John Jaquish, PhD is an inventor, author and scientist. After successfully
reversing his mother’s Osteoporosis as part of his Doctoral Dissertation in
Biomedical Engineering research at Rushmore University, he conducted four years
of testing with human subjects focused on user comfort, biomechanics and optimal
musculoskeletal stimulation. Next, the device he designed was put into
production and has since been placed in over 240 clinics worldwide.
Join me as I ask John: #
Are there foods or other behaviours that negatively impact bone density?
Is dairy good or bad for bone calcium?
How long does someone need to spend at OsteoStrong before they feel the
How much time would people need to use the
His ingredients for a happy recipe for life!
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The genesis of his research into Osteoporosis, and his findings.
What causes cellulite.
What new research into exercise techniques is revealing.
The unique properties of Calcium in the body.
John is passionate about his work and the research behind it - it rings true
with great stuff like this from him:
“Everybody’s looking for a shortcut. I believe in shortcuts, but I don’t believe
in shortcuts with information. You’ve got to understand what you’re doing.”
Full Transcript #
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Pete Evans: John Jaquish is an inventor, author and scientist after successfully
reversing his mother’s osteoporosis, as part of his doctoral dissertation in
biomedical engineering research at Rushmore University, he conducted four years
of testing with human subjects focused on user comfort, biomechanics, and
optimal musculoskeletal stimulation. Next, the device he designed was put into
production and has since been placed in over 240 clinics worldwide. You can find
out more about John Jaquish at johnjaquish.com. That’s
J-O-H-N-J-A-Q-U-I-S-H.com. John is offering a special deal for our Recipes For
Life podcast listeners. You get 10% off when you go to
That’s the letter X, the number three, then B-A-R.com and then type in
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. Cheers, John.
Pete Evans: John, it is amazing to have you on the program and I’m really
excited to hear what you have to say about bone density, osteoporosis, and about
your amazing new device that you’ve created, which basically you can travel with
it. It’s suitable for pretty much every person on the planet. John, welcome to
the show, mate.
Dr. John Jaquish: Pete, thanks so much for having me.
Pete Evans: Let’s start off with your background. You’re an inventor, you’re
also a scientist, you’re an author and all around good bloke from everything
that I’ve heard about you.
Dr. John Jaquish: Hey, thanks. Yeah, I think I’m a good guy. I got into medical
research because my mother was diagnosed with osteoporosis. She was in her early
70s and felt like she was going to have to live a very miserable life worrying
about fractures, but she was worried about like a hip fracture. Most people
don’t know hip fractures have a similar mortality rate as breast cancer. If you
have a hip fracture and you’re 50 years old, you have a 50% chance of death
within one year.
Pete Evans: Wow. I didn’t know that.
Dr. John Jaquish: The takeaway there is 50% chance. Yeah. Isn’t that amazing?
50% chance of death after 50. Now, the fracture itself is not what ends
someone’s life. It’s the complications. Like they’re in the hospital and they
catch pneumonia or they can’t recover from the fracture or it’s a spiral
fracture or abnormal sort of shattering of the femur, which requires very
invasive surgery. Recovering from that surgery can be a very challenging and
also have a high mortality rate associated with it. My mother saw all these
statistics and she was heartbroken and told me that she was probably going to
die early. I started looking into it. I started researching what osteoporosis
really was. My definition is a lot friendlier than that of the international
Dr. John Jaquish: It’s a deconditioning of bone. Anything that’s deconditioned
can also become reconditioned, right? When I looked at this and I explained to
her, “There’s just a lack of force being put through the bone, I’m going to
figure out how to replace that.” I ended up reading all the research on the
subject having to do with physical activity and bone. I came across some
research out of Finland University of Jyvaskyla. If I were Finnish, I would
probably pronounce that slightly different, but I say it and they laugh and I
think I say it the same way they say it. The Finnish, this particular
university, all the researchers, they are very excited about high impact and the
type of activity that gymnast’s go through. They’re not recommending everybody
become a gymnast. I mentioned that to my mother. She didn’t find that funny at
all. But absorbing high impact force alters the bone matrix.
