In this week’s episode of The My Sugar Free Journey Podcast, we are talking to
Dr. John Jaquish about OsteoStrong and the
. Full Transcript #
Speaker 1: All right, all right. Welcome to the My Sugar Free Journey Podcast. I
am here today with Doctor Jaquish. So, Doctor Jaquish is someone that I had
tried to get on this podcast for a while. And Doctor Jaquish, your team of
people that get things to you, they’re … Man, it’s hard to find your contact
email and all that stuff online. But I am so glad that you’re here because I am
so interested in what you’ve done and just all the different things that you’ve
got going on. So, before we get into the two things that I’m interested in,
which is OsteoStrong and this
that I’ve heard so much about,
let’s get into your background. Tell us a little bit about how you got to this
point and what your background is and why we should definitely listen to what
you have to say.
Dr. John Jaquish: Okay. 13 years ago, my other was diagnosed with osteoporosis.
And she was devastated. I was a student at the time, and I just … Like, I saw
her suffering and she was worried she would have a fragility fracture, which can
be life ending. 50% chance of death within one year of a hip fracture after the
age of 50, very important statistic. So, she realized that and was upset by it.
And then she also looked into some of the pharmaceutical options and didn’t like
the side effects associated with those. So, I said, “Let me focus on this.” And
so, what I did was I did a literature review just trying to find who has the
highest level of bone density and then why, right? So, we want to find out who
lives the longest. Like, they’ve done a couple of studies, the people in areas
that live the longest. Turns out, it’s because they’re the happiest. But they
isolated that because they kind of tried to figure out why people are living
long. So, for me, it was I needed to find a population of people that had
superhuman bone density, figure out how they did it. I’ll build medical advice
or I’ll come up with something. I didn’t know it would be medical advice. So,
when I started doing literature reviews, it was very obvious, gymnasts because
of the way they hit the ground, they absorb tremendous forces through their
body. And so, therefore, I thought, okay, high impact is building bone density.
And it turns out, there’s more than 100 years of research. The laws of
mechanical trainers induction were written by Doctor Julius Wolff in 1896. So,
what he would do is he’d look at people who went through an impact and then he’d
do cadaver interactions after people would die and saw into their bone, look at
their bone. And then, sedentary people, he’d saw into their bone after they died
at the same age and he’s compare the two. It’s obviously, the more mechanical
loading you put through the body, the more you’re going to be able to influence
bone density. So, I saw this and I said, “Okay. What I’m going to do is I’m
going to create a series of medical devices that will create impact emulation.”
So, what we’re going to do is get people in the impact position, so like hard 20
degree angle of the upper to lower arm. And then the back of the hand in line
with the clavicle. So, everyone who trips and falls, that’s how they protect
them. So, isolate that position. And then allow for self created force. Now, the
positioning is all robotic, so very precise. And there’s a computer system that
monitors the self imposed force as somebody’s pushing away from you. So, through
that process, we were able to influence bone density to an incredible degree.
Like, the trial we did in London through the University of East London, we were
able to demonstrate 13% bone density change in six months. Now, when you take
… This is a postmenopausal population, you take a postmenopausal population.
If you stop your loss … because typically they lose 2% per year. If you just
have them lose nothing in a year, that’s considered a smashing success. So,
we’re heavily influencing the development of their bone density. So, just to put
things into perspective, that type of bone density growth is like taking
somebody from osteopenia back to healthy bone, which is … osteopenia is like
pre-osteoporosis. Or taking somebody with osteoporosis and putting them in the
osteopenia range. And if they keep doing this for let’s say 18 months, you can
get right back to a T score of zero, so the bones of a 30 year old.
Speaker 1: Why do women tend to lose bone density faster than men?
Dr. John Jaquish: They don’t.
Speaker 1: They don’t?
Dr. John Jaquish: Menopause, yes. Childbirth is very … It takes a lot of
calcium out of bone. Like, bone is like a battery for calcium. Calcium is the
only mineral that the body self-regulates. So, we’ll use it every time an axon
and a dendrite fire. Like, every time there’s a nervous system reaction, every
time you blink, every time you breathe, your body is using that calcium. So,
it’s very important. But the body self regulates it. So, actually if you take in
less calcium, your body hangs onto more. If you intake more calcium, your body
gets rid of a lot of it. So, the idea … So, the only way to really change that
homeostasis is to give the body a reason to keep more and more and more. So,
through this mechanical loading, this impact emulation, we have four different
positions we load the body with. And through those loading events, the
individuals are able to absorb incredible forces. And that observation got me to
. But I was taking this postmenopausal population, women who
had never exercised ever. And we got them to the point where day one, they’re
loading 100 pounds through the lower extremities. And they get to the point
where they’re up to 700, 800, and 900 pounds of force. These people never
exercised and they’re postmenopausal women. So, I’m looking at like, okay what
we’re really seeing is, yes these women were getting stronger. But in the effort
of loading bone in emulating this high impact, we’re getting to some hard
numbers that show what we can actually do, what human capability is in these
specific positions. So, now OsteoStrong is in seven different countries and has
127 locations. And helping people improve their bone density everywhere.
