: And you’re lean and [inaudible 00:26:40]. And you haven’t had to kill yourself to get there is what you’re saying.

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, workouts are hard as hell.

TJ Hoisington: Okay, gotcha.

Dr. John Jaquish: I won’t exaggerate. I won’t ever tell anybody this is easy. I mean, it’s like anything, but I mean, anybody who’s built any sort of physique, I promise you, that path was not easy. Like incredible efforts. You have to truly go to absolute fatigue to get the results.

TJ Hoisington: And I think that’s a life skill, right? I mean, I think about the early days of my business and I think about what people don’t see was the sweat and the tears and the worry, and then I’m failing after fail until my first book came out, and everything took off, and everybody sees what they see.

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s more like the grind. If you exercise, you’re being [inaudible 00:27:27] about a minute long, and you only do one set, by the way, never more than one, I feel that people going into this, I thought people were of a certain intelligence level in a certain laziness level.

TJ Hoisington: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: It turns out, people are far more unintelligent than I thought. Or just unwilling to read, just the absolute unwillingness to learn anything. Maybe we live in a time where a virus is making decisions for us or politicians are making decisions based on a virus. So, for good or bad, I’m not going to debate that. But it’s just, I am in awe of how many people let this run their lives, yet they don’t bother to learn anything about it, completely uninterested in learning about metabolic health. Maybe why this disease looks so dangerous, yet 99.8% of people survive it.

TJ Hoisington: Yeah. No, those are valid points. And so, we sort of go along with some of the talking points and we don’t dig deeper than it to find out, hey, what are the real facts and then make a decision on our own? That’s what I loved about your book. As I read it, I go, “Wow, there are some things I’ve learned.” And let me just put it this way, I’ve learned in the past what I thought were truths. And you turned it around.

Dr. John Jaquish: Especially in fitness, as an industry, where do you find the most fitness information? YouTube and Instagram, videos and pictures? Why? Because the audience probably is not so good at reading. I mean, that’s the level of intelligence we’re dealing with.

TJ Hoisington: Well, let me just say on that point-

Dr. John Jaquish: [crosstalk 00:29:19] read.

TJ Hoisington: I agree with reading. I got to tell you, you don’t know [crosstalk 00:29:24].

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

TJ Hoisington: You don’t know this about me, but I didn’t read my first book till I was a junior in high school because I didn’t believe I could read. But when I listened to that tape by Jim Rohn, who said all leaders are readers and I wanted to be a leader one day, I thought I better work at this, and I did the grind. And I figured it out and now I read all the time.

TJ Hoisington: But then I remember in the year 2000, I saw a little blurb come up on the news that said in 1950, the average teenager’s vocabulary was, to 1950, was 25,000 words. In the year 2000, it had gone down to 15,000 words. And you got to wonder, what’s the depth of knowledge that is out there. And I think that there is something said to read. I challenge everybody to become a reader.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. The younger generation has willful ignorance. They know they don’t want to learn anything.

TJ Hoisington: Interesting.

Dr. John Jaquish: And sometimes, you can break that barrier by making the information a little cooler.

TJ Hoisington: Yeah, I can see that.

Dr. John Jaquish: Presenting it in video like I think I probably got as much attention with people buying the book as I have, with people listening to a video and I wasn’t going, that makes incredible sense.

TJ Hoisington: Oh.

Dr. John Jaquish: If you’re a logical person and you listen to me present the logic of X3, half the haters will still be like, “The guy’s a scam artist. He’s lying about everything.” Like okay, well, I guess I faked like 50 accounts also on Facebook talking about how to gain 20 pounds of muscle in six months or less. And oh, by the way, I would have had to go back in time, because some of these accounts are like 20 years old. Okay. If you want to be that ignorant, you can go do it somewhere else, I guess. Not going to do it on my Facebook page.

TJ Hoisington: Yeah, you have some pretty powerful research in here. Let me say here, I write down, okay, we talked about the strongest people in the world use barbells, not dumbbells. We talked about that.

Dr. John Jaquish: Okay, oh, coincidentally, I backed it up with research also. Again-

TJ Hoisington: No, there’s total research.

Dr. John Jaquish: … I want the listeners, your show, I want the listeners of your show to know, there is 0% my opinion in that book. There’s a study right there that you’re probably looking right at the page, where it says, you use single extremity upper bodywork, you deactivate 20% of the potential musculature. So, you just shot yourself in the foot. You’re not going to get any stimulus.

Dr. John Jaquish: Because your body doesn’t want to fire the muscle if you’ve only got one extremity committed for safety reasons. It doesn’t want you to drop something heavy on your face, self-preservation. It’s called neural inhibition. Your central nervous system will shut muscles down when you’re doing something that could put you at injury risk.

Dr. John Jaquish: When you’re sprinting, and all of a sudden, you step in a pothole or something and you become a little unstable, let’s assume you don’t roll your ankle, you slow down big time. Because the nervous system is like, “We’re unstable. We’re shutting muscles off because we don’t want to hit the ground at high speed.”

