Ellen Kamhi, PhD, RN interviews Dr. John Jaquish about osteogenic loading. Dr.
Jaquish began his experience in life sciences after being told by his Mother
that she had been diagnosed with osteoporosis. John, in an effort to help his
mother, created a device to place axial loading through bone to safely cause
Osteogenic Loading events. The device was to trigger the effects of high-impact
loading, but without the risk of injury. After successfully reversing his
Mother’s osteoporosis, as part of his doctoral dissertation in biomedical
engineering research at Rushmore University, he conducted four years of testing
with human subjects. Published data has shown, treatment with this Osteogenic
Loading device has resulted in over 14% gains in bone density in both the spine
and hip over one year of once-weekly treatment. Dr. Jaquish has presented at
international osteoporosis conferences worldwide and is on the editorial board
of Diabetes Open, and is a board member of American Bone Health, the global
leader in patient bone health education.
Full Transcript #
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do come to our classes there right in Florida. We have lots of those coming up
as well. And then we switch to on ground here in New York and Long Island for
the summer. We have lots of those classes as well, where we go outside and
actually do herbal identification, where you learn what plants that are growing
right in your yard and in the parks around your house, you can use for food and
medicine. That becomes increasingly important. I mean, it’s a fun topic, but it
also could be, very quickly, at any time, a survival topic. Those people who
understand and know what herbs to use for themselves and their family that grow
outside can make it through a time of no electricity or a time of disaster
management. So just another reason why you want to know about those plants that
is your food and medicine locally at your house. You want to know that. So thank
you again so much for joining us. Today, we have as our guest, Dr. John Jaquish,
and we’re going to be talking about strong bones through osteogenic loading.
We’re going to talk to Dr. Jaquish, who began his experience in life sciences
after being told by his mother that she had been diagnosed with osteoporosis. In
an effort to assist her, he created a special device that places axial loading,
which he’ll define for us, through bone to safely cause osteogenic loading
events, and the device was to trigger the effects of high impact loading, but
without the risk of injury. And after he actually did help his mother to
successfully reverse her osteoporosis, and as part of his doctoral dissertation
in biomedical engineering research at Rushmore University, he conducted four
years of testing with human subjects and published the data, and that shows that
osteogenic loading has resulted in over 14% gains in bone density in both the
spine and hip over one year of once weekly treatments. So, Dr. Jaquish presented
this information at international osteoporosis conferences worldwide, and is on
the editorial board of Diabetes Open, and is a board member of American Bone
Health, the global leader in patient bone health education. The website you want
to look at is OsteoStrong.me, and there is a link right to it on our page and on
our archives here at The Natural Nurse and Dr. Z. So thank you so much for
joining us today, Dr. Jaquish.
Dr. John Jaquish: Thanks for having me.
Ellen Kamhi: And you’re coming in loud and clear.
Dr. John Jaquish: Great.
Ellen Kamhi: So let’s go back in time and tell the listeners our story about how
you got interested in bone health.
Dr. John Jaquish: You kind of said it. It was my mother.
Ellen Kamhi: Please tell us again.
Dr. John Jaquish: I did it when I was in university, and I came home, and like
most kids in school, they’re hungry and they need their laundry done, and I came
home and I could tell my mother was upset about something, and when I asked her,
she said, “Well, I’m going to die.” My mother’s dramatic so I had heard that
before. So I said, “Why do you think you’re going to die, mom?” And she said
that she was diagnosed with osteoporosis. And so, as I began to read about it, I
realized she wasn’t overreacting, because the fracture data, hip fractures have
a similar morbidity rate, mortality rate to breast cancer. So most people don’t
realize that osteoporotic fractures end as many lives as breast cancer does.
It’s not as direct as breast cancer, because there’s a lot of complications that
end up challenging the life of these individuals. But I started reading about
it, and then I told her that this is a disease of deconditioning, and anything
that’s de-conditioned can become reconditioned. I know you talk about similar
things like that all the time. Right?