Hundreds and thousands of people are being helped. And it’s just … You only do
it once a week, primary mineralization happens between five and 10 days. So,
secondary mineralization takes 140 days. So, the metabolic rate of bone is very
different than the metabolic rate of your cardiovascular system or your
musculature. So, every tissue has a different metabolic rate in the human body.
So, it’s just really important that people get this loading and then they wait,
they wait a week. They come in and they get to view their functional bone
performance, very important term because that’s a dynamic test of how powerful
bone is. So, the gold standard of measuring what bone density looks like is
called a DEXA scan, dual-energy x-ray absorptiometry. And when a DEXA scan looks
… It’s just two x-rays going into your stomach, but it’s looking at your spine
or your hip. And it’s a picture they create. And based on what that picture
looks like, they determine the density or porosity of the bone. Now, what’s more
important, a picture of something or a functional test?
Speaker 1: Well, I think a functional test, for sure.
Dr. John Jaquish: Sure. Like, if you have a cardiac problem, they don’t just
take your blood pressure. That’s just a number. They put you on a treadmill.
Cardiologists puts you on a treadmill and watches your heart rate go up and down
and determine it that way. So, I started looking at these numbers and how people
would come in every week. They can actually watch their functional bone
performance number change week by week. So, they’re capable of putting force
through bone at a higher degree. Now, the regulatory system is … We have a
computer system that tells them what they’re doing in real time. So, they’re
competing with what they did the previous week. But what’s interesting is the
human body’s wired for safety. So, we have a process called neural inhibition.
So, if I squeeze a fist, can I squeeze it hard enough to break my own finger?
Speaker 1: I don’t think so. I’ve never done it.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. Right, you can’t. In fact, this is kind of a graphic
representation, but it takes more force to bite through a carrot than bite
through your own finger. But you can’t bite through your own finger because of
the neural inhibitory process. So, when we load the body like this, it’s very
self regulatory. People need to be relatively ambulatory, not fully, you know?
They can have some joint issues, some biomechanics that they may need to address
also. But they can still load the body. And they need to be relatively pain
free. If they’re hypertensive, that needs to be medicated. And then muscular
dystrophy is the only other contrary indication because this is a very, very
aggressive protein synthesis process that the body goes through. And that
actually accelerates that disease condition, very sad disease. So, other than
that, pretty much everybody can go in and do it.
Speaker 1: Do these machines focus on just the arms, the legs, the hips? Or
which bones are they focusing on?
Dr. John Jaquish: Every long bone in the body.
Speaker 1: Every long bone, okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: Every bone that’s really affected by osteoporosis. So, your
skull doesn’t change when you have osteoporosis. The density of the skull,
probably a good thing. Yeah, I mean, your head’s just as hard when you’re young
as when you’re older. But the humerus bone right here or the clavicle, that can
Speaker 1: Yeah, clavicle especially. So, my listeners know I’ve got a
mother-in-law that lives with us. She’s 91 years old and she had a fall about
two years ago now that I thought for sure that this was going to cause long-term
damage. But when she fell, she hit her head. And she hit her head on the corner
of a door and it just split the skin open. But they went in, they stitched it
up. I mean, she was fine. And she was moving at a pretty … She was running, if
you can imagine a 90 year old woman running. But she was running down a hall,
hit an 80 pound dog and just went flying, caught herself, hit the door, all that
stuff. And she was … She did break her hand, that’s right. But she was fine.
And it just took her maybe eight weeks to recover. And she’s fine, no ill
effects. And so, I mean, obviously she … I mean, when I think of a 91 year old
woman, I think of someone who’s brittle. This woman is just not brittle. And
until very, very recently, she was always very active. She could walk around,
she could … You know, she never stopped moving. And I’ve wondered what it is.
And she eats like us now, you know? She eats a ketogenic diet, a lot of meat.
And I’ve wondered if she’s … What she’s doing to keep her health where it is.