Dr. John Jaquish: Basically simplified way of looking at it, but if you pinch
the bone from end to end the long way, so long into the long end, the inside of
the bone becomes slightly distorted for a brief period of time, the fraction of
a second. When the bone balances back into position, it becomes stimulated to
pull in more minerals and predominantly calcium and recalcify the bone to make
the bone more powerful.
Pete Evans: That makes sense?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, it makes perfect sense. Of course there’s nutritional
components. We’re going to go a little deeper into that. What I realize when
looking at this, I thought, “Oh, okay. I need to make a machine that compresses
the bone at the proper levels that are similar to that of a gymnast hitting the
ground at these high impact levels.” What I did was like, I created impact
emulation device. These can be found at OsteoStrong locations and it’s great
that we’re doing this show right now because OsteoStrong is just coming to
Australia. In fact, I think it’s going to be launching in just like the next
couple of months. I don’t know where the first locations are going to be, but
master franchise is all being set up and there’s going to be OsteoStrong is all
Pete Evans: Wonderful.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. It’s a clinic that people can come to and they can use
this impact emulation device. What it does is it allows individuals to get in a
position where they would naturally absorb high impact force and then they very
slowly using comfort, so they have to be comfortable through this whole process.
There’s nothing like high impact or scary. Sometimes people look at me and I’m
really athletic looking guy, so they imagine it’s going to be scary and
dangerous and difficult and its none of those things. Very pleasant, controlled
and they can compress on its axis bone and trigger the adaptation. Mineral comes
into the bone and can recalcify the bone and build bone density. Then there’s
been clinical data that’s been published in multiple peer review journals that
has shown that this adaptation is not only stronger than any of the
pharmaceuticals out there, but there’s no side effects because it’s just
triggering what the bone is supposed to do.
Pete Evans: How do you feel about inventing a machine that has shown the
potential of increasing bone density? Obviously you must be very proud, but
there must be far more reaching.
Dr. John Jaquish: I was thrilled. The beginning was the funniest part and I
really wish I had more pictures and video of it. I have, I have a little bit,
but my mother was so upset when I strapped her into a machine and we’re loading
hundreds of pounds her hip joint and her spine. She didn’t know that she
wouldn’t be injured, but she’s my mother. I knew she wouldn’t be injured because
I did the biomechanics analysis, but it was not her field. She didn’t fully
grasp what was really going on. She reluctantly trusted me and within 18 months
she was back to a normal T-score. She had the bones of a 30-year-old in her 70s.
Pete Evans: Wow.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, that’s what I was most proud of. Then there’s been
multiple versions since then and now it’s available at OsteoStrong locations.
Tony Robbins is a partner in the business and is driving it everywhere.
Everybody’s very excited and we’re getting from menace results.
Pete Evans: How long does somebody have to spend at OsteoStrong and how
frequently to feel the benefits and for the results to happen?
Dr. John Jaquish: Great question. Sessions are one time per week, never more
than one time per week. You don’t get more results by coming more often. It’s
because bone has a longer metabolism than muscle does. You go one time per week
and in just a few years you can build the bone density to the appropriate level
back to where it was when it was 30. Now, we see people with accelerated bone
densities and this is confirmed in research that I didn’t do, having an elevated
level of bone density beyond the normalized curve for 30 years. Basically, you
can build 30 years of bone by doing this and getting back, to that high level of
Pete Evans: What does that mean for the regular human being?
Dr. John Jaquish: It means it needs that … So, normally the way we judge bone
density is T-score and that’s a factor. It’s a standard deviation of where you
are in your particular race because different races of people have little
different bone structure and what you would be when you’re 30 and where you are
now. Like my mother white female, what was she at when she’s 30 and then what
was she at when she was 70. She was -2.5 standard deviations away from normal
bone. That’s right at the diagnosis level of osteoporosis. She went back to a
T-score of zero. In her 70s, she had the bones of the 30-year-old. Now, she
still continued to maintain. She still uses OsteoStrong, but she’s not going to
have to worry about that. It took her 40 years to get to -2.5.