Ellen Kamhi: Well, that’s true, because the body can rebuild, and by changing
what we’re doing, we can change the outcome.
Dr. John Jaquish: That’s right. That’s right, yeah. Placing the body in a
different environment, so it has to change to attenuate the environment. So I
looked at some of the research that went towards high impact. I realized that
the people in our society that have highest bone density are those who absorb
very high impact, and gymnastics was a perfect event to study. There’s a great
library of literature, because the type of impact that gymnasts absorb is very
repeatable, and like in any experiment, you want repeatable events that you can
measure. So it worked well to analyze this and try and understand better how
they were doing it. As opposed to putting my mother in some sort of high impact
situation, which has a high risk associated with it, I wanted to create
something that gave the benefits of high impact without the risks.
Ellen Kamhi: Okay. Well, let’s do a little bit more definitions here so everyone
understands. What are high impact actions that many people might do without
using a particular machine?
Dr. John Jaquish: Well, low level impact is like heel strike as you walk. Now,
our heel strike changes as we age. Little kids sound like elephants when they’re
running on a hardwood floor, because they’re pounding their heels and they run
very hard, and that is what builds bone density. As individuals get older, we
shift weight towards the toes, and then even in elder years, people walk very
flat footed, so they stop heel striking for the most part altogether, which puts
very little load through the bone mass, and thereby, can stop giving the
osteoblasts, those are the newer bone cells, reasons to pull in minerals and
re-calcify greater tissue around themselves. So relevant loading to building
bone, this has been a little bit elusive to researchers up until recently, and
there was a study done in Bristol, which attached accelerometers to people’s
legs, and then looked at how much load they were going to absorb through their
activities, and this is a wide age and gender study, so very broad population,
so older people, younger people, and then they did blood tests to look for bone
turnover markers, and what they learned was that, of the people who absorbed 4.2
multiples of body weight through their hip joint, they were building bone. If
they did not absorb 4.2 multiples of body weight, they weren’t doing anything to
bone. So this research came out after mine, which was showing the same thing, so
it was great confirmation as to what my research had found, but what was very
interesting is this study actually established a bottom threshold. So to achieve
that level of load, and I think this is what answers your question, individuals
need to drop from something that is greater than 15 inches from the ground.
Ellen Kamhi: Oh, I didn’t know that, because I learned an exercise years ago
where you just, in standing, lift yourself up, like on your toes, and come down
hard on your heels.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, not even close.
Ellen Kamhi: And that’s not going to make you more than 15 inches if you’re
short like me.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, that’s more like two or three. You need to get to 15.
Ellen Kamhi: Okay, I didn’t know that.
Dr. John Jaquish: And part of what I saw in this research effort was that there
is no exercise out there that’s really doing the relevant level of loading that
is providing the venue for people to load themselves in any relevant way. Now,
these resistance exercises, or jumping, or whatever, may do something for
balance, may do something for just neuromuscular engagement, blood flow,
circulation, your cardiac health. Exercise is fantastic, but now that we know,
we can’t kid ourselves into thinking this is going to do anything for bone. So
when developing this device, the idea was we take individuals and put them into
a position where they would naturally absorb impact. So if you fall down and you
can catch yourself, there’s specific positions that you assume. Right?
Ellen Kamhi: Oh, if you tried to catch yourself, like put your arms out to make
Dr. John Jaquish: Right.
Ellen Kamhi: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Exactly. So if you trip and fall, the back of your hand will
align with your clavicle, and the angle of inclusion between the upper and lower
arm will be a 120 degrees. So that is the position where your upper extremities
are the most powerful, therefore, that’s what your reflexes choose to absorb
high impact force. So what the device does, it takes that position, that you
were just talking about, and it allows people to self-load in their most
powerful position, so they can go far beyond what they would ever use in any
sort of conventional exercise. So in the research studies that, one of them, I
did, and another one I helped write up, but it was done in a London hospital,
individuals were, through the hip, between seven and nine multiples of body
weight. So think about your body weight and multiply that by seven, and that’s
how much force they were using through their legs. So these are loads that are
far beyond what individuals could ever get in a fitness venue, and that is why
those triggers within the body were able to grow so much bone so quickly.