But we got her to stop taking her Statin, because she was just determined. The
doctor told her to take Statin, she’s eating all this red meat, she’s going to
take the Statin. We finally got her to stop taking this. But she still exercises
every morning, she still does her stretches, she still is active, you know? And
then after that, she sits and she reads for like six hours a day. But she’s
still moving and she’s still active and was able to recover from a very, very
bad fall in I would call it record time. I had never seen … I don’t know that
I could have recovered any faster if I would have had the same fall. And she’s
fine. It’s interesting. So, your OsteoStrong machine, is this … Help my
listeners kind of understand. Is this somewhere that you go? Like, you go to a
gym or something that has it? Or to a medical center? Or is it something that’s
Dr. John Jaquish: Clinic.
Speaker 1: You go to a clinic?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, these things are $100,000. You don’t buy them.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: And they’re bigger than a car.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But then you came up with something that people can have at home. And
this was something else that I was interested in.
Dr. John Jaquish: Well, Tony Robbin has them at his houses, but he’s Tony
Speaker 1: Well, he’s Tony Robbin.
Dr. John Jaquish: Let me think if anybody else does. I feel like there’s another
celebrity type that has a setup at their home. But yeah.
Speaker 1: That’s interesting. It’s just-
Dr. John Jaquish: No, I did another sort of home training in the palace, well
one of the palaces in the United Arab Emirates in Abu Dhabi.
Speaker 1: Now, is this something that anyone of any age should do? Or is this
something that you get a little bit older and you want to start taking care of
your bone health?
Dr. John Jaquish: So, peak bone mass happens at 30 years of age, which basically
what that means is based on normative data, which I don’t like because normative
data is based on pretty much everybody who’s doing everything wrong because
that’s the general population, right? When somebody says, “Well, the normative
data says your blood work should look like this.” It’s like, “People are eating
trash and not moving around.” Like, who cares what their blood work looks like?
But ultimately, what was the question? I got totally distracted.
Speaker 1: The age. Is this something that-
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, so you want to do it either to make peak bone mass
higher to just be fracture resistant. Like, let’s say you’re getting ready to
play college football. You’re a high school student, you know you’re going to
continue with contact sports. You want to put that load through your bone. You
want to become fracture resistant. So, putting that force on the body will
heavily influence how powerful bone is. Also, there is some speed changes that
happen. The more powerful the bone is, the less neural inhibition when you
co-strike and push off with your calf and move forward. The stronger the bone,
the bigger the engine. It’s sort of like the chassis in the engine. You can’t
put a peak formula one engine and put it in an economy car. It’d blow the wheels
right off it. But you look at a formula one chassis, that’s a powerful chassis.
So, it can handle that formula one engine. Same thing, you make the chassis of
the body more powerful, it can host a much more powerful engine.
Speaker 1: Now, if you’re loading your bones another way, like if you’re doing a
lot of weight lifting, is there still some benefit to your machines? Or are you
getting the same thing if you’re dead lifting or doing a bench press or
Dr. John Jaquish: So, in 2012 in Bristol, United Kingdom, researchers Deer and
some of the other professors at the university published a brilliant study to
determine what the minimum dose response is to grow bone in the hip. Does that
make sense? So, how much force is required to … Like, when you’re over 30,
it’s like here’s your catabolic activity and here’s your anabolic activity. So,
you’re breaking down more than you’re building. So, what does it take to make
this ration change and have more anabolic activity, growth, and less catabolic
activity, breakdown, because everything’s growing and breaking down. Like,
you’re kind of recycling cells in your body all the time. So, what Deer and
researchers determined is that … They used accelerometers and then regular
blood markers to determine what is happening inside of the body, how much
breakdown, how much building there is. And so, there is the CTX blood test, the
P1NP blood test, and the BAP blood test. The P1NP and BAP are both anabolic
tests. And then the CTX is the catabolic test. What they determined is through
high impact activity, which is what we’re emulating at OsteoStrong, that you
needed a minimum of 4.2 multiples of your own body weight to do anything. So,
like weight lifting is good, but you could pick up like a one pound dumbbell, I
could do this all day long. Am I going to make my bicep any bigger? Nope.