TJ Hoisington: These are natural survival mechanisms that we have.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, yeah.

**TJ Hoisington:**vOkay. You say it’s a common misconception that cardio is an effective way to lose body fat. Okay, talk to me, brother, because I think I lean on that a little bit.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, this research has been out there for 40 years, that nobody in the fitness industry was ever smart enough to explain it well or even probably attempt to explain it. I found very little evidence of an attempt.

Dr. John Jaquish: The problem with cardiovascular exercise is it’s trying to make you lighter to go long distances. Well, let’s imagine that the central nervous system is like an engineering team. And it’s rebuilding you all the time to be optimized for your environment. That’s the only way to communicate with the central nervous system. You put it in a harsh environment and it will adjust things to make you able to deal with that harsh environment.

TJ Hoisington: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: If you’re a loser and you sit on the couch all day long, it’s going to start taking structures apart, musculature, bone, tendons, and ligaments because it doesn’t need it. It’s trying to make you more efficient at being a lazy do-nothing person. So, you got to look at the environment you’re putting yourself in. And so, when you go great distances with a limited amount of fuel, and we all have a limited amount of fuel, we don’t have unlimited fuel.

TJ Hoisington: That’s right.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, your body is going to do what the engineering team would do when building an economy car. It’s going to give you a small engine, so you’re going to lose muscle quickly. So, cardio destroys musculature. Now, we also have other research that shows that cardiovascular exercise and strength training provides the same cardiac health because that’s what we’re concerned with health. Running marathons and health are two very different subjects.

TJ Hoisington: True. I remember Bernie Siegel’s, who wrote the book, Love, Medicine, and Miracles pointed that out. He says, “I sit across from my hospital desk. Maybe across from me is a 300-pound person, overweight, who is dying roughly at the same …” This is what he said, and I’m generally speaking, “At the same rate as the person that runs five marathons a year.”

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s right.

TJ Hoisington: And I always thought, “Wow?” And here’s Bernie Siegel, one of the well-known surgeons and so forth. And I thought, wow, I never thought about that.

Dr. John Jaquish: I’ve met him. I’ve never read his book, but I met him.

TJ Hoisington: Have you? Eccentric guy, but I thought, wow. And I listened to him speak one time, I was like, “Wow, this guy’s deep and he’s good.”

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, he’s thinking about … The problem with healthcare is healthcare is not healthcare, it’s disease care. Like medicine and science comes in way too late and someone’s already dug themselves into a hole. We need to get out in front of these things. We need to be the healthiest people we can be.

TJ Hoisington: True.

Dr. John Jaquish: Like, we’re taxing income at record rates now. But we used to tax cigarettes to keep people from smoking. Now, we’re taxing income to keep people from working?

TJ Hoisington: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right, that’s actually what we’re doing. And coincidentally, some people won’t drive for Uber anymore because they get more money to stay at home and not having an income. Was that helpful for the country? It’s a super no. But anyway, what was the question?

TJ Hoisington: I don’t know. This is rich. Hey, John, this is good. You’re feeding me. [crosstalk 00:36:49]. Okay, so, let me just share with you and you tell me what worked and what I did wrong. Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: We’re talking about cardio.

TJ Hoisington: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so, let me share this with you. So, I’ll probably show some pictures, and when we do the post-production so that people can see the difference. Because in my earlier years, I was heavier weight. And I went to church one day, and four of my friends said, “Hey, we’re all a bit overweight.” We’re all at that time, we’re about, I don’t know, 39 years old, somewhere in that ballpark. And they said, “Why don’t we start a little group where every month …”

TJ Hoisington: Well, first of all, we all need to get our weight down. So, here’s what we’re going to do. We’re going to weigh in together as a group on the first of every month. And if you weighed over, the one that weighed the heaviest, because the goal was to get under 200 pounds for each of us. Now, we realized years later that trying to get under a specific weight doesn’t work for everyone’s body, because some people in the group are taller than other people and bigger, and so forth.

TJ Hoisington: So, regardless of that, our goal initially was to get under 200 pounds. If you did not get under 200 pounds and you were the heaviest person, you had to take everyone else out to dinner plus their spouses. So, there was some pain associated with it. Well, listen, within three months, every one of us got below 200 pounds and we kept that off for five years. And then, we thought, “You know what, hey, we’re doing good. We don’t need to keep weighing in all the time. We probably develop some good habits.” And then, we stopped weighing in and checking in with each other. And guess what happened? We started to gain the weight back, and so forth.

TJ Hoisington: But here was my strategy where I went from 235 pounds, and that’s not lean muscle by the way. So, in the beginning, 235 pounds, I got all the way down to about 195 pounds. My wife said at that weight, I looked a little bit like that was maybe too much weight loss for me in a sense, is what she said. But my strategy was this. So, tell me if my strategy works. And so, think about nutrition and think about exercise. This is what I would do. I would eat about 1100 calories a day and I would run. And I run at a 10-minute mile pace. So, we’re talking snail pace. And by the way, part of that is just meditation for me, so I just get on this little thing. And I usually go for about an hour.

