
Dr. John Jaquish helped his mother reverse her osteoporosis and now he’s helping
us reverse weakness with his patented X3 Bar
!
If you are a fan of variable resistance, osteogenic loading, the ketogenic diet,
or just building strength, Dr. Jaquish is your man.
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Dr. John Jaquish: When you look at the 12-week program, and you look at week
one, I’m not really in a good shape. I thought I was, but I’m way better shape
now since doing that, put on another 15 pounds of muscle and lost a whole lot of
body fat.
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Bower the podcast where we teach you how to maximize your strength as
efficiently and safely as possible.
Liam: That is right. Today we are talking with Dr. John Jaquish. Dr. Jaquish is
a fascinating fellow. Has all kinds of amazing stuff going on. We’re going to
talk a little bit about some interesting dieting things, ketogenic diets,
intermittent fasting. Dr. Jaquish got started when he noticed that his mom had
been diagnosed with osteoporosis, he became extremely passionate about finding a
way to stop this problem.
And he started developing, he stopped what he was doing and other work, he had
been doing some business stuff. And he got focused all of his attention on
working in how to combat osteoporosis. Basically, he started developing devices
dedicated to that. And through some various prototypes, he eventually developed
something called Osteostrong, you can find out all about it. I originally came
across Dr. Jaquish, because he also has developed separately, a home training
device called the X3 Bar
, which is basically a resistance band
device. Very, very simple and extremely effective. I’ve played with it for
several months now. I got one, we did a workout on the day that we met him. And
it’s an awesome tool, super fun. There’s a ton of videos on YouTube, if you want
to find out more about it.
Jesse: Dr. Jaquish is up to date on some very cutting edge research. He’s
fascinating to talk about if you’re not interested in osteoporosis and combating
it, you should be because two in five women and one in five men will have
osteoporosis at some point in their lifetime. So it affects a huge number of
people in the United States and the world. Important things to know.
Liam: Along those lines as well. As I mentioned, we go into some great stuff
about ketogenic diets, about the intermittent fasting. And along with that, Dr.
Jaquish, we joined him at a interesting place in San Francisco, which you’ll
hear all about I’m sure.
Jesse: The Guardsmen.
Liam: Yeah, the Guardsmen so another charity that he works closely with. Dr.
Jaquish practices what he preaches. He’s looking good. He’s lean and mean.
Jesse: Got the biceps of Hercules. So if you haven’t seen a picture of him,
check him out. Dude is ripped as hell.
Liam: That’s right. He’s about 9% body fat, 230 big and strong. And he’s all
X3 Bar
baby.
Jesse: All X3 Bar
. Please enjoy this interview with Dr. John
Jaquish. So we’re sitting here with Dr. John Jaquish over here in the beautiful
Presidio in San Francisco.
Liam: Aka Dr. J.
Dr. John Jaquish: You can call me Dr. J.
Jesse: All right. Call him Dr. J.
Dr. John Jaquish: He’s a basketball player that’s going to be really upset about
that.
Liam: Can you dunk?
Dr. John Jaquish: No.
Liam: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: No.
Jesse: Not yet.
Liam: We wanted to get that out of the way.
Dr. John Jaquish: Actually, I haven’t since developing my latest product I
haven’t tried. But maybe.
Liam: All right, we’re going to find out. We’re going to find out later. We’ll
leave that on the test board.
Jesse: Okay. So Dr. Jaquish has just put us through a grueling
X3 Bar
workout.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yep.
Jesse: Over here in the headquarters of the Guardsmen, which we were lucky
enough to chance upon here.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Jesse: And we’re feeling the pump. It’s a video right now, biceps are feeling
good.
Dr. John Jaquish: It’s good.
Liam: Yeah, it was a very, very effective. Yeah, I loved it. I mean, I
understood it in concept and it was nice to feel it and experience it live and
in person.
Dr. John Jaquish: Sure.
Liam: Yeah. So we can dive right in with that. Tell us a little bit about that
project for now, like where it came from and why you wanted to do it and what
was the impetus?
Dr. John Jaquish: Sure, sure. Well, a little over 10 years ago, my mother was
diagnosed with osteoporosis. This is before I finished my PhD in biomedical
engineering, hadn’t started yet. I was actually getting my MBA at the time and
my mother, I saw her really worried about a fragility fracture, and she was in
her 70s, so she hadn’t even later in life. And so what I decided was, I wanted
to look into the deconditioning of bone because I told her osteoporosis it’s not
a pathogen, it’s a deconditioning of human tissue. And most tissues that become
de-conditioned can also become reconditioned. If your bicep gets weaker, that’s
not a disease. It’s just like, okay, you can train more.
Jesse: And osteoporosis is super common.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yep.
Jesse: It’s a huge percentage-
Dr. John Jaquish: They’re one in five men have a challenge with their bone
density, so at some point in their life, so as I started researching, what I
wanted to do is find if there’s a group of people out there that has superhuman
bone, who builds the strongest bone density, because that’s probably what we’re
going to learn from the most. And there was a clear winner in that research
contest, which was gymnast.
Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Gymnast, because of the rate, the intensity of absorption when
they hit the ground, not picking themselves up, so way they hit the ground so
hard, sometimes they get 10 times their body weight through the law of
extremities and their hip joints. So I thought, okay, I told my mother, ‘I’ve
got it, you should just be a gymnast.’ In your 70 she did not think that was
funny. But I said, ‘What do you think about me creating a device that gives you
the benefit of absorbing high impact forces without the risks?’
And she didn’t know what the hell I was talking about. So I did it and I build a
prototype, and tested it with her and 400 other people, set up a little like
clinic and started testing people. And within 18 months, she had the bones of 30
year old. So she went from a disease diagnosis state, all the way to a T score
of zero. Where she no longer had this challenge. That’s unheard of.
Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Completely and so-
Jesse: Life changing.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, completely life changing. And now that technology is
available at Osteostrong locations. And I think there’s close to 70 in the
United States. And there’s a couple international but we’re launching four
continents right now.
Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: So painlessly.
Liam: That’s awesome.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Jesse: Massive campaign. You’re partnering with Tony Robbins.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yep. Tony Robbins-
Jesse: [inaudible].
Dr. John Jaquish: … business, yeah.
Liam: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. So and he’s a great promoter. And one of the interesting
things about Osteostrong is… Originally I had a prototype that I was selling
into physicians’ offices, and there were a couple of gyms too. And it wasn’t
working. The device wasn’t working, the business model wasn’t working because
physicians would treat five people and they think, great success and go, ‘Okay,
I’m not changing the world, five people at a time.’
Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: And I would say to physicians, ‘You need to treat 500.’ And
they would say, ‘I don’t even have a parking lot for that.’ So I thought, okay,
and I didn’t know what to do with it. And I met the guy who’s the founder of
Osteostrong. He said, ‘I know exactly what you need’. And this guy had the
vision from probably 10 minutes of listening me speak and nobody else has
anything near resilience.
Jesse: Kismet.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right, it’s got to have its own venue. It’s not a doctor’s
office, it’s not a gym. It’s something different.
Liam: You go there.
Dr. John Jaquish: You call it today, like a bio-hacking studio, but he had this
vision like eight years ago.
Liam: That’s awesome.
Dr. John Jaquish: And so it was incredibly successful right out of the gate. And
then we’re off and running. But that it was the research around this, that
brought me to X3 Bar
. And what happened was when we were doing
research in London, there was a trial run in London. And I participated just
from an authoring and protocol standpoint.
Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: So I can’t obviously, it’s conflict of interest if I’m doing
data collection or something like that. So the British National Health Services,
people did all the DEXA scan and data collection, and I just helped them make
sure they use the device correctly. And then when we were collecting the data,
I’m looking at the data and I think, okay, we’re putting huge forces through
postmenopausal population, especially the hip joint. That’s where the most
research is for osteoporosis. And, in fact, there was another study that was
done a couple years before that, that determined the minimum dose response for
hip growth triggering the bonus 4.2 multiples of body weight. So people who go
for a walk or do yoga, they’re just not getting-
Liam: Nobody’s squatting 4.2.
Jesse: But tricky, because it might be enough for a little while. Because if
you’re doing zero exercise, and you start doing yoga, it might work for a little
while.
Dr. John Jaquish: It’s possible for somebody who’s highly de-conditioned. Well,
no one knows the minimum dose response for the de-condition population
necessarily, what the study found was people who exceeded 4.2 trigger growth,
people who did not exceed 4.2 did not. Also, really important, we’re going to
get to this later, stimulus and adaptation, you’re really only need one
stimulus.
So for example, what and a few other studies determined this without the 4.2
multiples body weight, but they showed that one loading cycle is required to
trigger known growth, one. One stimulus, so like the idea of 4.2 will do it. But
if you have 3.9 you can do that 100 times, and it doesn’t do anything. Not for
bone, might be beneficial for muscle or blood flow or something else.
But when you go to stimulate something, you don’t need more than one experience,
you just want to make that experience relevant to the central nervous system.
Because what we’re doing, we’re creating an extreme environment in which the
central nervous system to say, to thrive in this new extreme environment, we got
to make some changes. And that’s how adaptation works, whether it’s a callus or
a suntan or a muscle growth or whatever.
Liam: Fantastic.