Speaker 1: No, yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. So, we have to have a relevant force. It has to be
exhausting, you know this with muscular growth. But before this, the really …
There had been another study done by [Ritviger 00:19:20] in Ylivieska, Finland
about six years earlier. And they got right around four multiples of body
weight. So, we see some congruency of data. Now, right in there, it wasn’t as
crystal clear of a study as the one out of Bristol. So, now that we have these
data points that determine the minimum dose response. And then there’s yet
another study right after that with one of the other researchers, Tobias,
replicated this and tried to do it with a more elderly population. And they
weren’t able to achieve the 4.2 multiples of body weight, which is kind of
obvious. But he just wanted to make sure, can they tolerate those impacts. They
can’t tolerate the impacts because of the neural inhibitory process. But if it’s
slow and controlled loading because impact is an out of control event, at
OsteoStrong, we control it. That’s the difference. That’s how people can get
these high levels of bone density. Now, when it comes to going to the gym,
clearly I like exercise, right? And we’re watching this on video, I don’t know
if you have a lot of audio listeners. But I like exercise, it’s important to me.
I like being strong. But the strength training that I do, it’s just a completely
different type of exercise. It doesn’t matter how heavy you lift, you’re
probably not influencing bone density very much unless you’re one of the top
strength athletes in the world.
Speaker 1: That’s interesting. Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, os the average person … And I run into women all the
time who may be even pre-menopausal. And they say, “I had a bone density test. I
have low bone density. I don’t understand, I exercise every day. I do weight
training every day.” And I’m like, “Yeah, 4.2 multiples of body weight. I know
you’re not training with that.” So, yeah, you’re not really influencing bone.
So, when I realized that, that’s when I started filing for patents and realized
that this was something that needed to get all over the world and I could
improve the lives, maybe even save the lives of millions of older women. So
yeah, I think I have the coolest job in the world. I wouldn’t trade.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it’s just like you said at the beginning, if you’re an older
woman and you break a hip, you’re really rolling the dice. I mean, who knows
what’s going to happen next? So, that’s pretty cool. I’m glad that exists. And
I’m … Because I found out about Osteo … I don’t even know how I found out
about it. But it’s not something that’s common knowledge. It’s something that I
really think … It’s one of the reasons why I wanted to have you on here is
because there really needs to be more … More people need to know that’s an
option, especially more elderly people.
Dr. John Jaquish: When we have 1,000 or 2,000 locations, it’ll be news. People
will be like, “Yeah, I’ve heard of that.”
Speaker 1: Okay, that’s good.
Dr. John Jaquish: Well, it’s one of those things where when something’s new,
especially when it’s never been done before, a lot of press doesn’t want to
cover it because they don’t want to … Let’s say it’s incorrect, you know? Like
alkaline water, that was talked about years ago and people were saying, “Yeah,
it’s going to end all kinds of diseases.” Alkaline water doesn’t do anything. It
makes the water alkaline. It wasn’t a scam. I think a lot of people went into
alkaline water with the best of intentions. But the problem is the more alkaline
your nutrition is, the more acid your body makes. So, what you eat is not always
what ends up in your biochemistry, right? Sometimes it’s the opposite because
they body’s trying to find a way around this completely inappropriate material
you just put in your body.
Speaker 1: That’s what I always remind people, when you eat something, the first
thing that happens to it is you drop it into a vat of hydrochloric acid. And
then there’s not a whole lot that you’re going to do to influence that. In fact,
there’s not a whole lot that you want to do to influence that.
Dr. John Jaquish: What if the hydrochloric acid’s not there?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Or if you’ve neutralized that acid, the body just starts
Speaker 1: Pumping, yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. This is like the logic of proton pump inhibitors. Yes,
they seem to work and they give you devastating side effects. Like, I tell
anybody who’s used a proton pump inhibitor, change your nutrition. Don’t take
Speaker 1: Yeah, in fact, this is really off the subject, but I am glad now that
Zantac has pretty much been taken off … not totally taken off the market, but
it’s a little harder to get because now we’re finding out that it gives you
cancer. Well, you know, people have been saying that you don’t want to reduce
your stomach acid forever. And now we’ve got proof that the actual molecule of
Zantac, whatever the name of that medicine is, directly causes cancer. And
there’s still people that are going to take it, that swear by it, that are going
to eat crap food and McDonald’s and everything else and then take their Zantac
and just be done with it. It’s frustrating. I mean, it is frustrating for me
especially, just to see people make bad choices, because I know … I mean, I
saw what my bad choices did to me. I don’t want anybody else to go through any
of that. That’s not good. All right, so moving on just a little bit. Now you
have a home system to increase strength. And I’ve seen ads for this all over the
. Have you got it right there? So, there it is.
The X3 Bar
. If you’re watching this on video, he’s showing really
the core piece of the X3 Bar
, the bar.
Dr. John Jaquish: It’s a pretty simple, elegant device.
Speaker 1: Pretty simple. What is it? Tell my listeners what it is and how you
can use it?