TJ Hoisington: And then I eat. Now, to eat 1100 calories a day means you’re eating a lot of natural foods. But what I found was I made sure at night when I had about 5:00, my strongest meal, was some salmon and some broccoli. I made sure I was heavy on the protein and the carbs I would eat were never … Because I couldn’t stay within the 1100 calories. They have never processed food. Right. It was broccoli. It was spinach. And so, throughout the day, I was eating apples and then vegetables. And then at night, I would have that strength. And I tell you what, I lost 35 pounds, and I kept it off for five years. So, what would you say-

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s a very inefficient approach that got you to your success.

TJ Hoisington: Okay, yeah, help me understand.

Dr. John Jaquish: Because a lot of what you lost was muscle.

TJ Hoisington: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Because cortisol goes up chronically when you’re in a cardio training program. Each time you do, it goes up for days and days. If you’re running every other day, you kind of has to keep the endurance up.

TJ Hoisington: That’s right.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, yeah. Now, you’re eating at a caloric deficit. So, that is associated with some fat loss. But your central nervous system, just from the perspective of exercise, is trying to turn you into a Prius, a tiny engine, which means loss of muscle, extra storage. So, cortisol does two things. It gets rid of muscle and preserves existing body fat.

TJ Hoisington: Okay, got it.

Dr. John Jaquish: That you lost, assuming you lost some, but it wasn’t all muscle, was the hardest fat you ever had to lose because your biochemistry was fighting you the entire time.

TJ Hoisington: Okay, I get that. So, what should I have done?

Dr. John Jaquish: It wants you to have a bunch of body fat. Because if you’re going to go distances and needs that fuel-

TJ Hoisington: Yeah.

**Dr. John Jaquish:**Yeah, burn a couple of hundred calories, you need to have that fuel there.

TJ Hoisington: So, what would you have coached me to do differently? I’m eating natural foods. I’m only eating 1100 calories, but I felt alive. I was eating a lot of protein, lean protein.

Dr. John Jaquish: I’m going to add you into a strength program, so you would have lost weight, but you would have looked athletic as opposed to emaciated. And you would feel better. You’d be happier. You’d be much more attractive. Even women with good muscle mass look very feminine.

TJ Hoisington: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: I was dealing with somebody this morning on the X3 forum. And it’s like, “Well, I don’t want to do deadlifts because I don’t want to build my trapezius muscles up, because then I’ll look like a man.” It’s like the only people that look like men are men. You just don’t have the genetics for that. Now, some women do take performance-enhancing drugs and they look like men. Yeah, yeah. They have some masculine qualities, but that’s not natural. So, just forget about it.

TJ Hoisington: So, you would advise me to stop running, eat healthily, but stop running and do more resistance training. Is that fair?

Dr. John Jaquish: But I’ll have you use X3 because then you grow some serious muscle and you’d be at no risk of or very little risk of injury.

TJ Hoisington: You’ve got my curiosity up. I mean, listen, because-

Dr. John Jaquish: If you stop doing cardio and you do X3, you eat right, then you got to get one gram per pound of body weight and protein. There’s a much easier way to do that with bacterial fermentation.

TJ Hoisington: Right?

Dr. John Jaquish: You can be lean. I’m going to [inaudible 00:43:22] deficit pretty much every day.

TJ Hoisington: You are, okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. And I only eat one meal a day.

TJ Hoisington: You do? What time do you eat that meal?

Dr. John Jaquish: Usually 5:00, 6:00. It’s up to me, maybe 5:00.

TJ Hoisington: And do you take any type of protein shake drink anything like that?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, so that’s how I do. I do that right before … Not right before, yeah, like an hour before my meal so I can make sure it’s like through my system. So, I get 200 grams of value in protein through my system. And then, I only have to worry about eating 50 grams, which is that’s like an eight-ounce steak. That’s nothing.

TJ Hoisington: Do you eat a lot of vegetables or no?

Dr. John Jaquish: No.

TJ Hoisington: Really?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

TJ Hoisington: How about fruit?

Dr. John Jaquish: [inaudible 00:44:14].

TJ Hoisington: How about fruits? Wait, say that again.

Dr. John Jaquish: I put that in the book, too. No fruit, no fruit and vegetables. No fiber. Fiber is a joke. We never needed it.

TJ Hoisington: Wait, wait. So, you’re telling me you will not get malnutrition by only eating protein? I was raised to think that if all you did was eat protein, you’re getting malnutrition.

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, your father’s generation was raised to think that leeches were the best thing to reduce a fever, but that was wrong. So, vegetables, not so great. Yeah, so I haven’t eaten vegetables or carbohydrates beyond 80 grams in a sitting when I want to replenish muscle glycogen. There’s a specific protocol and reason you do that, coinciding with a workout. But I haven’t done that. I’ve been just eating like a steak and then vegetables next to it…

TJ Hoisington: In years.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, like five years, four years, four years.

TJ Hoisington: Awesome. So, you’ll take a shake, you’ll have a shake, protein shake plus, and then you’ll have a little eight-ounce steak or something. And that’s good.