Dr. John Jaquish: So what I determine when comparing the databases from this
study, to what the American College of Sports Medicine keeps, as far as
normative data that people lift through their head joint, were basically seven
times stronger and a strong range or a weak range, set a different way. When we
lift a weight, we’re only training a week range, where we have the least amount
of muscle firing, and where we have the greatest chance of joint injury, where
joints become uncomfortable in a process called neural inhibition starts and
what neural inhibition means is when you’re uncomfortable, muscles start to shut
off. So it’s a self protective mechanism everybody has, you can’t train your way
around it. Like I see guys at gyms that I talked to, and they think because they
wear their hat sideways better than everybody else does that they can power
through any discomfort. No, you can’t.
Liam: It’s like a circuit breaker, right?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, right. Exactly like circuit. As soon as you get to the
discomfort, some muscles just shutting off, you can’t do anything about it. So
when developing X3 Bar
, I thought, okay, what we need is not to
worry about the weight, we need incredible variance. And you guys just
experienced that.
Jesse: So that’s incredible.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. Like so Westside Barbell has broken over 140 world
records, by using variable resistance. Now, they’re actually training people to
do weightlifting events, in different… and actually training them to do the
specific event. So the way they’re approaching it may make more sense for what
they’re doing. But what my goal was, is create a product that can get somebody
as strong as possible with the lowest chance of injury.
So very driven the weight training, very different what Westside was doing. But
what they would do is just in like a bench press, for example, they hold X
amount of weight on their chest, and then add extension, they might be holding
1.2X. Whereas, what I was saying was, ‘No, we need X when the bars on our chest
and seven X when we’re at extension.’ Or something close to that. So a drastic
variance. So when you’re in the weaker range of motion, very easy on joints, and
then so then nothing we can do is we can fatigue the muscles in diminishing
range. Another thing you guys just experienced.
Jesse: Loved it.
Dr. John Jaquish: So first you go to let’s say we’re doing a chest press. So
when I do chest press, I’m at peak it almost full extension, I don’t go to full
extensions, I don’t want to lock the joint 500 pounds. Then once I go through
and I’m at about 15-16 repetitions, then I can’t get there anymore, I can’t get
to that 500 pounds.
So then I go half reps, and maybe hitting 200 pounds with those half reps. And
then I do that for another four or five repetitions, so I can’t get there. Then
the last one or two repetitions, I might only be handling 100 pounds in the week
range. But I fatigue all ranges of motion in one set without letting a lot of
blood in there. So now, because of the strong range, let’s call that phase one
fatigue. We’ve got the structure of the muscle stressed. So a myofibril type
adaptation, that means the thickening of the actual fibers material in the
cells, doesn’t mean cell division, by the way.
Liam: Hyper place job.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, yeah. That’s a theory. That’s the theory that’ll
probably be proven with a biopsy study.
Liam: Maybe yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: If anybody wants to stand in line for a biopsy study, you can
email me. Not a long line. That means I’m going to cut a chunk out of your
muscle.
Liam: Take a plug.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, yeah. It’s not pleasant. So now that phase one fatigue
that you guys just went through in the strong range. That’s more of a myofibril
stimulus. And then the weaker range is emotion fatigue, or evacuating the ATP
glucogenic routine plus way too much more extreme degree, especially with a mid
range fatigue because you don’t do that with weight. You can’t, not in going for
motion.
Jesse: Or you need a spotter or something like that?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, right. You need different strategies to offload where
you’re weak. And even doing those like really strong negatives for somebody else
to do the positive. By the time you get to the weakened range of motion, holding
a load you can’t handle. And it’s so dangerous.
Liam: Yeah, one of the nice things about just having experienced this is the
idea of the user friendliness, I think being able to need spotters. I don’t need
a whole bunch… I mean, once I figure it out small learning curve, I can do
amazing things with the simple set up.
Dr. John Jaquish: Such a deeper level of fatigue, you don’t use spotter.
Liam: I’m not going to drop anything on my foot.
Dr. John Jaquish: No. If it becomes too heavy, you just move into the weaker
range of motion, the weight gets lighter, you can re-grip or put it down and
reposition yourself.
Jesse: Very versatile. Very quick. I mean, I know what you’re advertising is 10
minutes per workout. And easily you can even go faster than that.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, it basically like four sets per workout now. They’re
exhausting sets.
Jesse: Yeah. Yeah, but that’s the point, so work at the most intense that you’re
capable of.
Dr. John Jaquish: And that’s where I go back to the example of stimulating bone
growth with one loading cycle. And it’s something that is seen in Osteostrong,
also, there’s only one loading cycle gives, ‘Is one enough?’ One is always
enough, unless the stimulus sucks.
Liam: As long as it’s meaningful.
Dr. John Jaquish: When you’re lifting a static weight. And you’re not going
through some sort of strategy to offload some of the weaker range of motion or
something like that. You’re not getting the full benefit. You’re not fatiguing
as much as you could. So this is the way where you can completely fatigue all
ranges of motion in one set. And thereby, the growth trigger is phenomenal. And
in two years, I put on 45 pounds of muscle, but there’s actually users who are
giving testimonials and they’re all over the internet, whereas they’re putting
on like in the 12 week program with 10 pounds of muscle. That’s gaining faster
than I was. And there’s one of these guys put on eight pounds of muscle in the
12 week program, he’s 55 years old. That is totally unheard.
Liam: Yeah, that’s awesome.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Liam: Yeah, that’s phenomenal.
Jesse: That’s incredible.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Jesse: So before we signed on, we were kind of talking about how you transitions
from a little bit of a higher volume approach to the single set, we use a
different name, we might call it like a breakdown set, right?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Jesse: When we’re using machines or free weights.
Dr. John Jaquish: Sure you rip some of the weight off.
Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: A few more weight.
Jesse: Exactly. So that version is a little clunkier. I definitely think that
X3 Bar
is a lot smoother transitioning, like for example, when we
were doing the bicep curl, we went full range, and then we fatigued in a more
limited range, and then we’re barely moving. And then when there was no range
left, then we kind of squatted down, stood up and just lowered the bar down for
some bandwagons. Going back to the idea of, maybe you could let our audience
know how you kind of made the transition from you said, you went from being a
three sets of 10 guy to just doing the one set. I mean, why did you make that
change?
Liam: Is it currently supported by that research of the-
Dr. John Jaquish: There’s a lot of research that shows it’s standard, I
shouldn’t say a lot. There’s some research that shows that when you’re doing the
standard weightlifting protocol, meaning no forced reps or anything like that,
just static positives and negatives re-racking yourself that more than one set
is more beneficial for hypertrophy than one set is, but that is because the
stimulus is really poor. And I knew that when I was when I was lifting, because
I was lifting weights for 20 years. I didn’t even get a whole lot out of it. I
looked like I was a guy who exercised. But like now I get stopped on the street
and people ask me like, ‘Oh, are you a professional athlete? Are you a
weightlifter? Are you a wrestler?
Jesse: That’s a nice question to get at.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Jesse: 45.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Jesse: 41.
Dr. John Jaquish: 41?
Liam: You don’t want to push it too far.
Dr. John Jaquish: So, it is a nice question to get and I am blown away that in
my 40s is now where I’m getting this kind of success. It also shows that our
bodies have an ability to adapt way later in life when we thought they didn’t
and it’s just… what’s your strategy for creating an extreme environment?
That’s what I tell everybody that I work with every physician. Bu when I look at
our customer list, there was a while, he was one who was very new. I’m sure it’s
going to lose some 5000 units already. And the product just launched.
Liam: Of the X3 Bar
?
Dr. John Jaquish: Of the X3 Bar
.
Liam: Wow that’s awesome.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. So what I saw in the beginning was a lot of MDs were
buying it because they were going to science page. And I get emails from these
MDs and there’s actually an endorsement from Army Special Operations guy, an MD,
who would who travel with. I don’t know what special operations or special
forces forgive me and listeners who are in the military.
I know those aren’t interchangeable terms. But whatever, I probably get it
wrong, I’m not military. So this individual, immediately read the science page
and contact me and I have known him, he said, ‘Oh, my God, this is phenomenal,
this is the way.’ He said to me, ‘In five years, people going to laugh about how
people used to lift weights. And how about, that’s just our cane by comparison
to what we get out of this.’
Now, I’ve been a little reserved and saying that kind of thing. Because there’s
a lot of people who are emotionally invested.
Liam: Of course.
Dr. John Jaquish: In you say bicep curls to a cross-fitter and it’s just like
you told him, ‘You mean cleats?’ You’re horribly insulted, they’re like family
or something.
Liam: Or it’s like taking pull ups.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. So that’s how my transition went in. One guy I had been
connected with for few years Bill Herman, he’s 1995 Mr. USA, phenomenal guy. He
had always been about one set. I shouldn’t say always, we first started training
was more than three sets sort of thing. But he always been about one set after
beginning his success in the sport, because he noticed that anything else in
nature, when we stimulate the body, you need one stimulus experience, and then
the adaptation happens.
So why would we need more than one? Okay, maybe we need to intensify what we do
in that one set. So it’s E-centric loading and it’s all these highly dangerous
strategies that he was employing, but you had to do it, knowing what you were
doing. So you really had to have a trainer with you or something like that. And
so I flew down to Florida, when I had the first prototype of X3 Bar
,
and I told him, ‘I think I cracked the code here. And I’ve done it with the
world’s heaviest latex. And a custom-made Olympic bar and a ground plane.’