Dr. John Jaquish: What happens-
Speaker 1: Or how you just … Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: What happened doing the research is it became apparent to me
that human beings are so much stronger in this impact range of motion. And when
I compared what people normally lift to what I was seeing with these
postmenopausal women, the difference between how we are in our weaker range, so
like when you do a pushup, your nose is close to the ground, versus when your
arm is almost fully extended, there’s a sevenfold difference in capacity. So, if
there’s a sevenfold difference in capacity, why would we pick the same weight in
the joint damaging weaker range than we do in the stronger range? Because the
muscles are really not having a lot of activity in that stronger range. The
stronger you become and the heavier you go, you’re risking joint damage. And a
lot of joint damage is cumulative. So, what we needed was a weight that in the
compromised range of motion is light, lighter than normally we’d handle. In the
middle, something that we might normally handle, maybe even a little higher. But
then where the musculature is becoming more efficient and where the bones are
loaded on their axis, the weight really jumps up. So, I wanted to create a
loading situation where we loaded every part of the body in accordance to
biomechanical capacities. So, when I bench press for example, and I’ve built up
of course. This wasn’t day one. But I hold 100 pounds at the bottom of this
chest press movement. 300 pounds in the middle, and 540 pounds at the top. Now,
I’d never get under a bar with 540 pounds because if I dropped it, I would be
killed. However, it’s very safe because that 540 pounds is only 540 pounds in
that impact ready position. So, I get the benefit of hitting that 540 pounds and
firing all the musculature to get it there, and I can even do that for 20, 30
repetitions. And then I can’t get there anymore. It depends on the speed of the
repetitions. That heavily weighs on how quickly you exhaust. You want to go slow
though because you want the stabilizers to fire. Then you start to fatigue the
middle of the range. So, you go from bottom to kind of halfway and do half reps
if you can’t do those anymore. Then the last few repetitions, we call this
diminishing range. The last few repetitions are maybe just a couple centimeters.
And so, that way it’s complete exhaustion of moves. The evacuation of ATP
glycogenic creatine phosphate is far beyond anything you could ever do with a
weight. The myofibril stimulus is far beyond anything you could ever get with a
weight. You can’t barely do that at all with general weight training because
you’re not firing enough musculature to really give a massive protein synthesis
signal so that more myofibers are formed inside the muscle cells. And then,
because we keep constant tension, the design of the product forces you to keep
constant tension, otherwise the band moves around on your back or chest press or
you kind of lose your grip. So, if you keep constant tension, that creates an
effect called hypoxia, which means that the blood that’s in the muscle stays in
the muscle. It’s not really taking hardly any blood in, it’s not really letting
hardly any blood out, which allows for a greater level of exhaustion of the ATP
glycogenic creatine phosphate. That means it’s a greater signal to store more of
those fuels after the exercise. So, you’re enlarging the cell because you’re
packing more fuel in there, because your body’s like, “We got really low on our
three fuel systems. We’ve got to store a little bit more here, because this
might happen again.” So, I’m resetting homeostasis. And then, of course
testosterone upregulation, this is true of men and women, testosterone is very
important in women too. The determining factor of muscle growth is not actually
testosterone, it’s testosterone receptor site activity. Receptor site activity
calls for your body to create more testosterone. So, what’s the greatest
influence on receptor site activity? It’s mechanical force. So, we’re going
heavier than we ever would at the gym, but only in strategic positions where we
can totally handle it. And we’re going with high repetitions, so we’re living in
this zone of incredible loading of the body and it’s safe. So, we’re getting
more growth because of those four reasons. And it’s phenomenal. You do one set
per exercise, it takes about 10 minutes. So, one day it’s chest press, triceps,
and overhead press, and then squats. And then the next day is deadlift, calf
raises, bent over row, and bicep press. So, there’s eight main exercises.
There’s a couple of supplementary ones, you know? Like the body builder type who
really wants the thick pectorals, you can do like a crossover kind of thing. But
it’s so simple. It takes 10 minutes, and you’re going to grow more than you
would in the whole gym. So, I tell people … Like, people say, “You still lift,
right?” And I said, “Weight lifting is a waste of time. I have something far
better.” It wouldn’t be a waste of time if this didn’t exist. So, the heavy
latex handing hooks to this, and then there’s a second ground that the bands
move and flex underneath because ultimately there is people who’ve been training
with rubber bands like physical therapy. The problem with that type of banding
is it’s very weak, very low levels of force. So, you’re in a contracted
position, like I mentioned, you’re seven times stronger and stronger range. But
if you’ve got a 20 pound band, it’s not going to do anything. There’s no getting
away from heavy. Similar to the bone, you really have to put tremendous forces
through the body to create a change. So, what I did in both regards, bone and
muscle, I made that safe. And then we’re able to get to those places because if
we just had bands, like let’s say somebody were doing … threw a band around
their back and they did a pushup with it. If it were heavy enough … San
Speaker 1: Not in a fire, are you?