Dr. John Jaquish: Anything looks like a shake, it’s clear. It looks like pink lemonade.

TJ Hoisington: What is it? What is it?

Dr. John Jaquish: Bacterial fermentation.

TJ Hoisington: Is that something you offer? Your business offers?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, it’s called Fortagen . Yeah, it’s an adaptation of a cancer treatment to keep … They have initially developed it to keep people from having muscle wasting problems during chemotherapy and radiation. And so, I work with some of the original creators to make it anabolic for muscle size growth as opposed to being anti-catabolic, how to be a little stronger for quite a bit stronger for my needs. But yeah, so I never feel full-bloated or anything and I eat one meal a day.

TJ Hoisington: Wow, you’re shifting the belief systems here. Wow. That’s amazing. That’s amazing. And you look great.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, I would like it … Everybody would be better off if they can have their nutrition from this product is really what you need is protein. You are made of protein. You’re protein and water. And your body needs to consume other proteins, dismantle them all, and put them back together to be assimilated with the human organism as opposed to an animal organism.

TJ Hoisington: Wow.

Dr. John Jaquish: [inaudible 00:47:05].

TJ Hoisington: Wow, wow. Okay, let’s see. I wrote down here, let me move over here. Okay, talk about eliminating sugar. I would say historically, that’s my weakness. So, give us the sugar low down.

Dr. John Jaquish: Let’s see, I think this morning, the European Medical Congress said that, no, they’re not considering exercise here because there’s a glycogen absorption element to the human organism. That was not acknowledged in this study. But they’re saying like, you want to keep carbohydrates under 25 grams a day to reduce your chances of various types of cancer. Yeah, sugar is going to be like an unbelievable villain in the coming years. It’s our biggest problem and the cause of what we think the other problems are, but like heart disease, arterial inflammation.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, now, high cholesterol is good for you, right? Low-density lipoprotein was the devil. And now, the higher your low-density lipoprotein, the longer you live. So, it’s exactly the opposite that we were taught. So, you can eat all the eggs you want, all the steak you want, have all the butter you want, it doesn’t matter. Live long.

TJ Hoisington: So, later in the book, you write about the Atkins diet, if you will and ketosis, and so forth. Are you suggesting that’s closer to the way you live is more of an Atkins-type diet regimen?

Dr. John Jaquish: No, because Atkins at the last minute, add in all these fruits and vegetables crap. And he had no evidence showing it was good. He just wanted to fit in. So, he just didn’t have the balls to write it out correctly. He had all the evidence that animal protein is like the ultimate food. Now, keep in mind, somebody could follow my program and still be a vegan.

TJ Hoisington: I was going to ask you about that. Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, they could just do the bacterial fermentation. So, I mean, I know vegans [inaudible 00:49:28] all meat. Well, okay, yeah, all meat of what solid food I ingest, but that’s still way less than anybody else who’s a meat-eater. I might only eight ounces of turkey or chicken or fish or steak in a day, which is a hell of a lot less than even for somebody who goes to McDonald’s. And I could replace even that protein with Foragen as well, but I like the taste of real foods.

TJ Hoisington: Yeah, no, I’m with you on that. So, do you ever track how many calories you consume a day?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, I mean, you don’t have to follow a program. I do for documentation reasons because a lot of people are looking to me for like … And I’m kind of worried, this is kind of a new program I’m describing because for a while before Foragen existed, I would eat one meal a day, three pounds of red meat. That’s it.

TJ Hoisington: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: That was hard for a lot of people to shut down.

TJ Hoisington: Yeah, I can see that, right.

Dr. John Jaquish: And that last half-pound of steak, they were not loving it.

TJ Hoisington: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Even if you’re like the best steakhouse.

TJ Hoisington: Dude, I did. Twenty years ago, I did the Atkins diet and I lost a lot of weight. And I eat so much bacon, that I won’t eat bacon today because I just burnt out my system of bacon. Right. It was so much. So, when my wife said-

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. You make yourself ill with something. I have trouble with a lot of sausages, even if they’re high quality and there are no nitrates in them. Because I don’t know, I was shopping with my father when I was like five or six. And that was because my mom was back home in Belgium. She’s from Belgium.

TJ Hoisington: Okay . Dr. John Jaquish: This is all-important story, by the way.

TJ Hoisington: No, this is good. I like this. It’s personal.

Dr. John Jaquish: All of a sudden, I was like, “I’m hungry.” I’m like five.

TJ Hoisington: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Five. And my dad probably should have said, “Well, you’re not going to eat till later in the day. So, it’s time to shut up.” But instead, I don’t know, we were going down the street in San Francisco. And there was a hot dog cart. He’s like, “Yeah, have some hot dogs.” He bought me these two New York-styleSiegelof alls. And I’ve never had a hot dog with all the stuff on it.

TJ Hoisington: Oh yeah, no, they loaded it.

Dr. John Jaquish: Like, my mom was in charge of me. My dad, not really.

TJ Hoisington: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, he was just completely like, fish out of water.