Dr. John Jaquish: We would assume that she would degrade at the normalized rate,
provided no industrial chemical exposure or other damage thing that would leach
calcium out of her bone. There’s things like smoking and alcohol that damaged
bone very quickly, but she’s not doing any of those things. She’ll keep that
bone probably for as long as she’s around that.
Pete Evans: That is amazing. How long does a session usually last for if someone
comes into OsteoStrong?
Dr. John Jaquish: 10 minutes, one time per week. It’s really not that much of a
Pete Evans: Are you kidding?
Dr. John Jaquish: Now because remember, we’re emulating impact, so each session
there’s four movements, four movements that emulate high impact forces. Those
movements, they’re just easy. You go through them and they take five seconds a
piece. But normally when you go through high impact, it’s a hundredth of a
second. By comparison, these are long and we make them longer, so they’re very
Pete Evans: It’s mind-blowing.
Dr. John Jaquish: It’s real easy. This research brought me to the newest
discovery, which is what heard about on the Dave Asprey podcast and what we were
talking about before starting to show, which was
is now available. This is something else. This is more
focused on muscle and the shaping of the body. For females, this is something
that can change the way their butt looks, make it look like it was when it
was 30. Calves, hamstrings, back of the leg were a lot of women notice
cellulite. Cellulite really kind of shows up, not necessarily because of an
excessive amount of body fat, but underdeveloped hamstrings. Women work out and
they develop the front of their leg, but they don’t develop the back of their
leg. As soon as that muscle grows a little bit, it just pushes the skin out and
there’s no more cellulite and the leg looks much more shapely.
Dr. John Jaquish: Because of what I learned through the bone density research, I
saw that we had the ability to, because individuals were shown and especially in
the research that was done in London, I didn’t actually perform the research,
but I wrote the protocol for the study and the researchers showed was that
people were capable of seven, eight, nine times their body weight loading
through the hip joint. Well, I compared that to the American College of Sports
Medicine data and the bone, sort of the loading of that particular joint and the
majority of people are between 1.3 and 1.53 multiples of body weight, which
really means that we are seven times stronger in our stronger range of motion
than we are in our weaker range of motion. Which gave me an amazing light bulb
over my head, which was why do we work out with static weights? Why do you pick
up a weight that’s the same weight at the top and at the bottom when we have
incredible variants and capability?
Dr. John Jaquish: In fact, when we run, when we sprint really use seven degrees
of fluxion of our knee joint. But we have almost 180 available. Why is it that
we use certain ranges for different things? Because we have different
capability. What happens if we change the way we live so that we can have more
force where we’re stronger and less force where our joints are at risk and when
we’re weaker? We can go to a deeper level of exhaustion. We can do less exercise
and stimulate far more growth. That’s what
Pete Evans: Say hat again. We could do less exercise, but have more gains.
Dr. John Jaquish: That’s right. That’s right. Less exercise because the fatigue
is deeper, it’s not harder, but you’re fatiguing multiple ranges of motion
simultaneously. Your stronger range of motion. You go to fatigue with a higher
weight. In the same exercise set, you’re going to fatigue in a weaker range of
motion with a lower weight, which matches your capability. The level of
exhaustion, like you’re tired or I don’t know, five seconds after you’re done,
but the growth is incredible. There’s research that supports that. The reason I
is because what the research showed was you can grow
muscle three times faster by doing it.
Pete Evans: You’ve got the OsteoStrong, which strengthens the bone. You’ve got
machine that is portable, that is quite inexpensive that
people can travel with that they can have in their home. How many minutes per
day and how many times per week do you recommend using the X3 Bar
What are the benefits? You just mentioned muscles, but does it also impact the
bones as well like your OsteoStrong machine does?