That’s what X3 Bar
is.
It’s those three things and we ship it with four bands. And I could just hear in
his voice like, ‘Oh, men! A band of training, never been anything that’s been
worth doing, other than getting a pump before body shower.’
Liam: Exactly. It’s like the backstage thing.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. And then I put him on like a medium strength band for a
deadlift and instantly he said, ‘Okay, totally more powerful than I thought this
was going to be.’ And he really put some thought behind it. And he’s now
training all of his clients using X3 Bar
.
Jesse: Great.
Liam: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Liam: It could be such a great tool for personal trainers who do in home
training. Because it’s portable.
Dr. John Jaquish: Totally.
Liam: Throw it in their car or in a backpack even.
Dr. John Jaquish: Or they can just have their clients have one, you can keep it
in a drawer. It’s the tiniest and most effective home gym, you can ever had. And
I keep mine in my suitcase.
Liam: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: So everywhere I go, and I travel constantly. That’s another
thing, people… I vascularity my abs. People complain all the time. Executive
types complain all the time, ‘Oh, I’m overweight because I travel. I can’t ever
find a gym.’ Like you’re out of excuses now. Like if you have an
X3 Bar
in your bag, you get the best resistance training experience
that you’re carrying with you everywhere you go, TSA doesn’t like the bar. You
really got to check. I mean, it’s a big metal bar, I get it, they can call it a
weapon.
Jesse: Not check to you. Pardon me.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. Yeah, I can be like, ‘Yeah, but what about the guy with
the cane?’ It’s really funny conversation at San Francisco Airport and she’s
like, ‘Yeah, the cane.’
Jesse: But look at you.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. It’s like, ‘Come on, you don’t need a cane. You don’t
need this bar.’ Okay. But ultimately I think the nutrition recommendations,
especially with the research that’s been out there about ketogenic diet and
intermittent fasting.
Jesse: So there’s a whole program that goes along with that.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. So right. I will say that my nutrition program that
comes with X3 Bar
is there’s a lot of nutrition programs that are
effective. So when somebody said, ‘I tried all the diets and they didn’t work.’
The answer is you didn’t try any of them.
Jesse: You didn’t find the one that works best for you, individually.
Dr. John Jaquish: Maybe, maybe. I can probably build an argument that even some
of the lousier recommendations will cut body fat.
Liam: Like neutral system and they’ll work if you stick to them.
Jesse: Just like massive caloric restriction or whatever.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, you want to lose body fat, and you may feel lousy, but
you may sacrifice some muscle. I believe that the intermittent fasting ketogenic
approach, there’s so much new research on that, and it’s just so effective and
easy. I eat one meal a day now.
Liam: That’s interesting.
Dr. John Jaquish: Really tightened it down.
Jesse: I think I saw two meals in one of your videos. So you did?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. And I’ve choked it, then it became two meals really
close together. And then-
Jesse: Is that Jocko Willing, somebody who’s doing the podcast rounds is big
into the… I think-
Liam: What’s his name also, seems to be into Terry Crews.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Liam: He’s a one meal a day-
Jaquish: One meal a day and it’s not really intermittent fasting. It’s like,
feasting.
Liam: Yeah, right.
Dr. John Jaquish: Because that meal-
Jesse: Is big meal.
Dr. John Jaquish: Big.
Liam: As your one meal a day thing?
Dr. John Jaquish: Oh, yeah.
Liam: Because we have another guy who brought on Steve McKinney, who was one of
our guests. He does the same thing. He only eats one meal a day, but he still
eats like 2000 calories.
Jesse: You have to be amazingly disciplined to only eat one meal a day.
Dr. John Jaquish: I don’t know. Oh, I did a video recently that I put on like a
fan page, not my personal page on Facebook, where I talk about the difference
between motivation and discipline, I think you guys are going to like this.
Jesse: Cool.
Dr. John Jaquish: What I tell people is that if you look to motivation, you have
a picture of whatever your favorite athlete, let’s say Terry Crews. You look at
Terry Crews and say, ‘I’m going to be as fit as that guy.’ The problem is,
there’s 10,000 steps you need to take before you get to that level guys. Highly
elite, athletic, his physique is incredible.
Jesse: Played in the NFL.
Dr. John Jaquish: Played in the NFL.
Jesse: You can’t forget that.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, he did play in the NFL.
Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: And so it’s so far away that the motivation can die one day
and you go, ‘Okay, my friends are eating pizza and drinking beer. Oh, well, I’ll
have a cheat day.’ And like cheat days is not work. And they just set you back.
Jesse: They don’t exist. It’s a cheat week.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. And especially if you’re trying to get to a state of
ketosis.
Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: You’re totally digging yourself into a hole. It’s not worth
it. Like one meal, really? You’re going to screw it all up for the sake of one
meal.
Liam: It doesn’t take much to be bummed out sometimes.
Dr. John Jaquish: Not at all, if you get those strips.
Liam: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: The urine test strips. That will show you how bad you can
screw it up with just one meal.
Jesse: Just eating starchy veggies.
Liam: Yeah. I’ve written a lot about ketogenic diets too for many years.
Dr. John Jaquish: I tell people in this video, forget motivation, focus on
discipline. And Jocko is like that, too.
Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Discipline. Like, everybody, I don’t care how unfit they are,
how little they care about their diet as having one day in their life, where
they had one meal or something like that. And it was really healthy. And then
they were too tired to get that candy bar at the end of the day. And they woke
up in the morning and they felt great, so you can make it through one day. So
the only thing you have to focus on is I just got to get through today, just
discipline.
Like today, I’m not going to screw anything up. Today, I’m not getting any
pizza. Today, I’m not going to have a candy bar, I’m going to have the principal
foods according to the dietary recommendations and we’ll see more. And as soon
as you get there one day, just do that to yourself every day. All of a sudden,
those 10,000 steps you need to take you take in a couple at a time.
Jesse: Yeah. So why don’t you take us through one of your days. So first of all,
how often are you working out right now?
Dr. John Jaquish: So-
Jesse: Every time you have a podcast interview.
Dr. John Jaquish: I work out every time in a talk interview. I would like to
have that many.
Jesse: Dr. Jaquish was working out with us before this interview.
Liam: It was easy, definitely partook, you didn’t just make us do it.
Dr. John Jaquish: See the best-
Jesse: Demo to failure.
Dr. John Jaquish: Guys the best part about this is I got my workout well.
Jesse: Yeah, you did.
Dr. John Jaquish: So I was like I’m going to take you through and then I did
mine too, like do that. So I was with the other Jocko on Monday, Jocko Sims, the
actor, and I was taking them through the whole workout and I had him watch me do
it. And I’m like, ‘Thanks, dude, you’re a great workout partner.’ I was like,
‘Yeah, you actually got your workout today too.’ Yeah, yeah, it’s exactly but
that’s how long it takes is 10 minutes, basically, to get to the four sets, it
actually takes me a little bit longer.
Because the more muscle mass you have, the more blood flow there is to that
muscle. The more cardiovascularly challenged, you become. Which means you got to
catch your breath a little bit. So somebody who doesn’t have my same amount of
muscle mass, you get there quicker. But at the end of set, I’m just gasping for
air.
Jesse: And we saw it on the deadlift. That was a-
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, the deadlift was brutal.
Jesse: So if we can get just a little bit granular, take us through if you’re
going to do your X3 Bar
workout, what exercises are you doing?
You’re doing one set on every exercise?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Jesse: So what are the exercises that you do when you’re actually workout?
Dr. John Jaquish: So, workout one is I do a chest press, a tricep push down and
overhead press.
Jesse: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: So upper body pushing, and then squats. Now the advanced
programming squats, I do one leg at a time. So just a split squat.
Jesse: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: The reason split squat is unless you’re a kangaroo, you walk
on one leg at a time. And I see we use two legs when we stop, when we brace for
impact. So like at Osteostrong, two leg experience is correct. But a two legged
squat, we really don’t fire everything with both legs at the same time. Another
thing is that there’s so much resources going into your quads, your glutes, when
you’re training your lower body, that you don’t want to divide those resources
to both sides.
If you focus on one side at a time, you just doubled the amount of resources
going right there. You doubled, or you have the neural inhibition.
Jesse: Got you.
Dr. John Jaquish: Because you’re focusing on one leg at a time. So like, on that
day on day one is chest press, tricep push down overhead press, and squats. And
this splits [crosstalk]. So that ends up being five because I do-
Jesse: You going to do both.
Dr. John Jaquish: And then the next day, I do deadlift, bent over row, the calf
raises and then bicep curls.
Jesse: Got you.
Dr. John Jaquish: That’s it.
Liam: And then do you ever do any specific midsection stuff? Or you don’t worry
about it? Or you-
Dr. John Jaquish: Deadlift is-
Liam: Yeah, no, I’m just asking for the-
Dr. John Jaquish: Great question. So another principle that’s being triggered.
So the things I have developed, the first was the bone density device, then it’s
really the muscular size, power density devices and X3 Bar
. There’s
another thing that I did, which is much more difficult for people to get their
head around and Caleb works with me and Caleb and I, we did a meta analysis,
first meta analysis sort of written and he had just finished undergrad on
looking at the history of stabilization firing and the pre to post or test group
compared with control group experiences with stabilization firing in growth
hormone levels.