Ellen Kamhi: And what did you use for an analysis in terms of the amount of bone
that was built over time through using these particular loading techniques?
Dr. John Jaquish: That was a DEXA scan, dual X-ray absorptiometry. It’s the
standard of a bone density measurement, but we’ve seen it in either bone
turnover markers, and probably the most exciting, and I think from how I’ve
listened to your show, I think is really speaking to the way your listeners
would be thinking about things. A DEXA scan is like taking somebody’s blood
pressure. It is a static test of bone. It is literally an x-ray picture of how
your bone looks to determine the density. But it’s not a dynamic test, and since
we want the bone to perform under load to avoid fracture, right, we want to
increase the functional performance of bone. So the information the device
gathers in output’s reports to the patients and users, it gives you a report
that shows you your functional bone performance. So, like for example, let’s say
an individual, the first time they come in, they may put 500 pounds through
their legs, which is actually a very low number, and that is what they can
comfortably place through their legs at the highest level without departing from
comfort, and then in six months, they may turn that number into a 1,000 pounds
or 1,500 pounds. So it’s very easy to see that the entire kinetic chain,
muscles, tendons, ligaments, and bone, have all improved in their performance
and are able to absorb more force. So we know it’s happening in the bone,
because of the DEXA scans, but we also see the body just comfortably loading,
and we see that event every week that someone does it.
Ellen Kamhi: So you actually are doing a DEXA scan every week? Isn’t that a lot
of radiation for the person?
Dr. John Jaquish: No, we’re not doing DEXA scans every week.
Ellen Kamhi: Okay. I was you’re doing it over time and then figuring it once a
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. What we were talking about is functional bone
Ellen Kamhi: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: So as individuals load, it’s the function of bone that we’re
measuring, how much force can the bone comfortably tolerate, and that number, we
see go up every week.
Ellen Kamhi: Okay. Like, for instance, when we are having a regular workout that
I’m sure many people can relate to, especially if you have a trainer, they’ll be
having a certain weight that you would be using on a particular device, and then
they’ll usually increase it, sometimes not every week, but they would increase
it appropriately for where you’re at, at a particular time?
Dr. John Jaquish: Right, that’s not how this works at all. The output of the
individual is different every time they use the device, so it’s actually
measuring the output of bone. So it’s not like somebody picks a weight. It’s,
you get into a position where you would naturally absorb impact, and then you
self-load in those positions, and the maximum that you’re capable of is the
metric that is captured. So, if one day, you’re capable of 500 pounds, and the
next day it’s 535.5 pounds, that’s the number that’s captured. So it is a
maximum output to fatigue in that position.
Ellen Kamhi: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: Does that make sense?
Ellen Kamhi: So it’s measuring it from the person who’s using the machine?
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. It is a self-loading event from the individual who is
using the device. That’s right.
Ellen Kamhi: Right. Not something that would be increased. It’s just, okay, so
how much are they now reflecting because it’s a measurement?
Dr. John Jaquish: That’s right. Well, it’s a stimulus and a measurement all at
the same time. Provided that they went to fatigue, it stimulates, but we get a
finite number, which is an accurate reflection of their functional bone
performance each session, and if they went through the adaptation of building
bone, that number will go up almost every week.
Ellen Kamhi: That’s funny. Well, does it have a maximum? Or it just continues to
Dr. John Jaquish: Well, thus far, there have been people using it for over five
years and they continue to make progress. Now, in the beginning, sometimes
individuals can gain over a 100 pounds in one movement from one week to the
next. Later on, when their bone density becomes much higher, the gains are
smaller in proportion, but we haven’t really seen the upper ceiling yet.
Ellen Kamhi: Oh, so there’s some kind of station. Right, okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: And for example, there are individuals who put 20 times their
body weight through their lower extremities.
Ellen Kamhi: Okay. So it’s been in use for about five years that you’ve been
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. A lot of that was testing.