Dr. John Jaquish: The loading with
is not high enough to
affect bone. In fact, that’s a great question. The minimum dose response to
trigger bone growth is 4.2 multiples of body weight. That research was done
after I built my first prototypes and already had presented at the World
Congress on osteoporosis to all the scientists. I actually kind of wonder if
that research was done to either validate or disprove some of my early research.
I think when they came out with it and I think all the researchers realized,
“Wow, that John guy is really onto something because he’s working around nine
multiples of body weight and we’re seeing outrageous results.” But we never knew
what the minimum dose with a minimum amount of loading through the head strength
was to grow bone in the hip. They did a brilliant study, they attached
accelerometers to people who did regular blood tests to look for bone turnover
markers. When you do like an OsteoStrong session, we can draw your blood and
tell immediately if you’re growing bone or not.
Pete Evans: So, the proof is there in the blood?
Dr. John Jaquish: That’s right. Bone turnover markers. It’s called a P1NP test.
There are a few others, but that’s the really important one to show that more
bone is being built and then broken down because bone has a metabolic rate and
bone is always been broken down and always being built to some degree. You just
want the building to be more so than the breakdown. That’s the ratio that
they’re looking for in this test. These researchers, they’re out of Bristol
United Kingdom, did this research using accelerometers and blood tests and they
determined that people who did not exceed 4.2 multiples of body weight triggered
no bone growth at all.
Pete Evans: Going back to the
machine, this is for muscle
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. Now, I will say that the stronger a muscle becomes, the
more likely somebody is to absorb those level of forces through impact activity.
But that only applies to a certain group of people. Let’s say a 30-year-old
individual who may not be conditioned, they may be able to use
and then absorb high impact force and address bone density.
But they can do it very easily with OsteoStrong at almost any age. My mother in
her 70s. There are people in their 90s who get benefit out of OsteoStrong from a
bone perspective. The difference with X3 Bar
and OsteoStrong is
is really focused on muscle and body fat. OsteoStrong is
really focused on bone. From a high performance perspective, a highly developed
individual will want to build bone density even higher than normal.
Dr. John Jaquish: For example, I talked about zero T-score and -2.5, which is
the diagnosis level of osteoporosis. For me, I’m +2. Zero is normal. I’m two
standard deviations above normal. For a highly athletic person, you can actually
hold more muscle, you can contract more muscle, engage more muscles if you have
higher bone density and the tendons and ligaments that are associated with the
higher level of bone density because basically you have less neural inhibition,
which means your central nervous system doesn’t shut you down because it’s
afraid you’re going to break something when you put serious forces through the
musculoskeletal system. A lack of neural inhibition means you get to switch on
more muscle, which means you get to engage and develop a muscle.
Pete Evans: Got you.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. It’s great for the high performance athlete as well as
the post-menopausal female who wants to keep hiking and playing tennis and going
to the beach and being active and not worry about any injury resulting from
frailty in the next 20 years of their life.
Pete Evans: Let’s go back to the
and talk about frequency and
duration of a normal week of working out.
Dr. John Jaquish: You would want to do
anywhere from three to
six days a week, but it’s something that can fit in a gym bag. You can carry it
with you, you can keep it in your drawer at work and do it in 10 minutes. It
takes just a few minutes.
Pete Evans: Just a few minutes, three to six times a week. It’s a bar with
resistant type bands that you have shown various different exercises that people
can get off your website and train them.
Dr. John Jaquish: The whole 12-week program is available on the website, but the
bar is the equivalent of an Olympic bar. The hooks swivel so that your grip is
always optimized. The bands are made of layered latex, so they get very powerful
very quickly. Whereas molded rubber is not like that. A lot of people have used
rubber bands and they’re actually like molded petroleum rubber, that’s not the
same. These are incredibly powerful and it’s tree rubber made in Sri Lanka. It’s
the only place they can do it where they grow those rubber trees like that. The
parts, there’s the bar and then that comes with three bands. Then there’s a
plate, ground plate where you can hook the bands to the floor. You can do like
an overhead press or a dead lift. Those that don’t know what a dead lift is,
that doesn’t mean it’ll kill you.