So this is like a new principle of human physiology, where I found 23 different
data sets that were published in various peer reviewed journals around the
world. And nobody had really connected the dots. But in these 23 different data
sets, they all showed the same thing to varying degrees. Now, some of the
cohorts were over 70 years old. Some of the cohorts were teenagers. So I just
ignored the age in an even normalize all that together. And still, we had I
think like a point 0001 P value, which means everybody who engages in the
stabilization firing protocol, while they exercise is up-regulated growth
hormone.
Jesse: Stabilization firing protocol, you mean tightening your abs?
Dr. John Jaquish: I mean, tightening the abs without working the apps. Like-
Jesse: Not directly.
Dr. John Jaquish: Automatic.
Jesse: Overhead press.
Dr. John Jaquish: If you just stand there. You stand on a flat piece of ground.
There’s some kind of tonic contraction that’s going on in your core. Otherwise,
you just collapse.
Liam: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: If I hand you a puppy, and it’s squirming out of your hands,
right? Because that’s what they do, they’re done, they’ll jump right out of your
hand. So if you have anything on this puppy, your core has to compensate in your
stabilization firing goes up.
Jesse: Don’t you drop that puppy.
Dr. John Jaquish: Exactly. You don’t want to drop puppy, no matter how
unintelligent they may be, they’re really cute. So now if we have you do a
weight training experience, especially like an overhead press, or deadlift, now
your core has to up-regulate the amount of stabilization firing, because you’re
not holding an extra, especially with X3 Bar
, because we’re kind of
tricking the body into lifting a lot heavier than it can.
So in the stronger range of motion, we just went through the experience, we’re
holding 300 pounds at the top, which is something we probably wouldn’t just
normally walk up to and say, ‘I’m going to deadlift 300 pounds.’ And then
hitting that four reps. So when you do that, the stabilization firing happens,
and you up-regulate growth hormone to an incredibly high degree. And in fact
now, this study looked at also instability platform type therapies, and that
plus load. Plus very high levels of load in every couple third pole borderline
dangerous protocols in there.
But of course, this isn’t a lab environment where they have like physical
therapists and scientists around to make sure that people are doing the right
thing. But what’s so interesting is they could have regular growth hormone
26-100%.
Liam: Right
Dr. John Jaquish: Over baseline.
Liam: Just by the fact that-
Dr. John Jaquish: Stabilization plus load. And that’s what we’re doing in the
X3 Bar
.
Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. And so we’re up-regulating growth hormone to an
incredible degree, which is why people get lean very quickly. They don’t have to
do cardio or anything.
Jesse: Yeah, add muscle body fat percentage is going to drop.
Dr. John Jaquish: That’s right.
Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, and when you’re doing it, at the same time you’re
contracting the abdominals, you’re up-regulating the hormone at the same time
you’re up-regulating receptor sites.
Liam: And now with you yourself, your AMD workout or wanting to wherever you
want to call it. And now you tend to… correct me if I’m wrong, are you doing
them every other day, like just six days a week, or?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, that’s exactly six days a week, take one day off.
Usually that Sunday, or at least that’s how I recommend in the program, but I
travel so much, it’s just the one day a week, I don’t get any sleep, which is
really long, three days a week. But-
Jesse: So your volume might be a little bit lower, depending on your frequency?
Dr. John Jaquish: No, if it’s three days, I get a lousy night of asleep. I just
suck it up and do workout anyway. But yeah, I mean, when I’m flying across the
world, that’s a lousy night sleep.
Jesse: Yeah. And then so you’re doing the one meal a day. Are you keto 100%.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Jesse: 100% keto.
Liam: What drove you to that direction? The ketogenic stuff?
Dr. John Jaquish: So Dave Asprey has been a friend for a while. And it was kind
of funny, he called me randomly, just I had been fan. Pick up the phone. He
says, ‘Hi, it’s Dave Asprey.’ I had a pause like, ‘Really? What are you calling
me?’ And it was during when I was building the prototype of the bone density
device, if you want to talk about that. And I told him that I was working on
X3 Bar
. And he’s actually the first guy that saw it.
Liam: Okay cool.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, I took it out at his house in his first lab, which is
really just like it’s on his property. And these route takes his celebrity
friends and clients and investors. And we use it in there and I put them through
like an absolute brutal workout. And then the funny part about Dave is, like I
did, Ben Greenfield podcast recently, and I did Dave’s podcast, about a year
ago, that was really more like the launch of X3 Bar
in these
podcasts.
Liam: Is that one up on YouTube?
Dr. John Jaquish: I think there’s a video of it.
Liam: Because I think I saw a video of you talking to him on YouTube.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, that was on YouTube. Yeah, Ben doesn’t do any video,
parades normal podcast. So what I noticed is, Ben is like trying to be as super
athlete as possible, Dave is a bio-hacker, it’s a very different mentality. It’s
like, how simplified and easy can I make this so that it can be accessible to a
larger population.
Jesse: Yep.
Dr. John Jaquish: And so it was very interesting because one is all about the
hardest core tourney you can do.
Jesse: CrossFit Games.
Liam: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: The other one is about the easiest way to get results.
Liam: Sure.
Dr. John Jaquish: And they both absolutely loved X3 Bar
.
Liam: That’s awesome.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Like both of them have continued to do stuff with it and
post videos with their progress and stuff like that. So that really showed me
the discriminating of the high performance athlete and Ben Greenfield was really
cool. But the fact that Dave was all about it too means that we got people all
the way from pro athletes to soccer moms. Liam: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: We’re going to get incredible results out of this.
Liam: Yeah. One of the things I like about the program that you put together, is
the fact that you introduce the nutrition things very sparingly I like the idea
you say, ‘We’re going to talk about this one thing.’
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Liam: And now we’re-
Dr. John Jaquish: One change from every 12 weeks.
Liam: We’re going to add them together. So I think that’s a great idea. You’re
not just going, ‘Here’s all the things that are wrong with your diet let’s fix
it.’
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. If I go to somebody who really needs to lose body fat,
and you don’t exercise, and I tell him, ‘Okay, everything you’re doing now,
you’re not going to be able to do that, you’re never going to be able to drink
beer, eat pizza. Otherwise, you’re just going to screw it all.’ He’s going to
look at me and go, ‘Yeah, I can’t.’ But-
Jesse: Radical life changing.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Liam: I get it all the time, ‘I can’t drink beer? I’m out.’
Dr. John Jaquish: If you make radical life changes with tiny steps. It’s a
little bit like what I was talking about the discipline versus the motivation,
or you just make one little change and then say, ‘Oh, that was one.’
Liam: I like the fact that you started with sugar, was number one. And then
you’re started chipping away.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Liam: Any idea that you’re adding together. So each week, you hold on to what
you’ve earned last week.
Dr. John Jaquish: And then you just add another level to get greater results.
And then when people start to see results, that first, I gained a pound, but I
look leaner. And I get the email like, ‘Whoa, this has never happened even when
I was in high school.’ So the emails and comments online.
Jesse: Is that white bulb, ‘Oh, that’s why I do this.’
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, like that is something special.
Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: And especially in such a short period of time see that and I
think the futility of a lot of the programming out there with weight training.
Jesse: Because the stimulus just isn’t there.
Dr. John Jaquish: Stimulus just isn’t there.
Jesse: You don’t have variable resistance.
Dr. John Jaquish: And I think, the fitness industry, especially people who
follow bodybuilding and weightlifting, there’s a lot of people who aren’t yet
willing to feel let down by their family programs. So it’s like for six months,
they’ve been lifting weights, and they’ve seen almost nothing change but they
figure six more months and something.
Liam: Yeah, you’re absolutely right. And they really don’t know any better. They
don’t know that there’s a way that they can see changes very quickly. They think
you’re just supposed to scratch away and sooner or later, maybe it’ll come in
drips and dribbles.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Here’s another thing, so I had this T-shirt that I wear
in one of my videos, it says, ‘No weights, no cardio, just X3 Bar
.’
We actually sell a T-shirt on the website, very popular T-shirt. But people-
Liam: Shameless.
Dr. John Jaquish: I got flamed online. People just trolls came out of the
woodwork, ‘No, you recommend no cardio?’ And I said, ‘I didn’t recommend no
cardio.’ I said, ‘I don’t do cardio.’ I don’t need because all I want to do is
be lean. And also, by the way, high intensity weight training delivers a very
similar cardiac benefit to cardiovascular training.
Liam: Yeah, absolutely.
Dr. John Jaquish: But here’s what I don’t like about cardiovascular training is
you’re up-regulating cortisol. There is 40 years, can I use profanity on the
show?
Liam: Of course.
Jesse: Go get it.
Dr. John Jaquish: 40 fucking years of research, showing that if you do extended
cardiovascular training, you’re up-regulating cortisol. Now, what does cortisol
do? It protects body fat, that’s one of its primary actions, protects body fat
as in it keeps you from losing body fat.
Liam: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Because it sees stressors on a timescale. So it’s as if we
want to store all this stuff. We want to keep it for later and so If you’re
trying to lose weight by doing cardio, you’re fighting your endocrine system,
which is a battle you’re going to lose.