**TJ Hoisington:**Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: Next to these hot dogs was the stuff on, I’m like, “Okay, this is different.” So, I eat them both because I’m so hungry. Then we go to the next door. And it was a nice store. He wanted to buy something for my mom. I puked. Like a boot came out of me. It was like the worst vomiting session one can ever imagine. As a five-year-old child, more volume came out of me than I could even contain in the body. It just didn’t agree with me to this day.

TJ Hoisington: I’m with you.

Dr. John Jaquish: Somebody’s like, “Have a bratwurst,” I’m like, “No, I’m good.”

TJ Hoisington: Yeah, I hear that. Right. You were shaped. You were conditioned in a second, back when you were five years old. And that’s airing through today.

Dr. John Jaquish: How many people have had a bad experience with tequila? A lot.

TJ Hoisington: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: And they’re like, “Oh, no, I’ll never drink that again.”

TJ Hoisington: Right, sure.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. And it’s just because of one bad experience. I never had a bad experience with tequila. I can put tequila on the rocks and sip it.

TJ Hoisington: Hey, one thing you and I have in common, I believe, so correct me if I’m wrong, but we both … I used to work with Tony Robbins. You partnered with Tony Robbins. And so, 20 years ago, I was traveling all over the country giving presentations for him and so forth. And I remember one of the things that he would talk about in our early studies when I was with him is early on when he was 25 years old to help people overcome smoking, for example. He’d have them smoke a whole pack at once, sometimes two packs, and it would just flood their system. And from then forward, these people wouldn’t want anything to do with a cigarette within an hour.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

TJ Hoisington: It’s amazing. You can do that to your system. Right? You can purposely do it if you want, but…

Dr. John Jaquish: That you can almost break your body’s tolerance and you just feel so sick and you’re like, all right.

TJ Hoisington: And then you’re anchored and then it’s over, done, yeah. Okay, I was going to ask you about low-calorie diets. You kind of mentioned that you’re on a…

Dr. John Jaquish: Yes. So, I believe in the benefits of fasting.

TJ Hoisington: Yeah. So, do I. Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s well documented. Fasting, if you’re going to compare calorie deficit versus fasting, fasting is superior,

TJ Hoisington: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: No doubt, every study. Even some of the animals. Animal studies are great in this case because you can force an animal to eat only one thing and only so many calories. You can’t force a human to do that. It’s against human ethics boards. So, if they want to go out in the middle of the night, when they’re not at the lab and eat two large pizzas, and then, they just lie and say they didn’t, “I haven’t eaten anything,” people do that all the time.

TJ Hoisington: They do. Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s why animal studies are superior, in essence.

TJ Hoisington: Because it’s controlled. It’s controlled.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right, because you can fix all the variables. Humans [inaudible 00:54:56].

TJ Hoisington: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. So, mice are given the same amount of calories, one set of mice throughout the day, the other set of mice only in one sitting. And of course, they devour. It’s the same calories on both sides. The mice who fasted got more muscular and lost body fat. The mice who ate the same amount of calories but ate it throughout the day got fatter and weaker.

TJ Hoisington: We published the book. We have a publishing company, Aylesbury Publishing. And we published a book from Nu Skin company, a billion-dollar company. And they have some research in there with two monkeys that lived together for 25 years. I remember from the research that we did, this is going back to 2011. But my memory serves me right that of these two monkeys, one was overweight and bloated and the other one was lean and thin and the skin looked young, and everything.

TJ Hoisington: And the one that was bloated and overweight was given as much food as that monkey wanted, whenever they wanted it, so forth. The one that looked great, looked lean and looked younger, and the skin and when they tested the organs, the organs were functioning just right on target.

TJ Hoisington: Where because they make the point in the book, it’s called The Aging Myth. That’s the title of the book. And they pointed out in the research that being on a calorie-restricted diet, putting yourself on the verge of starvation does more good than damage.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, yeah, not chronically. You die if you do it forever.

TJ Hoisington: Fair, yeah. No, totally. But just limiting the amount of food that we take in and so forth. And then taking in, like you said, more of the proteins, because your body is built on proteins is what I’m hearing from you

Dr. John Jaquish: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

TJ Hoisington: Okay, well, I think, hey, listen, the fitness industry has a, you said a 99% failure rate.

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. Some studies back that up, too. Like, the leanest one percentile of people, 10.9%, 11%. Eleven percent is sad. That’s not good at all. That’s like barely, maybe you can see a top abdominal. You can’t see any of the bottom ones because you got quite a bit fat there. And that’s for males. So, the top 1% is still a lot of shapes. Why are we listening to this industry? They have failed. I would almost say, maybe the smarter people are the ones who don’t work out at all. I have a really intelligent friend who’s a financial analyst. He writes the algorithms for hedge funds.

TJ Hoisington: Yup.

Dr. John Jaquish: Brilliant dude. And so, he doesn’t work out at all. He’s slim, not overweight, and he doesn’t have a six-pack or anything. And I’ve asked him, like what don’t you work out? Now, this was before I started X3. So, I was working on it in a futile manner. And he said, “Because it’s futile.” He says, “All my friends work out. They look the same. They’re don’t look any different. They didn’t look any different than me. Slim, no big, fat, guy or anything, but also no six-pack.” He said, “I just don’t see a working.”