Dr. John Jaquish: Funny thing though, usually when they role, something terrible
happened. You know, they’re not getting a cat out of a tree. They’re doing …
Somebody probably OD’d or something. So, it’s San Francisco, you know? We have
the greatest homeless population. Should I say greatest? Nothing great about it.
Speaker 1: Biggest.
Dr. John Jaquish: So, where the hell was I?
Speaker 1: I’m sorry, you were talking about these bands, they’re flexing and
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. If you use a heavier band just by itself, this happens,
you twist your joints. If you step on a band and you try and do like a deadlift,
like a back exercise, your ankles will be twisting inward. So, that causes
neural inhibition. So, either your muscles will just shut down and you won’t be
able to do it, or you’ll actually create an injury. You could even break an
ankle or a wrist. So, the answer was to come up with a bar that could manage
hundreds of pounds of force with rotating hooks to keep level, so there’s no
torque on the wrist. And then what we have is the ground plate. So, the bands
move and flex underneath the plate so that your ankles are fine. It’s just a
flat piece of ground. It’s a second ground you stand on, the band moves
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I always have problems with two things, number one my
right knee. But I think that’s just because I’m old. But my ankles. When I do
anything heavy for a long period of time, my ankles really, really, really start
to ache. And I if I do any … Like, if I try to do dead lifts twice a week for
six months or something, my ankles will start to ache. And when you look at my
shoes, if my shoes ever get … I don’t have them in here. But if my shoes ever
get about four months old, they’re at an incline. I look like I’m bowlegged or
something. And that’s just from me walking around. They wear out unevenly, I
guess I should say. So, my shoes are never flat. My shoes always roll to the
inside and it’s just something that’s weird. So, I have a lot of problems with
doing weight, because I’ve got a deadlift rack in my backyard, or squat rack,
rather. When I exercise, I’ll do that for like three or four months. And then
I’ll be so sore, I don’t want to do it. And then I take some time off to
rehabilitate and to get healthy. And then I forget about it, I’m onto something
else. And I lose any gains that I had. And then I have to go, “Okay, I should
get back to this for a little while.” I found some success with kettle bells. I
love kettle bells and I’ve got a 30 pound kettle bell that I can do a lot of
different things with. But there’s something about my lower body that just
doesn’t work right. So, that’s one of the things I was interesting in your bar
because everything is adjusting as you go. I’m wondering if that wouldn’t solve
some of my problems?
Dr. John Jaquish: The problem is when you’re in those weaker ranges of motion.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Even people with biomechanics issues, they can still restore
impact, maybe not as well. But they can still do it. The highest performance of
the joint is when it’s loaded on its axis. That’s just full stop, you know? It
is. You know?
Speaker 1: So, you said … I’m sorry, go ahead.
Dr. John Jaquish: You’re going to enjoy it.
Speaker 1: Okay. You said you’ve got one set of exercises for day one, another
set of exercises for day two. And then, do you recommend rest days? Do you just
do that once a week? What’s happening there?
Dr. John Jaquish: You start off doing it four days a week. If you’re doing it
four days a week and you don’t want to increase the intensity, so if you’re
somebody who maybe a little nutritionally challenged, maybe not getting the
right nutrients. Now, for me, I am very aggressive with it. Like, I want to get
absolutely as much out of it as possible.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Dr. John Jaquish: You know?
Speaker 1: Sure.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. So, I am just … I’m six days a week.
Speaker 1: Six.
Dr. John Jaquish: I take one day off. 10 minutes a day, also.
Speaker 1: Right, so you’re not doing it a bunch of times.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, people see me and they just imagine I spend two hours in
the gym every day. And I’m like, “No, I workout at home for 10 minutes.”
Speaker 1: The first bodybuilder I ever had on this podcast, it was one of the
questions I asked him. I was like, “It must be five hours a day.” He was like,
“No. About 20 minutes a day.” And I think it was like four days a week, maybe
five. And I had to sit down and go, “Wait.” It did not track with what my idea
of a bodybuilder would do.