Liam: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: And so when I go to like amateur running events, you see a
bunch of people who are really not in good shape.
Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: And they talk about how they’ve been running for years. And
their primary objective is weight loss, because I ask people these questions.
Liam: Sure.
Dr. John Jaquish: And you don’t want to tell somebody that their workout sucks,
I mean just leave them because they get offended. It’s like calling somebody
fat.
Jesse: You can tell somebody to smoke too many cigarettes. But you tell somebody
like you’re overweight, I don’t like you. So I’d rather spend a lot of time
running. So if you’re thinking about, wow, that’s all these hours that I’ve
spent.
Dr. John Jaquish: And you listen to the idea that they’ve failed for the last 10
years to get the results they want. But they figure in another year, oh, yeah,
the results are coming.
Liam: Once I get over this tendinitis.
Dr. John Jaquish: Exactly there you go. Yeah. All the joy games soon as you get
past that.
Liam: It’s always something new.
Jesse: But we should be looking forward. And it shouldn’t be, ‘Oh, my God, I’ve
wasted all that time.’ It’s, ‘Oh, my God, look at all the time I’m going to
save.’
Dr. John Jaquish: How about how much I’m going to protect my joints. So if they
love cardiovascular activity, but then they damage the joints in the 20s and
30s. They’re not only not going to be able to do cardiovascular activity,
they’re not going to be able to do much at all.
Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: When they’re in their 40s, 50s, 60s.
Liam: I also started telling people that the muscles, they’re not only the
engine, they’re the shock absorbers too so-
Dr. John Jaquish: They decelerate.
Liam: Yeah, so we increase that we can take more running, so we can improve
running economy, actually, where I work with runners a lot, too. And when I make
them stronger, they’re running it’s better. But we just had Wayne Wescott, I
don’t know if you’re familiar with Dr. Wayne.
Dr. John Jaquish: I know Wayne.
Liam: So we just had him run those recently and his most recent research paper
was showing three groups, one that just did a diet.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Liam: One did cardio and a diet. And one did strength training, increase protein
in the diet.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Liam: And the one that does the worst is the cardio diet group, right?
Dr. John Jaquish: Of course. And the people who only didn’t do cardio, it’s
better.
Liam: Yeah, they did. And it’s like-
Dr. John Jaquish: It’s only 40 years of research.
Jesse: It’s really frustrating.
Dr. John Jaquish: Well, and here’s another thing. We are made aware of things
that have a marketing budget behind.
Jesse: Yes.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. So like it’s amazing to me that the world is finding
out about intermittent fasting. And that’s just gone viral. Thanks to Dr. Jason
Fung. Probably some of you, you have heard Adam podcast.
Liam: Okay. Yeah, were are always open for those connections.
Dr. John Jaquish: He’s Canadian physician, we’ve been treating all kinds of
chronic, morbidly obese situations with intermittent fasting. And we’re talking
like 72-hour fasting.
Liam: Yeah.
Jesse: Main reason being that intermittent fasting helps with increased insulin
sensitivity?
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. Right. And also just repair of the intestines. We’re
not really designed to eat three meals a day. Like if you train your biceps
three times a day will they grow? No, if you-
Jesse: Some people might think so.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, I’m sure there is. Oh, yeah. They’re the commenters on
X3 Bar
.
Liam: ‘More better, what are you talking about?’
Dr. John Jaquish: Exactly. Yeah, I got some real winners and by winners I mean,
not winners.
Liam: I can imagine.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, commenting online. But the… Where was I?
Jesse: Intermittent fasting.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Yeah. So Dr. Fung-
Jesse: Intestinal health.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. He’s pointing out that you’re using this intestinal
organs constantly. Are they really designed for that? Like your heart is
designed to beat all the time. Maybe not at a high rate but it’s supposed to be
going all the time, it’s for that. Your lungs are supposed to be going all the
time, and your intestines?
Jesse: No.
Dr. John Jaquish: No. And you let them recover, they can actually shrink. Also,
there’s a fiber issue and like is fiber really what we think it is? We can’t
digest it.
Liam: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: So even now there’s links to high levels of fiber in the diet
and diverticulitis. So is it really that great?
Liam: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: You may say no. That’s not my field. And I’m not going to
fight that fight I got plenty of battles on.
Liam: Yeah, yeah. Again, the intermittent fasting thing and the ketogenic stuff.
I mean, those are things that I’ve been talking about on and off for like 10
years at least and I’ve done a ton of the cyclical ketogenic diets I use for
myself usually like where I basically keep it keto and then carb up briefly just
to kind of load because I want to sure-
Dr. John Jaquish: I had a call with Dr. Mercola recently and that’s how he sees
it, it ought to be done. What do you think?
Liam: Yeah. I’m a geek. So I read all the stuff I can get my hands on. And then
I always try to take everything I find that’s out there and then make the
simplest version. Kind of like date, I guess, quite a simpler version. Because
early work with the ketogenic diets was pretty complicated with the cyclical and
especially about when you add the carbs and when you don’t and timing things and
all that it got over complicated. So I basically just created a simple version,
which was Monday through Friday, no carbs. On the weekends, add a little carbon
back in.
Dr. John Jaquish: What’s a little?
Liam: And again, the choices matter for me, I like quality so it’s not an excuse
to have pizza and Twinkies and stuff.
Dr. John Jaquish: No value.
Liam: Yeah. But I mean, what I’ll do is I’ll go for as low as I can during the
week, not necessarily anything such as zero. I mean just meat and veggies and
nothing and high fat and all that.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Liam: And then on the weekends, I might add things in like an oatmeal or had
some fruit, those kind of things.
Dr. John Jaquish: Whole wheat pasta.
Liam: Yeah, not even whole wheat because I’m not a wheat person. So in the way
it was designed was the idea that, you replenish the glycogen to really push the
strength training and see it for me, I found that it had the effect of me
getting leaner and more muscles and all that stuff. But at the time, I have to
say, transparently that I never did stay permanently in a ketogenic state. I’ve
never done it that way. I’ve always cycled back in. So I can’t say that it’s
better than not cycling back in. It’s just what I’ve done, but it worked well.
Dr. John Jaquish: Okay.
Liam: Yeah. Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: I tried it a couple times. Yeah, we talked to Dr. Mercola and
he’s very persuasive.
Liam: Does he like-
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, he wrote a book about it. His latest book is about that.
I tried it a couple weeks, and I really just felt like, ‘Screw it. I’m a
ketogenic.’
Jesse: Did you just feel low energy.
Dr. John Jaquish: I felt low energy. And I felt like the next day, I was just
craving all kinds of garbage.
Liam: Yeah, really. So it was a good picture.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, it wasn’t my thing. I remember I did this just this past
Easter. Because my mother, she really wants me to eat all the things that she
comes up with. It hurts her feelings.
Jesse: So it’s challenging social situation?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Finally, I just told her like, ‘Look, results are more
important than me sampling everything you come up with. Sorry, mom. I’m just
going to have to live with me being difficult.’
Liam: That’s okay. You got to set boundaries.
Dr. John Jaquish: Well, unfortunately, she didn’t make a mistake.
Liam: That’s good.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. So yeah, I didn’t get the cyclical results. Now one
thing that we’ll do, and I’ve been experimenting the 14-hour fast, especially
when I travel, because I know like when I go to one of the guys that’s in charge
of international expansion for Austria astronomy, his name’s Gary. He lives in
Marbella Spain but it takes some time to get to Marbella Spain.
You find them all at the airport. It’s not a big airport, you got to change
point somewhere. So it’s just a hassle to get there. And so every time I go back
and forth, and this one I start doing the 48 hour like you’re in an airport in
Germany, all there is, is sausage, chocolate, beer and pastries. Even like a
numeric, like an airport that is like the king of airports, it’s all totally low
quality food. Like I can’t get a decent meal anywhere. So I just went, ‘Okay,
this is my time. I’m going to try 48-hour fast.’
Jesse: If that’s not discipline, I don’t know what it is. All the delicious
things in life, all in one.
Liam: You’re not eating anything?
Dr. John Jaquish: Nothing.
Liam: It’s just fluids?
Dr. John Jaquish: Just fluids, just coffee and water.
Liam: Yeah, awesome.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Yeah, and I don’t really have to like knuckle up. Once
you get past a certain threshold and especially when you’re in some sensitivity
is better. You don’t lose your shit. It’s just like-
Liam: I’m one of those people who seems to thrive in like keto stage. I’ve never
had trouble, I’ve never had keto flu. I mean, I’ve never felt like anybody
pulled the rug out from under me. I can literally stop eating carbs anytime and
feel great. I feel better, actually, the more I reduce them.
Dr. John Jaquish: I definitely had the keto flu.
Liam: Yeah, I never did.
Dr. John Jaquish: First time I tried it, right with the bulletproof diet came
out.
Liam: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yes, I did it the way they did it, but I didn’t do the carb
cycling, so every one of his references, I wouldn’t read the reference paper,
and then the cycling, it’s just like, ‘Wait a minute, you don’t have any kind of
get data here. At least you not that you’re referencing.’ So I just ignored that
part. And yeah, for a good two weeks, I felt pretty crummy.
Liam: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: And then-
Liam: But once you shift gears, it’s amazing, right?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Liam: You feel like-
Dr. John Jaquish: Most of those strips is urine strips. And I encourage
everybody, they cost like a 10th of a penny a piece. Just get like 200 of them.