Dr. John Jaquish: It means you’re just picking up a deck off the floor. Every
once in a while some older person says, “Why is it called that?” When people go
through those movements, especially the two I just mentioned, each workout has a
level of stability, stability firing. What’s great about stability firing is if
it’s done in rapid succession, especially when there’s some serious resistance
against the body, the stabilizers have to fire to a more intense degree and that
triggers growth hormone, which makes people leaner. This product makes people
lose weight very quickly, develop muscle very quickly. I don’t want women to be
afraid that they’re going to look manly if they develop their hamstrings or the
calves. They’ll look very feminine still and they’ll lose body fat very rapidly
by triggering this growth hormone upregulation, which is a study that a young
researcher, Henry [Helkaya 00:22:05], who’s a brilliant guy I’ve been working
Dr. John Jaquish: He and I published this last summer. We see that we’re doing
elements of this stabilization firing to upregulate growth hormones. They’re
kind of leaner and because of the variance in the force that the product is
applying, they’re going to be able to trigger more muscular adaptation much
quicker. They’re going to be getting leaner, stronger, very quickly. It’s an
absolute bio hack to get to a very highly conditioned body very quickly.
Pete Evans: Do you see this as, no, I won’t say the future because it is the
present now, but I guess the future of home gyms or home exercise?
Dr. John Jaquish: I do. I did a podcast with Ben Pakulski last week and he’s a
world top bodybuilder and has been for many years and I could tell he was
excited, but there was also like a little bit of hesitation. He says, “Well, we
can put this in our existing routines.” I thought, “Oh, come on man. After
everything we just talked about, why would you do anything else?” There’s still
is an effort. There’s the sport of doing Olympic lifting, right? If you use
in doing Olympic lifting and you’re not going to go win an
Olympic lifting competition because there are neural patterns that you need to
fire to be able to do a movement proficiently. Even a more outrageous example,
you’re not going to be good at throwing a ball if all you do is bench press. You
may have all the muscles that are required to throw a ball, but if you don’t
practice throwing a ball, you’re not going to be good at it.
Pete Evans: Sure. But for the everyday person like myself, that doesn’t really
enjoy going to a gym as such, and I prefer my activities to be, I love to go
surfing, I like to jump on the trampoline with my kids. Table tennis is a great
one for me. But lifting weights has never really appealed to me. Is this sort of
the answer for people like myself and others that are a little bit hesitant
about going to a gym and lifting weights? And the hesitation for me has always
been, am I doing it properly? When do I know that I could put up more and more
weights. I’m quite fearful of actually hurting myself these days by actually
lifting heavy weights.
Dr. John Jaquish: You are exactly who this is for, people like you. If you don’t
want to be really good at a certain type of Olympic type exercise and you just
want the results and most people out there, they want to be super healthy, they
want to look great, they want to be, when they take their clothes off and look
in the mirror. This is, you said, is this the future? It is because it’s not all
over the world yet. This thing only launched three months ago, so brand new. In
fact, I connected you with the Australian distributor. He’s brand new. I met him
six weeks ago. This is the future. This is for people who want the results and
don’t want headache. When was the last time you went to a gym and trained really
heavy even though you know training heavy is what’s best for results?
Pete Evans: Yeah, basically never for me.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. For me, I remember being 18, 19 years old thinking,
“Well, I’m going to lift heavy forever.” Well, that’s easy to say when you’re
18, 19, 20, when you think I’m never going to get injured because I’m awesome.
Your mortality sets in after your first injury, you realize mortality, I should
say. You think, “Ooh, I’m never going to do that again.” You start cutting back
on the level of force you’re putting through your body, which is why the body
starts to degrade. Between OsteoStrong and
, these are two
biohacks, two ways to trigger everything you get as a child or an adolescent in
incredibly powerful stimulus without the risks and so you can have it all.
Pete Evans: I like without the risk. That appeals to me.