Dr. John Jaquish: Most bodybuilders trains longer because stimulus with each set
when you’re lifting a regular weight is just not as efficient as a set here with
. So yeah. I mean, I’ve seen guys strategically be a
little more efficient about their lifting. There are smarter ways you can go
about weight lifting. But yeah, I mean, ultimately, you don’t need to commit a
ton of time, you need absolute fatigue of the muscle. I just came up with a
strategy to do that better than anything else that’s does it.
Speaker 1: What if you have other goals besides just muscle growth? Do you do
any stretching or yoga or anything like that as part of your routine?
Dr. John Jaquish: I recommend yoga. Like, if you have a range of motion problem,
yoga’s awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay. All right.
Dr. John Jaquish: And there’s other stretching programs. Like, a lot of guys are
like, “I’m not going to yoga class.” You know, it’s okay. You can find stuff for
range of motion problems.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do DDP Yoga. I enjoy it. I mean, I’ll do it. And he’s just
got like a 10 minute warmup video and it lives in my phone and I go watch that
before I do anything. And it really helps, because you know, when you … I
spent the first 40 years of my life doing nothing, you know? But getting fatter.
And a lot of times, I feel like a lot of stretching, a lot of doing new things
with my body because it’s just … I was so sedentary for so many decades that I
really need a little bit more. I always feel brittle. Like, I always feel like
I’m right on the edge of an injury, you know, if I push myself or do anything.
So, I’ve learned to slow down, stretch, warm up, all the things that they tell
you to do that I think a lot of people just ignore.
Dr. John Jaquish: Don’t stretch before you lift.
Speaker 1: Don’t stretch before you lift?
Dr. John Jaquish: No.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: It shuts muscles off.
Speaker 1: Really? That’s interesting. Let’s talk about that. Why does that
Dr. John Jaquish: Because you have to warm up. Like, if you do it with regular
, you don’t really need to do a warmup because
the first couple of repetitions, the way the load comes on your body, it is your
Speaker 1: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, but generally warming up, just perform the movement a
little bit lighter than you’re going to move it. When you start to stretch, it
actually shuts muscles off. So, right now, you’ll see a warmup. You won’t see
stretching. And then, you stretch afterwards.
Speaker 1: Okay, see, that’s definitely something I didn’t know. And that’s what
I was telling you, I think before the microphones went on, the nutrition part of
this I love. And I’ve spent so many years digging into this because I’m just
fascinated by it. The exercise part of it, it’s never been a priority for me. I
do a little bit of exercise. But even when I exercise, I’m just trying to grow a
little bit of muscle so that I burn energy a little bit more efficiently and
it’s still … It’s not so much strength as it is trying to continue to lose
weight because I’ve still got about another 40-50 pounds that I want to lose.
And that’s what I’m trying to do.
Dr. John Jaquish: So, your listeners have been following your journey?
Speaker 1: Yeah. When I started this podcast, I was 350 pounds. So, I had
already lost 50 pounds. And so, over the course of this podcast, this is episode
150 plus. So, I think I released 150 the other day. So, this’ll be like 154 or
155 when it comes out. Guys, if you’re listening, don’t hold me to that. I have
absolutely no idea what episode number this is. But yeah, they’ve watched me
lose 150 pounds over the course of this podcast, the ones that have been with me
from the beginning.
Dr. John Jaquish: That’s awesome.
Speaker 1: In fact, I remember … His name just absolutely left me. But he’s a
guy that does street work in New York. Like, all this … Almost like the
parkour stuff. And I cannot think of his name. But he was the first guy-
Dr. John Jaquish: Hannibal?
Speaker 1: Say it again?
Dr. John Jaquish: Hannibal.
Speaker 1: No, it wasn’t Hannibal. But he was the first guy I interviewed at
less than 200 pounds. And I was so happy. It was like, I got up that morning,
weighed myself. I was less than 200 pounds. And then 20 minutes later, I was
talking to him. So, I just was talking about that. That was probably 75 episodes
ago. Actually less than that. It was probably about 50 episodes ago. But anyway,
I digress pretty easily, so I try to stay on target. Sometimes I do it,
sometimes I don’t. But the
interested me for that reason
because of how it adjusts. I wondered if it was something that I could do that
would do less … What would you call it? That would put less stress on my
joints at odd angles, which I think was what was happening. I know when I was
doing squats, I think when I was going down, that my ankles were turning a
little bit. And I think that was what was causing the issue. So, that was one of
the things that seemed interesting about your thing. So, real quick, or you can
just take as much time as you want with this. I’m also interested in what you
eat because I know that you’ve done keto. I’ve been keto for a long time. And I
know recently you’ve got carnivore. This is something that I do for time to
time. Like, I’ll go a month or two of carnivore and then I’ll come back and do
some vegetables, whole vegetables, and then go back to carnivore. I don’t really
know why I go back and forth, it’s just something that some days I wake up and I
feel like I want a salad. But you’ve been carnivore for a long time now. Can you
tell us about that? What made you decide to do that?