Liam: Okay, he’s talking about what they call keto sticks.
Dr. John Jaquish: Keto sticks. Yeah, you urinate on them, and they turn a shade
of purple. And now mine turn like so purple, it’s like black.
Liam: And if you’re a cheapskate, by the way-
Jesse: Measuring your key terms.
Liam: Yeah, little trick if you’re a cheapskate is you can actually cut them in
half.
Dr. John Jaquish: You know that, yeah.
Liam: So you can double them up right there, they are cheap. They are cheap,
though. So doesn’t matter. Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Liam: And you guys can buy them at any drugstore, like pharmacies, right?
Dr. John Jaquish: Really?
Liam: Yeah. I think so.
Dr. John Jaquish: Oh, I don’t normally-
Liam: Used to be able to. Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Okay.
Liam: Yeah, I used to just buy them at the pharmacy here, to walk in and grab
them.
Jesse: So switching gears a little bit here. Dr. Jaquish.
Liam: Dr. J.
Jesse: Dr. J. He’s a slam dunk.
Dr. John Jaquish: Nice.
Jesse: Nailed it.
Dr. John Jaquish: Didn’t Dr. J play for the Harlem Globetrotters?
Liam: No, he was originally in the ABA before it got absorbed by the NBA.
Dr. John Jaquish: Oh, okay.
Liam: He’s like star and then he was at the 76th, I think Philadelphia somewhere
like that, when he got into the NBA.
Dr. John Jaquish: Not my sport.
Liam: And he was dynamic.
Dr. John Jaquish: He was, yeah. Okay, I am going to start owning my name. Is he
even alive anymore?
Liam: Yeah, he’s around.
Dr. John Jaquish: Okay.
Jesse: You might have some competition with that.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. As long as we all play one on one, I’m fine.
Liam: He can out dunk you and you can have gotten him.
Dr. John Jaquish: Show my bicep heavy.
Liam: Yeah. But we need to get out and find out if you get dunk, after you’ve
got the extra muscle. You got to see if your hops have improved.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Jesse: We know you can shatter the backboard.
Dr. John Jaquish: Sure. I just have to be able to get to it.
Liam: All right, so we were changing gears.
Jesse: Yeah. So I mean, where do you see X3 Bar
going from here?
What are your goals? How are you building going forward?
Dr. John Jaquish: I believe that, like Dr. Hamada said, In five years… I’m
paraphrasing what he said. But something like in five years, people are going to
laugh and go, ‘Remember when we used to lift weights? Man, that was dumb.’
Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: And I’m not calling people who lift weights dumb. I’m just
saying this is an advancement. And the advancement isn’t necessarily in the
tool, though I do have a patent on tool is really fully grasp and what we need
is not wait, it’s massive variance. One thing, I’ll say that’ll be a showstopper
and every training conference I speak, I’ll say, ‘So if we want to address the
full range, with the same way, why don’t sprinters use 180 degrees of action
behind the knee? Why do they want to use seven?’ They only use seven degree of
action on the knee why?
Jesse: Because they want to generate-
Dr. John Jaquish: Why don’t they bend the knee more when they contact the
ground? And so everyone sort of looks at each other and they go well, ‘They
wouldn’t go very far or fast if they did that.’ So we choose our strong range of
motion. We know where we’re more powerful. So our reflex is due, we jump off a
table, you don’t land with a 90 degree angle behind your knee. You land in 120
degree angle behind the knee.
Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: So landing mechanics that was like the understanding of that
was the impetus. So when looking at that, and then looking at how we can adjust
the weight, with a very powerful variance product, which is X3 Bar
bar, we can trigger so much more growth in such a safer way, in such a simple
way. I also am seeing now there’s a number of gyms that are out there that are
all X3 Bar
. They’ve got a couple, they got like a functional wall. A
couple other things. But no racks, no weights, it’s all X3 Bar
.
Liam: Wow.
Dr. John Jaquish: And so like I’ve been approached by a couple different
companies to say, ‘Okay, how do we come up with a little like studio model or
something like that.’ But-
Liam: Yeah it makes it certainly, doesn’t mean you don’t need a lot of space.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Liam: Yeah. I mean, you could-
Dr. John Jaquish: It could be mobile.
Liam: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: The guys that do like the boot camps in the park?
Liam: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: They could do it with just as much proficiency as somebody
with a small like studios. But the good news is you can do it in the studio
space where you have other things going on.
Liam: There’s been some over the years. There’s been some amazing technology
that hasn’t addressed variable resistance like back in the 70s obviously had
Nautilus had created the cam. And at one point Arthur Jones veteran machine
called the duo squad which did something called negative cam. And it actually
vary the resistance exactly as at the bottom of the leg press title.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Liam: It might be only a few hundred pounds, but by the end, it’s over 1000
pounds.
Dr. John Jaquish: That’s right.
Liam: So he figured that out too, but that is a big giant machine.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, he was very much… I’ve read everything that Arthur has
written. I believe. There might be something I hadn’t found.
Jesse: Are you familiar with ArthurJonesExercise.com?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, of course.
Jesse: Yeah, awesome.
Liam: So the guy that John Turner, he was one of our guests too.
Dr. John Jaquish: Oh, really? Okay.
Jesse: One of our first guys.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, Arthur was just way ahead of his time. And I think he
made it similar. I don’t call mistake, let’s call it he made similar decision
that I made. Which one of them benefits of social media advertising is you can
see what works and what doesn’t.
Liam: Sure.
Dr. John Jaquish: And you can see the interactions, you can see the troll
comments, you can see all this stuff. And then you go, ‘Wait a minute, okay. So
people apparently don’t want to learn anything.’ Or very little, like learning
is not all that popular.
Jesse: Or at least the people that aren’t interested are very vocal.
Dr. John Jaquish: Well, I don’t think it’s quite like that. It’s that the more
successful advertising is just like me and there’s a couple of my daily fitness
model. Just using the product.
Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: And I think some understand variable resistance, they can tell
like those two are really using some heavyweight at the top. That’s going to
stimulate something so then of course, I might… And I don’t manage any of
these things anymore, I have staff that does it. And they’ll put like in the
comments of the video to like the scientific lectures, doesn’t even watch a
scientific lecture. Don’t want to. So much more successful just using the
product.
Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: And that was very interesting. But I think as a career move,
Arthur, only wanted to talk about the science of the cam.
Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: And it was just lost some people. In fact, later on Nautilus
just went to round police. They gave up and sold the company.
Liam: Yeah. And then he started a second company, which you may know called
Medics.
Dr. John Jaquish: Medics. Yeah. Very expensive equipment.
Liam: Yeah. So it’s cool stuff. But the nice thing about this your product
obviously is it’s portable. It doesn’t take up any space. I mean, Medics is
awesome Jesse and I get to play on it sometimes. But it costs a lot of money. It
takes up a lot of space.
Dr. John Jaquish: Oh, yeah. I think they’re like price, the Medic select price
is like, $40,000.
Liam: Yeah, they’re crazy.
Dr. John Jaquish: Crazy expensive.
Liam: But they do a great job.
Dr. John Jaquish: They do?
Liam: Yeah. But yeah, so this is a nice thing that has all these many benefits
in this tiny little footprint.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yep.
Liam: Yeah, that’s awesome.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. So I do fully answer your question. I think that is like
the extra we will deliver better in strange and size, statics. Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: So ultimately, then, here’s another thing-
Jesse: Do you have like a Nike goal. It’s like crush Adidas or something? Like
get an X3 Bar
in very home in America.
Dr. John Jaquish: I don’t think so. It’s probably closer to the ladder right
there. I don’t think there’s a company that makes exercise equipment, like their
equipment is stupid and arcane. Like they’ll do a job. And I don’t think any of
them… there are some gimmicky products out there. They’re only $35, we don’t
need to talk about those. But whether it’s the TRX rip trainer, I think that’s a
cool product.
Or TRX in general, that definitely has application, I see people making fun of
certain things. And this needs to go away, only fooled by this or something like
that. And yeah, there’s not a lot of successful lousy products out there. Maybe
some failed ones. But the goal isn’t really… I’m not aiming at anybody in
particular. I want to take over aesthetics and in the reason I say aesthetics,
as opposed to strength, strength is highly associated with how strong you look.
But people who want to measure their strength via some sort of competitive
existing metric, like how much you clean or whatever, I don’t want CrossFit
people be offended by this advancement. I want them to use it. Because your
Olympic movements will improve with the use of this product. In fact, the reason
they do kipping pull ups is the bypass the weak wrench.
The reason that when you do clean and jerk, you explode off the ground is to
bypass a weak range of motion. They don’t do it slow as molasses. They’re
explosive about it.
Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: So they’re employing a lot of principles that
X3 Bar
is employing.
Liam: Could be a good assistance tool.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. It’s just they could pre-hub themselves, protecting
themselves from injury and building a lot more strength using
X3 Bar
, and then continue to go to the list because ultimately, if
you want to be good at lifts, you got to do the list.
Liam: Absolutely, it’s a skill.
Dr. John Jaquish: It’s a firing pattern, or you can find somebody with a really
strong upper body give the guy a baseball and he can’t throw it at high speed.
Whereas, as a pitcher can throw in high speed that has less development.