Ellen Kamhi: Okay. And so, that, you see, and that’s true about a lot of things.
Like when people go on some kind of weight loss program, if they are being
successful, you’ll usually see a much larger proportion of weight change in the
beginning than you will several months in because you begin to stabilize too.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right.
Ellen Kamhi: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: Well, when the body doesn’t want to reach homeostasis of all
tissues. So ultimately, there are high levels of bone density, but I never had a
bone density issue, but I’ve always used the device since developing it, and I
know my bone density is two standard deviations above normal in both my spine
and my hip. So what that means is, based on the normal degradation curve, if I
never use the osteogenic triggering device I created ever again, and I didn’t
exercise at all, I would have normal bone density, as in the bone density of a
30 year old, when I reach 90 years old.
Ellen Kamhi: So once you’ve used it a particular amount of time, you feel that
it doesn’t regress back to what it was before?
Dr. John Jaquish: That’s right. Or it proceeds on the normal trajectory of bone
loss, but if you have a higher moment, like if right now, I take someone who’s a
50 year old female and she goes through the therapy, does osteogenic triggering
and moves her bone density back to that of a 30 year old, she just changed the
curve, where if you look at the normalized curve, by 20 years. So she may still,
if she stops using it, she’s still going to start losing bone density again, but
she’s starting at such a higher place that she has a lot longer before it ever
becomes a deconditioning.
Ellen Kamhi: Okay, so that makes sense. So how would you define deconditioning?
Dr. John Jaquish: Well, deconditioning is osteopenia, or osteoporosis, when bone
density becomes low enough where there becomes an accelerated fracture risk. So,
like for example, my mother who, in 18 months, went from negative 2.5, she’s a
little lower, it was like negative 2.58 or something, she went all the way, in
18 months, to a score of zero, so back the bones of a 30 year old, but she was
in her 70s at the time, and she just turned 80 and still has a T score of zero.
So at 80 years old, she has the bones of a 30 year old woman, so she probably
won’t have to worry about bone density for the rest of her life.
Ellen Kamhi: That’s fantastic. So is she still getting this therapy? Or like you
said, once you get it, you gain a certain amount, and then it actually holds?
Dr. John Jaquish: That’s right. Well, she’s still doing it to maintain as high
as she can. She’s lucky. She knows the right guy, so she has one of these
devices at home, but most people go to a clinic to do it, OsteoStrong
specifically, the website you mentioned.
Ellen Kamhi: Okay, yes, and we’ll talk about that further, but yes, it’s
Dr. John Jaquish: Correct.
Ellen Kamhi: Is that the right place?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yes.
Ellen Kamhi: Okay, we’re going to go for one little break, our first break right
here. Fascinating discussion that we are having about strong bones through
osteogenic loading, and we’ll certainly talk more about it and how you can
access this technology, when we come back, right here, on The Natural Nurse and
Speaker 3: On this edition of The Natural Medicine Chest, we’ll discuss a herb
we all know and love, cinnamon.
Speaker 4: Ah, spicy, sweet smell of cinnamon. Everyone recognizes the familiar
aroma of this common kitchen spice. But did you know that cinnamon is an exotic
plant bark with a long history of medicinal use in many countries throughout the
world? Cinnamon was listed as a herb with medicinal properties in Chinese
literature as early as 2700 BC. It is described in the Chinese medical text, the
Tang Materia Medica, written in 659 AD. Cinnamon also enjoys traditional use in
Ayurvedic medicine, the ancient healing art of India. It is mentioned in the
Book of Moses and has been cultivated in Ceylon and Sri Lanka since 1200 AD,
where much of the world supply is still grown.
Speaker 3: In Europe, cinnamon was regarded as a rare and precious spice. Many
pharmaceutical substances, such as cough syrups and digestive tonics, contain
cinnamon. It was also used as an incense and in perfumes. According to
Chamberlain, writing in France in 1887, cinnamon possesses the greatest
antiseptic properties. Cinnamon is gathered from the dried inner bark of the
branches of a small tropical evergreen laurel tree. The bark is peeled off, and
as the pieces are dried, they curl up into quills. These are the common cinnamon
sticks that are used in herb teas and for baking.