Dr. John Jaquish: He says, “I write algorithms. I play the odds. That’s what I do. I play the odds. This is my whole life.” He was a statistician in naval encryption before he got his master’s at Berkeley and then went to work writing algorithms for hedge funds. So, he just understands statistics. And he says, “There’s no point.”

Dr. John Jaquish: Almost everybody who goes into a gym and stays for years and years does jack shit. They look the same. They get no results. And they somehow think that just by beating their head against the wall, year after year, all of a sudden, one day, they’re going to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger. Not going to happen. He says, “I don’t know how it works, but I know they don’t know.”

TJ Hoisington: So, what advice do you have for those people that are constantly for years and years going to the gym and looking the same? What would be your advice to them?

Dr. John Jaquish: Take everything you’ve learned and just emotionally throw it in the trash. Learn something new. Read this book. This will change your life. Yeah. You’ll understand why you’ve never succeeded. It’s crystal clear when you read that book.

TJ Hoisington: Yeah. And every point that you bring up and you said it earlier, every point you bring up you have examples and you have research. You have studies, not your studies, other studies from around the world that point to the efficacy of what you wrote about.

TJ Hoisington: And I was thinking you use it in the book, maybe it’s on the back, you used the word “efficacy” and it made me think about the reason it has a big failure rate is that I don’t recall where I wrote it down. There’s not enough efficacy. You’re not seeing the results from putting all that energy into something. And if you will change what you’re doing, do a little bit differently, get the book, figure out what you need to shift, and then start applying it.

TJ Hoisington: I mean, I’m just thinking about as much as I travel, taking some of the X3 bands or whatever that are appropriate for me and-

Dr. John Jaquish: You get the whole product, not just the bands because they’re worthless by themselves.

TJ Hoisington: What does that mean? Help the audience, these listeners understand.

Dr. John Jaquish: They’re so heavy that if you try and do an exercise … The reason bands training has almost taken off, like 20 times for years and years, is because people realize there’s a logic to putting a heavier load on a stronger range and a lighter load on a weaker range. The problem is, if you don’t have a good way to grab a hold of the bar or a way to protect your ankles from being twisted, it will only take seven pounds of force, lateral force to break an ankle.

TJ Hoisington: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: But when I do a deadlift, guess how much force is running through my feet? 600 pounds. And if I’m stepping on that band instead of having a plate to have the band wrap underneath, I break my ankles.

**TJ Hoisington:**Okay, yeah, right.

Dr. John Jaquish: Like again, the bands by themselves are worth nothing.

TJ Hoisington: So, how do people get the full package? Where do they need to go? What website do you have? Lead our audience into where they need to go to find out more besides the book. By the way, I’m assuming they can go anywhere, bookstores or any bookstores, the books are available.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Go to Amazon.

TJ Hoisington: Amazon, go to Amazon, get the book.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s the cheapest on Amazon. I mean, there’s also an audio version, which I feel like people are liking now.

TJ Hoisington: Yeah, I can imagine.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Well, people who commute, especially.

TJ Hoisington: Yeah, right.

Dr. John Jaquish: They [inaudible 01:02:22] in their car. It’s like, I’ll listen to the book.

TJ Hoisington: Exactly.

Dr. John Jaquish: And there’s a Kindle version. I’m also finding that people don’t love reading books on their phones.

TJ Hoisington: I think I could see that. Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, it’s annoying.

TJ Hoisington: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: I buy textbooks from Kindle that has a lot of things that I might need to reference. I got a lot of physiology and neurology textbooks in my Kindle, in my Kindle app.

TJ Hoisington: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: But that’s the only … It’s like, I just look stuff up. I’m looking to talk about something like there’s an aspect of it I want to get right, so I’d rather quote it directly from a medical textbook.

TJ Hoisington: Yes, right. Falsehood number nine, the anabolic window. The concept behind the anabolic window, you say, is that there’s a time right after the workout where the body is more apt to absorb protein and turn it into muscle? Falsehood, you say a falsehood.

Dr. John Jaquish: You grow when you sleep. Doesn’t matter where you get calories. I mean, you grow outside of sleep, yes. But the majority of it is when you shut down for the night, your body has time to go to work and build more cells and replace bad ones metabolize.

TJ Hoisington: Is that why you eat later, you do a dinner meal kind of a thing? Is that one?

Dr. John Jaquish: Doesn’t matter. My one meal would be breakfast. It doesn’t make a difference at all.

TJ Hoisington: Interesting.

Dr. John Jaquish: While your body cannot store protein, it does have the ability to keep it circulating until it’s going to use it.

TJ Hoisington: Okay, interesting.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, yeah.

TJ Hoisington: So, what would be your thought … I was thinking this as I was getting things done earlier today. And you answered it, I was going to ask you one meal a day or graze throughout the day because those animals that graze throughout the day are the “leanest” animals on the planet.