Jesse: Super specialized.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. Super specialized. It’s a firing pattern. Liam:
[inaudible].
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. So all those things need-
Liam: But obviously I mean, I’m intrigued, because how do you see like
overcoming, obviously. I mean, there’s just that mindset that’s out there,
there’s Barbells. They’ve been there forever.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Liam: And you’re not necessarily trying to replace them. Maybe even like you
said, enhance, if you’re enhancing across elite athlete, I can totally see that.
But how are you going to get them to recognize it? How are you going to get them
to recognize that it’s worth investigating at all? That’s-
Dr. John Jaquish: I’m not super focused on the elite athletes yet. There’s a few
that have grabbed ahold of it. They’re hard to win over because they’ve already
succeeded with what exists out there. So telling them-
Jesse: They had a strength coaches with their team too.
Dr. John Jaquish: Sure.
Jesse: And you tell them.
Dr. John Jaquish: Oh, yeah. So like there’s a couple strength coaches I’m
talking to that are a little more open minded. But nothing’s in place yet. Once
some results are seen. That’s great, but getting it used with regular people,
getting regular people to start seeing the results, getting those people who
give testimonials where they say they’ve gained eight pounds of muscle.
Jesse: Sure.
Dr. John Jaquish: And the guy is 55, he actually had pre and post body comp
dexis to show that he put on eight pounds of muscle and I think he lost like 17
pounds of body fat, he was doing cardio.
Jesse: That’s awesome.
Dr. John Jaquish: Didn’t change his nutrition, already ketogenic. And you look
like we haven’t even posted his before and after pictures.
Jesse: Impressive.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. And he’s 55 years old. Like total transformation.
Liam: Ancient.
Dr. John Jaquish: Well, a lot of guys even told my trainers you’re not going to
get the kind of result that the guys in the thirties are, yeah.
Liam: I’ve actually worked with guys all the way into their 90s in my career,
and I’ve put muscle on every single person even get some photos.
Jesse: Wayne Wescott talked to us about some other research he did, where he was
training people in their 90s who are a lot more in wheelchairs. And mean, they
put them through like a for exercise protocol where they were doing a dip,
getting out of the wheelchair and a leg press. And they literally got them out
of their wheelchairs.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Jesse: A short program-
Dr. John Jaquish: Six to 10 weeks, they only had two 500 workouts a week. And by
the end of it, they’re all out of the wheelchairs, except one who happened to be
a double amputee, everybody else was out of their wheelchairs, with 10 minutes
of work a week, one set to failure.
Jesse: Going back to the pro athletes, I could see at least having this in the
facility in the gym. This actually would be a brutal finisher, for even if
you’ve like gone through.
Dr. John Jaquish: That’s another thing I told like these guys like, ‘Look, if
you just do your last set, and have this much more powerful stimulus, you’re
going to see better results.’
Jesse: Yeah, it’s not only.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Jesse: That’s really good. And on the marketing side and I see you in the ads,
and it’s like, you’re a big strong guy, like you’re marketing well. I think
that’s… I mean, that’s why we were so eager to talk to you is because you’re
an intelligent guy, you have a PhD, you know what you’re talking about, and
you’re walking the walk, and that’s what is so important. But you’re not just
sitting in some office anywhere.
And going back to what we were talking about earlier. Why the general
population, they go first and no offense to them, but they go first to the
bodybuilders because they’re the most readily available, because bodybuilders
and all these fit models, they’re putting themselves out on Instagram, social
media.
Dr. John Jaquish: They’re the most visible.
Jesse: And the scientists are not. They’re not as much so we need more
scientists-
Dr. John Jaquish: I didn’t realize so from a marketing perspective. I realized I
had to put myself out there. Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: For exactly that reason. It’s like how many things have been
developed by some scientists, but you never see the scientist and scientist is
never in shape.
Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: What we see Arthur Jones differently if Arthur Jones had-
Jesse: Some sloppy guy.
Dr. John Jaquish: Well, yeah. I mean-
Liam: He was in good shape. I mean-
Dr. John Jaquish: He actually was but didn’t put himself out there.
Liam: No he didn’t.
Dr. John Jaquish: He was a very in shape guy. But I don’t think he was more than
one or two times of photograph out sure.
Liam: Yeah, that’s true.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, he wanted to just be a scientist. It was it.
Liam: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: And that’s a shame because he would train all these drug
enhanced athletes, and people will go, ‘Well, do we really know what this thing
does?’ Like what Arthur should have been the guy.
Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: And so I do believe that I’m going to keep going. One of the
coolest things that I didn’t expect to happen with X3 Bar
, and I
made this joke on week three of the 12 week program, about curves, said it
before we started, I said, ‘The best way to have great curves is to be born with
great curves.’ I proved myself wrong.
Because at the end of the 12 week program, it looked like somebody had glued
steaks on the back of my legs. That was and my curves just stick out like an
inch.
Liam: I better do this thing. I think I’m admiring them.
Dr. John Jaquish: And this guy already has kept genetics and ultimately, why was
I never able to grow curves? Well, probably because I wasn’t accessing variable
resistance. I wasn’t able to get a decent stimulus into the curves. I’m working
on for 20 years, basically no change.
Liam: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Now they didn’t look like nothing. But upside down, wine
bottle nothing special now it looks like-
Jesse: Wine bottle, 15 pounds wine bottle.
Liam: Magnum
Dr. John Jaquish: Was Magnum and in the Guardsman office also, thank you for
coming to the Guardsman offices, a very special charity group.
Liam: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: We raise money for at risk children.
Liam: That’s awesome. Yeah, we’re really happy to have-
Dr. John Jaquish: One of our biggest events is the San Francisco Sports Auction
where a lot of athletes come and donate their time. And so the auction packages
are like batting cages with Barry Bonds or something like that.
Liam: It all local athletes certainly have-
Dr. John Jaquish: Some fly in some I think we had Chuck Liddell, he’s not local.
Liam: Yeah.
Jesse: When Steph Curry going to be here, because, well, we’re happy to come
back.
Dr. John Jaquish: Steph Curry was at the last one.
Jesse: Was he?
Dr. John Jaquish: I could be wrong. I mean, I was out of town. I believe he was
at the last one. Yeah, but I definitely could be wrong.
Liam: One of those corner Cova or something.
Dr. John Jaquish: Sure, okay.
Liam: Cheryl Cova, I don’t know.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Liam: You know there’s some Covas that I’d like to see.
Dr. John Jaquish: I know what you mean, the cheerleaders come. Yeah, the-
Jesse: Raider ads and Niner cheerleaders?
Dr. John Jaquish: No, we get the warriors. Jesse: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: Cheerleaders. Yeah or we have in the past.
Jesse: Should get and using the X3 Bar
.
Dr. John Jaquish: I should. I should. Yeah. Interesting. Here’s another AV test
we did with advertising. More women will buy the product if they see me using it
over other women using it. Explain that to me.
Jesse: Have to get back to you on that one.
Liam: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: I think it’s the scientist thing, maybe.
Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Okay, this guy knows what he’s talking about. And this other
person is just like a fitness model. I don’t care a fitness model.
Liam: Well and again maybe that’s the other side of what you were mentioning the
fact that they’re inundated with that Instagram fitness modeling stuff depending
on how they’re accessing the information maybe they’re just like he’s another
one and then you’re like not only do you look the part but we know you’re the
guy that did it.
Dr. John Jaquish: Also, when you look at the 12 week program, when you look at
week one I’m not really in a good shape, I thought I was but I’m in way better
shape now since doing that and put on another 15 pounds of muscle and lost a
whole lot body fat I have some body contests that I’ll publish at some point,
some down to 9% body fat 219 pounds.
Liam: Wow. How tall are you?
Dr. John Jaquish: Six foot.
Liam: Solid. Did you play sports when you were a youngster?
Dr. John Jaquish: I did wrestling swimming track in high school. I think
graduated from high school I was like 130 pounds.
Liam: And what were you doing in track? Sprinting or longer distance?
Dr. John Jaquish: I did the long jump, I did the high jump, I mixed it up.
Liam: And you were local you said so.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, enough about me. And then I did rugby in undergrad,
wasn’t particularly great at that, played outside center. So that’s one of the
faster guy positions for people who don’t know rugby. So as fast was not big,
did not carry a whole lot of muscle. Like I said, I looked fit but I basically
carried that same level of fitness for another 10 years after undergrad and
there was no change for me in a period of time. Yeah, I kept lifting and was
trying to follow the best scientific advice out there.
Liam: But it’s funny, because you mentioned earlier you read all that other junk
stuff, but you hadn’t shifted to like his single set stuff until later.
Dr. John Jaquish: Well, but it’s like I said, the single set makes scientific
sense. Because if you look at skin, you don’t go out every 15 minutes to
re-expose your skin to sunlight you’ll need, let’s say on the Fourth of July, on
really bright sunlight hot day, a few minutes of exposure to skin, you come
inside, and your skin will adapt and you get a suntan, a hard abrasion on your
hand is going to give you a callus.
Whereas again, you need one stimulus. And then what I learned about bone, one
loading cycle, just one will trigger the adaptation. You don’t need two just
one. And so I kept thinking about weight training, the only reason we do more
than one is because of stimulus.
Jesse: We’ve always done it.