Speaker 4: In Chinese medicine, cinnamon is one of the most widely used warming
herbs to aid in circulation and digestion. It is a common ingredient, in small
amounts, in tea used for nausea during pregnancy. It is also used following
delivery to decrease hemorrhage. Cinnamon raises vitality, warms and stimulates
all the vital functions of the body, counteracts congestion, improves the
digestive system, relieves abdominal spasms, and aids in peripheral circulation.
The essential oils contained in cinnamon include Eugenol, Cinnamaldehyde, methyl
eugenol, tannins, and mannitol, which gives cinnamon its sweet flavor. It also
contains cinzenoline and cinzenolol which are both known insecticides.
Speaker 3: Try putting some liquid soap and cinnamon in a spray bottle and use
on plants as an organic bug repellent. Cinnamon is also included in many
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Cinnamon has anti-fungal, anti-viral, and bactericidal activities. It has been
shown to suppress e-coli, staphylococcus, and candida albicans.
Speaker 4: So, listeners, the next time you inhale that sweet spicy aroma,
remember there’s more to cinnamon than meets the nose, as you reach into your
Natural Medicine Chest.
Ellen Kamhi: We’re right here on The Natural Nurse and Dr. Z, and I am so
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get certified in herbal medicine through our online teachings, and thank you so
much for your participation. Today, we have, as our guest, Dr. John Jaquish, and
Dr. Jaquish is involved with OsteoStrong, and I’m actually at the website right
now, Osteostrong.me, and it really talks about experiencing the OsteoStrong
difference, and you also have a free session give away on this website, Dr.
Dr. John Jaquish: That’s right.
Ellen Kamhi: What is a session? How do people access a session?
Dr. John Jaquish: Oh, they just need to make an appointment.
Ellen Kamhi: Okay. Well, basically so you designed a machine?
Dr. John Jaquish: Correct.
Ellen Kamhi: Okay. And then it was based on all kinds of science that you
actually looked into initially due to your mom’s issue with osteoporosis. Did
she actually have porosis? Or did she have osteo malaise?
Dr. John Jaquish: She had osteoporosis. That’s right.
Ellen Kamhi: Okay, so she had already been diagnosed, and so then you put a lot
of research and energy efforts into designing a machine. I’m looking at the
picture of it now, and it looks like of like, I mean, if that’s what I’m looking
at, this white thing with a woman standing on it, and then a coach person
working with her?
Dr. John Jaquish: That’s right, yep.
Ellen Kamhi: That whole machine. So now that machine has to be somewhere. It
doesn’t look like a little thing that people could fit in their small-
Dr. John Jaquish: No, no. It weighs about a 1,000 pounds.
Ellen Kamhi: Right, so it’s a major thing. So where would these normally be
Dr. John Jaquish: Well, there is a location finder on Osteostrong.me, where you
can find the location nearest you, and if not, you can contact their office and
help individuals put them in your area.
Ellen Kamhi: Okay. So basically, the kind of practitioner that might have a
machine like this would be who? A workout place? Or a chiropractor?
Dr. John Jaquish: No, no. It’s a clinic. OsteoStrong is a clinic that you go
into and go through the treatment and they ask screening questions and give you
education on bone health. Some of the locations are certified American Bone
Health education locations, and it’s not something to be used in a fitness
Ellen Kamhi: Okay. So it’s not a fitness thing. What about a chiropractor?
Dr. John Jaquish: There are some who have done that. There’s a significant cost
associated with the device, so that doesn’t sort of-
Ellen Kamhi: I would imagine.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, yeah. It’s a $45,000.00 device.
Ellen Kamhi: Right. And so what kind of places would have this? Would a hospital
have it? Would a doctor’s office have it?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, both of those, and then those clinics that I mentioned.
Ellen Kamhi: Okay, because I’m actually looking for one, and I guess there’s a
place that you can put in your city or state, where the location might be.