Dr. John Jaquish: November 1st, 2017.
Speaker 1: Wow, that’s a long time to eat just meat.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. Right. I’m also not … It’s about getting your
nutrition from the most nutritious place, which is meats. I did a lot of
research. Ultimately, I invented the ultimate fitness product. And so, I
thought, okay. I was already ketogenic, I knew that was the smart way to go.
Dave Asper was a friend of mine, he was a good friend of mine. And so, I bounced
ideas off of him and pretty much recommended a bulletproof diet, which is
Speaker 1: It’s ketogenic, yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Some great advice coming along with it. But I thought, “Okay,
I need to find what is absolutely the best nutrition plan for growing the
greatest amount of muscle and being as lean as possible,” because I want people
to get the best out of
. So, also came across many references
to the two greatest drivers of long life, which there’s a lot of things that are
drivers of long life, but then there’s conflicting research about it. No
conflicting research about these two things. The two things that drive the
longest life are being strong, being lean. So, stronger, leaner people live
Speaker 1: Right. I know caloric restriction is almost always talked about with
some kind of level of intermittent fasting, probably because it leads to
stronger leaner people.
Dr. John Jaquish: Is it caloric restriction? Or are those people just lean?
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Like-
Speaker 1: Cause and effect [crosstalk 00:45:46].
Dr. John Jaquish: Make sure we’re not looking at a variable that causes
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Like, somebody who eats whatever, 600 calories a day and
barely has the energy to get off the couch, versus me where I’m going with
going at hundreds of pounds, my deadlift is over 615 at peak
force. There’s an app for X3 Bar
that tracks how much force you’re
Speaker 1: Okay, I didn’t know that.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right, so I’m putting just huge forces through the body. And
I’m a lean 220 pounds. I might be just as lean as the guy who’s too weak to get
off the couch, but statistically he’s supposed to live a long time because he’s
emaciated? I don’t think that’s the driver of long life. I think it’s the lean
part. So, ultimately, when I looked at all the data and I talked to some of the
strongest people in the world. And when I started talking to these strength
athletes and where they really get their results, it was meat. So, I thought,
“Okay.” I found Doctor Sean Baker.
Speaker 1: That’s the guy, isn’t he?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. He’s the guy. And his Joe Rogan podcast was just
awesome. He’s even done some better stuff since then. Now he’s built up an
audience, it’s his job. But he’s done so many … He lays out the research very
similar to the way I do it. And he and I are friends. I’ve been on his podcast
too. But I discovered what he was saying and thought, “I’m going to do this. I’m
going to try it and let’s see.” And my results were better. I got leaner. My
skin cleared up. Things got better that I didn’t know I had a problem.
Allergies, barely a problem anymore. I used to have debilitating allergies every
fall and every spring. Like, I’m allergic to mold and all kinds of stuff.
California’s got pollen all over the place. I barely … And it was like a light
switch. It wasn’t like two years after I went carnivore, it’s like, “My
allergies are better.” It was immediate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I’ve heard so many stories of that same … I know when I
go carnivore, I lose 10 pounds in a month. I mean, it’s pretty impressive how
fast it goes away, and I think it’s just like-
Dr. John Jaquish: Totally efficient.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: I don’t think I’m ever going to eat a different way.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, that’s good. That’s good. I mean, I think it’s … I’m
very interested in people who can maximize their health efficiently. I don’t
have a ton of time, so I’m always looking for efficiencies. I’m always looking
for ways to get more out of less time. So, again, that’s why I wanted to talk
, but that’s why I wanted to meet you as well because I
think that you’re kind of interested in the same things I am.
Dr. John Jaquish: Awesome.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, Doctor Jaquish, why don’t you tell my listeners what you
… where they can follow you, where they can find out more about the
or OsteoStrong or all that good stuff?
Dr. John Jaquish: There is this osteostrong.me.
Speaker 1: Dot me, okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. That’s the website for OsteoStrong. You can find me on
… My more scientific place to find me is Johnjaquish.com. And then,
J-A-Q-U-I-S-H is the way you spell my last name. And then
on Instagram or then Doctor
John Jaquish on Facebook.
Dr. John Jaquish: Awesome.
Speaker 1: Thanks man, I appreciate it.
Dr. John Jaquish: All right.