Dr. John Jaquish: That is not true. But they say that I understand why you’re-

TJ Hoisington: I know. That’s what I’m saying. Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Not true. Yeah. I mean, first of all, lean animals like are cheetahs lean? It eats one meal a week. Not grazing.

TJ Hoisington: Good point.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Any cat of prey, lean? And they-

TJ Hoisington: Space out their meals, yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: And they’re powerful. Also, let’s look at the brain capacity of predators versus prey. The animals that graze are as stupid as cockroaches. These are the deer jump in front of my car.

TJ Hoisington: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Like literally will leap in from my car. What is it? I think there was like in the early 1900s, there was less than 100,000 meal there or white-tailed deer in the United States, and I think we have something like 100 million now because we kill all the predators.

TJ Hoisington: Right, the wolves [crosstalk 01:05:51].

Dr. John Jaquish: Look, people are being killed by deer all the time because deer will just jump right in from your car.

TJ Hoisington: Yeah. And up here in Washington state, well, they come through our property all the time and you have to be careful, they’ll run across the street. We just saw two last night run right in front of our car. I mean, yeah, they’re out there.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, what’s in animals that have very little fat in their nutrition, they have very little cognitive ability also. So, they’re naturally gravitating towards plants. And I just put something out on Instagram, maybe my most recent post.

TJ Hoisington: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: Where I talked about the mental decline of vegans. They lose a lot of cognitive capacities and they become very depressed. And now, of course, they all want to argue with it. And of course, they’re super angry while they argue like, “I’m not impressed.” Okay. You just proved me right with their protests of … Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: But if they seem unhinged at times, they are. And it’s because of their nutrition choices. The brain needs fat. Brain matter is most similar to fat tissue but functions very differently. But its biochemical breakdowns are more like fatty tissue than anything else.

TJ Hoisington: Wow, you got me thinking. I mean, you are busting myths throughout this interview.

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, from medical doctors, a lot of times, exercise and nutrition, they don’t see it as what they do. And they may have personal opinions, but they didn’t study that.

TJ Hoisington: That’s right.

Dr. John Jaquish: Now, they add their ability to read science, which is sometimes limited, sometimes doctors are better at it, but they sought to understand exercise and nutrition as I do, they would come to the same conclusions. An MD that I meet that is well-read in nutrition like they’re not going to be vegan, they’re going to be mostly carnivorous. They’re not going to do cardio. They’re going to do strength training. So, it’s like we have a huge connection with MDs for the whole company, the whole Jaquish Biomedical Company, all products. Physicians are big fans.

TJ Hoisington: Wow, that’s good. So, I just look at your story. And I think here’s a guy who was lean and wanted to gain some muscle when you were a kid because you knew the girls like the guys with the muscle, it seemed like, is kind of what you said in the book.

Dr. John Jaquish: And so, [inaudible 01:08:45] is an adult. Some so many women are like, “Oh, I’m a muscular guy.” That’s just gross. He’s a narcissist. And then like the same girl that will say that, I’ll get up to go to the restroom, and she’ll be meeting me when I’m coming out, and she’s kind of going in and she’s like, “Give me your number.”

TJ Hoisington: Right.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s noticeable. But it’s like virtue signaling. It’s like when somebody is like, “Oh, that group of people, they’re so wonderful and so smart. I love them so much.” It’s like, You’ve never had a person like that at your house, ever. Shut up."

TJ Hoisington: That’s hilarious.

Dr. John Jaquish: The same kind of thing. It’s like they say what they want people to hear, so they can be perceived in some sort of better way. Seems like there’s a lot of that these days and a myriad of different areas. I realized virtue signaling has always existed. Yeah, it didn’t disagree just as it is now.

TJ Hoisington: Agrees, yes. For sure.

Dr. John Jaquish: I mean, it’s a great way to show you’re racist by talking about other groups of people like they walk on water and you’re like, why are you going over the top with this unless you are a bigoted person. Equal means equal. Equal doesn’t mean you have to come to pieces about them.

TJ Hoisington: Yeah, right. Yeah. Well, no, I’m with you. [inaudible 01:10:12]. We don’t need to divide based on skin color and so forth.

Dr. John Jaquish: We should run for office, like really. Everyone is focused on the differences between them and other people. We have a lot more similarities.

TJ Hoisington: 99% similarities [crosstalk 01:10:28].

Dr. John Jaquish: The ethnic group of people, I’m pretty sure everybody wants clean water, clean air, good schools, fair police, love your neighbor.

TJ Hoisington: Yeah. Love your neighbor is a huge one.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s really weird. It’s really weird. Like, you listen to CNN. And it’s like, all racists hate each other and are ready to murder each other at every moment. And you’re like, “Wow, God, the world is a terrible place,” and you go walk down the street. And everybody who looks like they’re from National Geographic, the whole world is like, howdy. I don’t think they want to murder me.

TJ Hoisington: I agree with you. If anyone’s a follower of my podcast, you know I’ve mentioned multiple, multiple times how I’ve traveled the world. And it seems like everywhere I’ve ever gone on all four corners of the world, I’ve only found nice people. I know there are not so nice people, because I had to happen everywhere in the world. And I’ve never met a group of people that was just like, hard to deal with. Never, I have, yeah.