Dr. John Jaquish: That’s right.
Ellen Kamhi: Because I’m seeing it all over the place, New Mexico, Nebraska,
South Dakota, but how about like New York, Florida, places that are-
Dr. John Jaquish: There’s some in both. I’m not familiar with every one of the
locations, and there’s new ones coming up all the time.
Ellen Kamhi: Well, that’s great. That’s wonderful.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yes, very fast growing.
Ellen Kamhi: And it’s interesting to me that it seems to be focused more in the
Midwest than on the coast, which is always unusual to me.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right.
Ellen Kamhi: So that would be the only way to actually try the machine, is to
find a place that has one, and then see if you can go ahead and try it for
yourself, but we certainly can talk a lot more about bone density screening.
Now, how accurate do you think bone density screening is? Because it seems like
they have several ways of reading it. One is to compare you, like myself, 65
year old woman, to a 25 year old woman, and another way is to compare me to age
Dr. John Jaquish: That’s right. That’s a T score or a Z score.
Ellen Kamhi: Okay. Tell us about the difference between a T score and a Z score.
Dr. John Jaquish: Well, they’re both measures of standard deviation from the
normal, but the normal in a T score is the healthy level of bone, which is
actually 30 years of age, and the Z score normalizes for where most people are,
where they are in their age. So for someone who’s 65, it’s comparing you to what
the norm is for 65. Most physicians just look at the T score, because it gives
people a better read on what’s healthy and where they are compared to their
healthiest, and it’s a little easier to understand, because if you’re an elderly
person, just being as bad as everybody else your age, doesn’t really give you
much information. So it’s the T score.
Ellen Kamhi: Maybe that’s vitamins also. They actually lower what’s considered
normal based on where most people are at, not based on what would be the
Dr. John Jaquish: Say that one more time.
Ellen Kamhi: So vitamins, they often change the required level, what they
consider a normal level, based on the testing of thousands of people, rather
than what the optimum level for optimum wellness would be. So they actually have
downgraded scores to what would stop the development of a deficiency disease,
not what would give us our best operating level.
Dr. John Jaquish: That’s right.
Ellen Kamhi: So it’s a similar concept. So you’re trying to look at a best case
scenario would be what many 30 year olds would have, even if you’re older?
Dr. John Jaquish: That’s right.
Ellen Kamhi: So I’m looking now. A 100 miles from my house, there is not one of
these places. I would love to try it.
Dr. John Jaquish: That’s a journey. Now, keep in mind, you only have to use it
one time per week, so there are people who drive that far because they only need
to do one session per week.
Ellen Kamhi: Okay. So there’s one, it seems like, in, I don’t know, Wesley
Chapel. That’s another thing, very interesting, is that you have them in many of
these very remote areas. It’s funny. Plant City, Florida. Okay, so there’s
nothing near me in Florida. Now, I’ll look by my New York house, because it
seems like it would be excellent. Now, one of the things that’s very important
and what you were looking at is being able to do this osteogenic loading, but
being very, very safe and avoiding the risk of injury.
Dr. John Jaquish: That’s right, and that’s the easiest way to explain it. It is
the benefit of high impact without the risks.
Ellen Kamhi: Okay. And what are some of the other ways to get high impact? I
mean, lifting weights, we often hear about lifting weights in terms of wellness
for bone health. Is that a way to actually do osteogenic loading?
Dr. John Jaquish: Well, that was where we started, and remember when I said 4.2
multiples of body weight is the bottom threshold.
Ellen Kamhi: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, and once that was discovered, everyone in exercise
science has to come to the conclusion that we’re not doing that level. We’re not
coming anywhere near that level of force with resistance exercise.
Ellen Kamhi: Let’s give our listeners some examples. So if someone weighed a 130
pounds, okay, what would be the weight that they would have to work with to
actually get osteogenic loading?
Dr. John Jaquish: They’d need to be around 550 pounds through their legs.
Ellen Kamhi: Okay. Well, I don’t see too many exercise machines doing anything
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Most exercise machines that adults would use don’t even
provide a load that’s that high.