Dr. John Jaquish: That’s it, you said it. You want to be able to do some type of
workout, but not worry about being injured. This is how to do it.
Pete Evans: I’m very keen on actually doing your 12-week program. I think, I
won’t say I think. I am actually going to do the 12-week program when I get my
. I’m going to document it over the 12 weeks to show how a
pretty skinny fellow can implement the X3 Bar
. Really I’m fascinated
to see what the results are going to be because I’ve watched your videos and
I’ve seen other podcasts that you’ve done. This is why I’ve got you on our
podcast is because I’m fascinated by it because it seems too good to be true
[inaudible 00:27:06]. I want it.
Dr. John Jaquish: Sure.
Pete Evans: I want it.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Well, you’re lean, so you’re going to see it very
clearly. The CEO of OsteoStrong, as soon as I develop the product and actually
had a production model, because I was walking around with some prototypes that I
bartered with my latch, just never let them out of my sight. The production
models. I got one to the CEO of OsteoStrong told me his wife sees his body
changing by the day.
Pete Evans: Wow.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. When you’ve worked on your nutrition and measured and
looked in the mirror and taking pictures of yourself and then tried to try to
create a training effect or nutrition effect, it takes a long time for most
people. This is something where the results show up very quickly.
Pete Evans: Awesome. I want to circle back. Back to the start of our chat. When
we talked about osteoporosis and you talked about things that can leach. Was
that the calcium out of the bones or the bone density itself? You mentioned
alcohol and cigarettes or tobacco, I think you mentioned. Can you expand on that
a little bit more and are there other types of food or substances that people
consume that also do this?
Dr. John Jaquish: There are a number. Things that damaged bone; tobacco is very
damaging to bone. Now, interesting, not nicotine, but tobacco. The reason I say
that is I think there’ve been some discoveries about nicotine and nicotine may
actually be seen as something that’s positive in the future as opposed to
something that’s poisonous and highly addictive. But tobacco products are very
damaging to bone. Mostly this particular thing is not my background, but from
what I understand, it’s the damage that happens on the lungs when something
burning goes into the lungs. Calcium is taken out of bone whenever there’s
damage and burning the inside of your lungs is definitely damaged. That is a
nutrient that gets sucked out of bone and it gets pulled out faster than you can
Dr. John Jaquish: Similar situation, it’s a little oversimplified, but similar
situation of alcohol damaging the liver, damaging other organs in the body,
chronic inflammation. It’s the type of thing where if you can limit or eliminate
those two things, you’re going to be much healthier for it.
Pete Evans: Talking about diet in particular, tell us about dairy because
there’s the notion that dairy strengthens the bones. I’ve also researched and
heard other things that says that possible dairy can also because inflammation
in the body. If it causes inflammation, wouldn’t that possibly leach out the
calcium from the bones?
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. When a study, a peer reviewed medical journal study is
done, there’s protocol that’s written, what’s going to be tested, with what
individuals and what are the descriptors of those individuals. Then there is a
report showing, let’s say there’s a control group versus a test group. Two
different groups of people. We’re going to do two different things and we’re
going to see what the results were. Let’s say the results we’re looking for are
fractures. How many people in group A fractured versus how many people in group
B fractured? Group A didn’t have any dairy and group B did. What the conclusion
of the study is is that the people who consume more dairy were less likely to
fracture. The problem is there’s a lot of other variables to control for. There
is potentially, some of them are psychological. We try and do in a blinded
study, that control group doesn’t know that they’re control group, so they may
get a placebo.
Dr. John Jaquish: A lot of different ways to design these studies and
individuals who consume more calcium can potentially have, as we’ve seen in some
research, less likelihood of fracture. However, there are some mechanisms that
are working against individuals. For example, calcium is the only mineral in the
body that is self-regulated. You have magnesium, if you consume magnesium. You
have potassium, if you consume calcium. But calcium, if you intake less of it,
your body will store more of it. If you intake more of it, your body will get
rid of more of it. For example, the individual who is losing bone density
because they’re doing less impact like activity and are not doing OsteoStrong,
they are losing bone density. What do they do? They start taking a calcium
supplement, but then don’t do anything to make their bone pull in that calcium.