TJ Hoisington: And if you will just have a positive countenance and you have a smile on your face, and you’ll be curious to find out more about their lives and you’re respectful to them, the natural thing is for them to want to be respectful to you. I can only think of one time in my life where I was holding the door for a woman. I’m going to put out a video soon about this, where I opened the door for a woman going into a store.

TJ Hoisington: She was about six paces behind me. I’m holding the door open because I thought I’ll be respectful. I was raised to be a gentleman. I don’t know if that exists anymore. But I was raised to be a gentleman. So, I opened the door, my family’s in the car, they watched the whole thing. Because I just went in for a second. I hold the door. She’s walking in. And all I said was, “Hey, how are you doing today?” And she said, “Don’t talk to me.” I was a little bit dumbfounded. I was like, is she being sarcastic or what?

TJ Hoisington: So, anyway, she went through. So, I thought I’m not just going to let this go. I mean, I don’t want to be treated like that. I did something unkind to you, I thought I was doing. So, I said, “Were you being sarcastic when you said don’t talk to you?” And she goes, “Yeah, it’s my prerogative, isn’t it?”

TJ Hoisington: And I went, wow. I knew at that point, there was probably nothing I could say, to bridge a relationship. So, I let it go. But you know what, that’s the 1/10 of 1% versus the majority. And I wish the world could see that.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, the 1/10 of 1% has got the run of social media though. It’s because nobody wants them around. After all, they suck as people. They can spend all their time on the internet judging people and being, what do they call them now? Karens.

TJ Hoisington: Yeah, yeah, I’ve heard that. So, as a message to everyone listening, let’s delay our judgment. Let’s look for the good. Let’s be quick to forgive. Let’s go to work to be productive.

Dr. John Jaquish: Everybody has something they worry about them.

TJ Hoisington: 100%.

Dr. John Jaquish: You just bother not to find out what it is because you’re busy. Well, that doesn’t mean you should assume that they’re bad people.

TJ Hoisington: Agreed.

Dr. John Jaquish: Just keep going.

TJ Hoisington: Trust first. Look for the good first. Okay. Listen, John, Dr. John, it was great to have you on the Unleash Your Greatness Within podcast. I tell you what, this was enlightening to me to see maybe some beliefs that I had around fitness, around cardio, around how I’m eating, and so forth. I’m going to take it into serious consideration going forward. So, how can people get the X3 product? Is there a website that they can go to to find out more about you?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yes, it’s [X3bar.com] (/x3-bar/), that’s the product website. If they want to connect with me or find out more about me or links to everything, Instagram, YouTube, Facebook, just go to the website, doctorj.com , D-O-C-T-O-R, the letter j dot com.

TJ Hoisington: Awesome. Okay, we’ll put that link up here so everyone can see it. And I hope they go search you out and find out other information that you have shared because I’m sure there’s a lot out there.

Dr. John Jaquish: Sure, the bone health stuff, the information is there. There’s two big, big sections, three big sections, there’s bone health, then there’s superior exercise and superior nutrition. And my solution is really simple. I probably have the cheapest home gym product that’s ever been out. And it’s coincidentally more effective than having access to the Olympic Training Center.

Dr. John Jaquish: And then, the superior nutrition, it’s just bacteria for mutations, one supplement. Like, if you’re going to deal with anybody in the fitness industry to get results on the cheapest guy, and will give you so much more effective than doing anything else.

TJ Hoisington: Okay.

Dr. John Jaquish: So, I’m [inaudible 01:15:15].

TJ Hoisington: I’m going there. I’m going there, I’m going to get some of it. You’re going to coach me through it and we’re going to rock and roll. And then next time you come on the show, I’m going to look better. I’m going to look leaner. I mean, I feel like I’m sharp. But how do I know I can’t be sharper, right?

Dr. John Jaquish: I tell you what, don’t say anything. Don’t say anything at home. Let your wife grab on your arm and be like, “Well, this is different. This feels strong.”

**TJ Hoisington:**Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Because you’re your own harshest critic. You could be making gains. And if you have a bad haircut or something, you’re like, “Yeah, I look terrible. I don’t know this thing’s working.” Let her judge.

TJ Hoisington: Okay, man, it was great to have you on the show. I think it opened my eyes to some things. And I hope the listeners take it with an open mind to consider the ideas that you’ve put forward, and then, get your book so that they can read the evidence and the research that backs up the things that you’ve said today. So, hey, John, it’s great to have you on the show. Thanks for coming on.

Dr. John Jaquish: Thanks for having me.

TJ Hoisington: You bet.

Dr. John Jaquish: All right, see you, TJ.

TJ Hoisington: Hey, there. Thanks for listening. I hope you enjoyed this podcast episode If you did, could you do me a favor? It would mean the world to me if you could write a simple review or give me a star rating. I would really, and I mean, really appreciate it. Thank you in advance. Now, go out there and Unleash Your Greatness Within

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