Ellen Kamhi: No. Really, people couldn’t move it, including myself. It would be
like no, I’m not going anywhere.
Dr. John Jaquish: That’s why this was developed. There’s so many people that are
doing exercise and involved in exercise programs, and if that was working, we
wouldn’t really have this disease.
Ellen Kamhi: It does seem to be widely prolific, that’s certainly true.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Ellen Kamhi: So it’s something that we see in the general population. Now, why
is it more prevalent in women than men?
Dr. John Jaquish: Oh well, some of it, endocrine differences between men and
women brought on by menopause. When there’s a loss of estrogen, the bone loss
becomes accelerated, but there’s also the level of loading that each gender
would normally absorb in the earlier years in life to bring them to peak,
because the higher you are at peak, the higher you’ll be for the rest of your
Ellen Kamhi: Yeah. And it’s almost very too bad about that, because a lot of
people start to get concerned much later in life.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right.
Ellen Kamhi: And really, we want it to be earlier in life, but as with most
things, we tend to learn more as we age, and when you’re young, you’re never
thinking that you’re going to be old. I guess you can’t even visualize that and
that’s not your first concern. So it’s certainly true, that basically, the
earlier you get started on a bone health program, the more benefits that you
will reap. But we’re going to take another break, right here, on The Natural
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listening to our show this morning with Dr. John Jaquish, and also anything on
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Ellen Kamhi: Welcome back once again to more, right here, on The Natural Nurse
and Dr. Z. Thank you so much for joining us and we’d love you to join us either
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you can call, which is 800-829-0918. Some people still would prefer to contact
that way. That’s okay as well, and we love to hear from you. Today, we are very,
very privileged to be discussing with a scientist, Dr. John Jaquish, a
technology that he designed and developed, which is called OsteoStrong, and it’s
about creating strong bones through osteogenic loading. For those of you who are
just joining us, you can listen to this show again anytime once it’s on the
archives, which will be probably sometime tomorrow. They do a good job putting
them right up. And we were talking about what osteogenic loading is, and the
fact that he has designed a device that is a perfect solution. Now, how can we
get more of these particular kinds of devices, OsteoStrong device, more widely
available so more people can have access to it, Dr. Jaquish? Hello? Is Dr.
Jaquish still there? I’m not sure. Let’s see. I’m not sure if Dr. Jaquish is
still there, so I’m going to hang up and call back into the station. Oh, there
you are. And welcome back to more, right here, on The Natural Nurse and Dr. Z,
and unfortunately, as sometimes happens in the world, suddenly something
happened with our caller’s phone, so unfortunately, we were not able to complete
the show with him, but just to give out that website so you can find out more,
it’s called Osteostrong.me, and we are talking about osteogenic loading. Now,
one of the things that the doctor said that was very interesting is that lifting
weights often does not give you enough osteogenic loading. However, on the other
hand, I would say that there are many, many studies, and I was going to ask him
about that, showing that, when people did even light weights, there actually was
an improvement in bone matrix and bone mass definitely, and even when they did
these studies, although it’s so much better, like we talked about, to do this
naturally, nonetheless, when people, even in old age homes, remember it’s better
to start younger, but even when you don’t, you can actually help your bones get
stronger, and this is also measurably, even in old age homes. When they start
them on even sitting in chairs and doing weights, they were able to increase
bone density. So the Surgeon General has actually provided unequivocal
recommendations for protecting bone health, and that is nutrition, physical
activity, and of course, preventing falls, and also treating underlying
compromised bone health issues, and that usually has to do with basic nutrients.