Dr. John Jaquish: Well, the stimulus everyone always done. And that’s been part
of the talk track and what you need to do to grow muscle. But why is it that
way? Because the stimulus is lousy.
Liam: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: So yeah. Liam: We don’t always have access to the best tool
for this stimulus.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, well, now everybody can. Another funny thing about
X3 Bar
is, it’s probably the least expensive and most effective home
gym ever have for $199.
Liam: Right. I mean, you think of things like some other things that have not
necessarily consciously even back in the ’70s and ’80s. There was the solo flex,
which is rubber band resistance. And same idea. I mean, it’s not as heavy in
real life.
Dr. John Jaquish: Real life.
Liam: Real heavy at the top.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Liam: I mean, it was built like a tank. I don’t know if you’ve seen them,
they’re made out of steel or indestructible. The problem with that company, they
actually they built them so well. They literally never broke down. I mean, they
stopped producing them. And yeah, they only sell the support… the company
still exists, because you can only buy all the little support products because
the frames are like a tank. They never broke.
I have owned several of them and they’re like great tool. But again, more bulky
was more expensive. You can’t put them in a suitcase. It’s a big steel.
Dr. John Jaquish: It’s huge, yeah.
Liam: It has heavy, heavy, heavy rubber resistance, it’s doing the same idea. So
cool concept. And then there’s been Bowflex also increasing it. And then-
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, bending a little bar.
Liam: So yeah, there’s tools out there. But I mean, none of them… I mean,
Bowflex is you’re looking at a couple grand.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Liam: For your standard.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, most of them gems that are going to be even cerated.
They’re going to cost a couple thousand bucks, and they take up a room in your
house.
Liam: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: This thing is going to be more effective. And you can keep it
in a drawer.
Liam: Yeah, it’s awesome.
Dr. John Jaquish: Very, very easy to use. Of course, you also don’t get the
stabilization firing with any machine type solution. Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: And you’re missing out.
Liam: Yeah, that’s awesome.
Jesse: So if you could leave our audience with a single message, most important
thing for them to get the best out of their workouts or just… I don’t know
your life philosophy. Any just last ideas you want to-
Dr. John Jaquish: I’m going to circle back.
Liam: Well, I was going to say top three.
Dr. John Jaquish: Top three?
Jesse: Anything that comes to mind.
Dr. John Jaquish: You ask me a hard question. He’s like, ‘No, we need that
through.’ So the first thing I would mention is what I said before. Discipline
over motivation. Motivation is just doesn’t work. Like if you try and aspire to
something that’s so far away. You won’t get there.
But if it’s just I got to get through today. I got to do I got to do my workout,
I got to eat the proper nutrition, I got to get the right amount of sleep.
Another thing to cover in the 12 week program is sleep quality.
Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Punch line sleep quality is don’t drink alcohol because it
totally screws obviously.
Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Totally.
Jesse: There’s a documentary on Netflix about that called the Truth About
Alcohol.
Dr. John Jaquish: Oh, yeah.
Jesse: Real short and interesting.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, that’s a great documentary.
Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. So the sleep.
Jesse: Discipline, sleep.
Dr. John Jaquish: Discipline and sleep. And I mean, I suppose I’ll just plug my
product, X3bar.com
.
Liam: Yeah, there you go.
Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: That’s where you find it in. And anybody who’s skeptical or
they want to get one of their friends opinions on it, go to the science page.
Also, there’s a lot of frequently asked questions. And there’s a whole section
of frequently asked questions where like why one set? Or why do we wait? The
cadence that we do. Why every body part every 48 hours, there’s a lot of fitness
myths out there about like you need to wait a week to train a muscle.
I’m going to go heavy. Yeah, that’s fake news. I could be unseen in that
section. I will say, just I’m not somebody very interesting. Someone did a
biopsy study on that. And like I said, biopsy studies not a long line of people
who want to do that. They did want to show when does protein synthesis and with
a really hard workout, they couldn’t get it to last longer than 36 hours. After
36 hours, you’re recovered. So we wait 48. That’s it. Like, I don’t care what
you do. 36 hours. Jesse: Interesting.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. And so like after that study, he’s like, ‘You can hit
every muscle three times a week.’ Wouldn’t it be better to get three growth
break phases a week than to get one? Of course, you’re going to make more
advancements. So to me, like somebody wants to have the argument about how many
sets they want to do. And I’ll say, ‘Okay, well, what about three sets in a
week?’ You split it up, because then you have three growth ages, as opposed to
one, these guys who go and do like 10 sets per body part. They’re not doing that
every other day.
Liam: And also, like you said, none of those sets are necessarily even getting
the job done. I mean, the truth is, we know for a fact that you can do an hour,
you can do 10 minutes, both can work, if you’re getting a stimulus in it that’s
effective someplace in that event.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Liam: But if you’re spending three hours and you never getting good stimulus,
nothing’s happening.
Dr. John Jaquish: Of course. Liam: Or you can spend a few minutes and get a
great stimulus and be done.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. It’s all about effectiveness. Another thing I say in
response is in the comments, I wrote this and my staff cut and pasted in these
comments, because I don’t have time for that. But most of the conversations were
stupid. But with the commenters online, but when they ask like, ‘Well, it’s
ridiculous 10 minutes.’ And ultimately, the moments where you stimulate growth
are only seconds.
Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: It’s the fatigue.
Liam: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: It’s only the fatigue that counts.
Liam: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: I don’t care how the work out is of any type of workout. It’s
the last few fatigue points. That is the only thing that counts.
Liam: Yeah, no, just it’s funny that you say that because there’s one of our
other episodes where talked exactly about that. I said, you can follow people
around in the gym and whether they spend 10 minutes or three hours, if you write
down how much the actual work part, it ends up being some pretty small, like the
actual part where they’re getting quality work, if any.
Dr. John Jaquish: Sure.
Liam: They’re in the mirror drinking water, checking out the curves, flexing a
little bit, it’s like, he may go out work out three hours a day.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right.
Liam: But it’s like how much of the actual work.
Dr. John Jaquish: Just kind of like weird exercises, like dumbbell flyes and
things like that. Dumbbell flyes is one of those where when you’re out and
you’re outstretched arms kind of wingspan, you get the maximum amount of weight.
Liam: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Based on the lever arm.
Liam: Yeah, the lever arm are lever.
Dr. John Jaquish: Lever arm putting a maximum amount of stress and then when you
move in a stronger range of motion because of gravity.
Liam: Yeah, zero.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, so where the muscles efficient. You have zero load.
Liam: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Like useless.
Liam: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: I see these guys do a dumbbell flyes all over the place. Like
bodybuilders.
Liam: To feel the stretch.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, they say they like to feel a lot of things that are
meaningless.
Jesse: The terror at some point.
Dr. John Jaquish: And then using soreness as a measure of progress.
Jesse: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, that soreness is you stretch the muscle to the point
where you damaged it. And I would say that X3 Bar
that is maybe a
handful of times maybe a tiny bit sore. Normally, get sore from them, the
soreness what we think is growth is really joint damage.
Liam: Yeah, yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Joint damages are barely feel sore.
Liam: Interesting.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, you still need to wait for 36 hours, you’re not
debilitated. There’s a golfer who’s a really accomplished golfer, and you can
see him sometimes the San Francisco Golf Club. This guy, he can use
X3 Bar
and like later that day, go out and play around a golf where
you can’t say that about weights.
Jesse: Right.
Liam: Yeah, cool. We’ll be looking forward to playing with it. You were kind
enough to share one with us. Dr. John Jaquish: Yep.
Jesse: Thank you.
Liam: That was very kind.
Dr. John Jaquish: Fantastic, absolutely.
Liam: I’ll be looking forward to putting-
Dr. John Jaquish: Puts in clients on it and yeah, we’ll see what happens. Maybe
you guys will have an X3 Bar
gym kind of setup at some point.
Jesse: Yeah. And then before we forget, if people want to reach out, personally
to you, do you have some contact information you want to throw out there?
Liam: Are you open to that? Or are you overloaded?
Dr. John Jaquish: I like smart people but good questions.
Liam: Okay.
Jesse: It could just be the email whatever.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, like customer service like CS at Jacobbiomedical.com.
That’s a great way to talk to the customer service people. Connecting with me,
it’s probably been on Instagram, which is just at Dr. Jaquish. D-R,
J-A-Q-U-I-S-H.
Liam: Soon to be changed at DR. J.
Dr. John Jaquish: That’s got to be ticked. Off you guys.
Jesse: Yeah, I have one more. I want to leave you with a pitch for expo.
Dr. John Jaquish: Sure.
Jesse: So probably be your next product, it’s going to be an animatronic puppy
that all you do is you just juggle it.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. It tries to get away.
Liam: Yeah, that’s good and it gets stabilization fire.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, you like it. Everybody likes that analogy.
Jesse: It’s a good one because you get it. Like you have to be ready because
puppies just jump right out of you.
Liam: I like it.
Dr. John Jaquish: Awesome, thank you guys.
Liam: Animatronic puppy.
Jesse: Thank you so much for having us today.
Liam: We can call it nice work.
Dr. John Jaquish: Awesome.
Jesse: Thanks so much.
Liam: Cheers.
Jesse: It’s been pleasure.
Liam: Thanks so much.
Dr. John Jaquish: Thanks so much. Thank you. Fantastic. All right.