So believe it or not, the easiest way to get excellent minerals is eating
vegetables and also including raw vegetables, because very often, when you buy
vegetables, especially non-organic vegetables, they’re going to be from
demineralized soil, where the soil has actually been leeched, and then if you
eat things that are overly cooked, you have low physical activity, and little
sun exposure, these are all big issues. So, you want to eat some raw fruits and
vegetables every day, avoid processed foods. How do you do that? Look in your
cabinets and see if you have things that are all covered with paragraphs. If you
do, throw them out and replace them with whole food, and definitely include
specific bone building nutrients, and those would be things that are very high
in certain vitamins, such as vitamin D. Now, it’s interesting. When you’re
looking at vitamin D, how do you get enough vitamin D? Well, one thing that’s
really great is that, nowadays, every single physician will do a vitamin D test
for you, and what you want to ask them to do is called a dihydroxyvitamin D
test, because vitamin D is so important to bone health and for the ability of
the bones to uptake the mineral matrix. The mineral matrix includes calcium and
magnesium. Many people are also deficient in magnesium. So you want to get a
vitamin D test. Make sure you’re asking them for a 25 hydroxy vitamin D test,
because that is the test that most closely measures the kind of vitamin D that
is actually available for your bones to use. So if you just take a vitamin D
supplement, it may or may not be the right kind of vitamin D for you. I also
suggest, if you decide to take a vitamin D supplement to support your bone
health, that one of the things that you want to do is make sure that the vitamin
D, look at not only the kind of vitamin D, the kind you want is D-3 rather than
D-2. D-3 is called cholecalciferol, while D2 is called ergocalciferol, not as
useful for your body. So once you’ve determined which form the vitamin D that
you have is, read your label. Is it D-3? Or it is D-2? Be sure it’s D-3, but in
addition, look at what’s called the other ingredients. They’re going to be on
the very bottom of the label. So under other ingredients, you want to make sure
you don’t have a long paragraph, which I just saw the other day. Often, in my
classes, I have people bring in their supplements and we evaluate them, and when
you see something that has a long, long list of other ingredients, well you can
look up each thing online, or you can actually just use this rule. If there’s a
long paragraph, do not get that supplement. If you already have it in your
house, throw it out. If it has coloring agents, like dyes and red dyes and all
this kind of thing, you don’t want it there. If it has magnesium stearate,
that’s not even great, because magnesium stearate is a fatty substance. It’s not
as bad as some of the other things. One thing you never want in any vitamin is a
benzoate. Read your labels. Many of the vitamins, especially commercial
vitamins, contain benzoates, and that can interfere with overall health and
wellness. It can also release benzine. Benzine is a highly toxic carcinogenic
chemical, that yes, believe it or not, benzine rings can break off of benzoate
and benzoate is included in things like vitamins, believe it or not, read your
labels. So as part of a bone health regimen, or a natural health regimen of any
kind, you do not want to ingest any benzoates. Read those supplements. So in
terms of, do you need calcium, that’s always a big question that people ask me.
Well, first of all, you need exercise. Exercise, it would be great if you can
access osteogenic loading through what our guest was talking about today. You
can find out at osteostrong.me if there is a center near you, where you can free
trial of the OsteoStrong machine, but if not, all kinds of exercise are helpful,
are helpful. So put that in your routine every day. Even just walking, because
they certainly did light weight exercise regulated activities in old age homes,
and actually found that it was helpful. Another wonderful thing that actually
shows increase in bone matrix mass, believe it or not, which is super
inexpensive, is baking soda. That’s right. Having about a quarter of a teaspoon
in baking soda every day, there’s some really strong evidence that has been
published, because that helps to alkalinize your body, which causes your body
not to leech alkalinizing substances from bones. And I will make only one more
comment. In terms of supplementation, choose magnesium glycinate, and if you are
interested in a specific magnesium glycinate that is the best one to choose, you
can get in touch with me, The Natural Nurse, and I’ll email you a link to the
best kind of magnesium glycinate that has the least additives and is the most
well absorbed. So with that, we’re going to end for today. Unfortunately, we
lost our guest, but we had a wonderful show of strong bones through osteogenic
loading. Look at Osteostrong.me for more information. That was from Dr. John
Jaquish, although we lost him on the phone, and again, thank you so much for
joining myself, Ellen Kamhi, The Natural Nurse, for another edition of The
Natural Nurse and Dr. Z. Until next week, we hope that you stay healthy.