Dr. John Jaquish: If you’re not going through the OsteoStrong type sessions
exceeding 4.2 multiple body weight on a weekly basis, then what? Well, then the
body is getting rid of more calcium. That individual may be losing bone density
Pete Evans: By having a calcium tablet.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right, by having a calcium tablet and drinking milk when they
weren’t drinking milk before. The body’s always trying to reach a homeostasis.
It’s always trying to reach something where all systems are optimized and if
load is not being put on bone, then the system is optimized by not maintaining
extra bone. So, it’s going to start getting rid of. By providing the building
block of bone, but no use for a high level of bone density, bone density starts
to degrade and potentially degrading faster based on the principles of human
physiology that I’m talking about. Without the loading, the calcium may not be
doing what it should be doing.
Dr. John Jaquish: Then on top of that, there’s other pieces of research that are
looking at different metrics like inflammation, cancer risks. I don’t have of
the read that I’ve done and there’s so much research on this subject, there are
specialists that dedicate their entire lives to the biochemistry of growth
factors in bovine dairy. That’s not my background, but my read of it and I am a
fan. This is like what I read for fun because I care a lot about it. I’m excited
by this issue. I believe that there’s enough inflammatory markers and
incompatible growth factors. Keep in mind milk is growth formula for a baby cow,
not an adult human. Do all those growth factors, do they manifest and cause
other things to grow? The evidence that I’ve seen, I have seen some evidence
that leads me to believe that there is a higher likelihood of growth of cells we
don’t want like cancer for example.
Dr. John Jaquish: Now, we cannot say that with any confidence that it is
negative that it’s causing cancer or it’s not causing cancer or it’s great for
bone or not great for bone. There’s so many factors that are at play. It’s
difficult to say anything with a significant level of confidence. However, what
I tell people is dark green vegetables have calcium, so consumed dark green
vegetables. That’s not going to limit anybody. Yeah. There’s no inflammatory
markers in broccoli. I mean, nothing’s going to cause it. When I say that, and I
said that at a medical conference, I just touched on the dairy a little bit and
it was apparent that I was not recommending that, I could see some physicians
they’ve been given a recommendation their whole lives. They’re not happy with
what I’m going to say. Then as soon as I go down the vegetable path, they go,
“Okay, well we’re buying this.”
Pete Evans: Yeah. I don’t think anyone’s against vegetable.
Dr. John Jaquish: Ultimately, we want to look at the things, at almost
everything out there, there’s positives and there’s negatives. Almost anything
we can consume. If you look at like pizza for example, there’s a lot of
negatives and almost no positives, but there may be some protein in there
somewhere. But if you look at something like broccoli, there’s a lot of
positives. Could there be negatives? Well, broccoli can host a mold because
there’s a lot of places where I’m just giving this as an example, where water
can hide, mold can grow and therefore there’s a mycotoxin risk there.
Ultimately, is the upside better than the downside? Absolutely. Yeah, I’m going
to tell people to do that. In the protein sources, there’s a whole sort of
spectrum of what’s got more positives versus negatives and you talk about that
all the time.
Pete Evans: Yeah, for sure. We’ve covered bone density, we’ve talked a little
bit about nutrition, OsteoStrong the X bar, which I am going to try. One thing
that we haven’t talked about, even though we’ve talked about, I guess health and
fitness, is you haven’t touched on cardiovascular health. Now, where does that
come into play because obviously there’s many different thoughts out there? A
lot of people do endurance sports and other people like to do high intensity,
shorter workouts. I guess let’s bring it back to the norm, if there is such a
thing as the norm. What would you recommend? If they’re doing the
a few times a week, up to six times a week for 10 minutes,
the max, where does say going for a sprint tour or going for a jog fit into this
Dr. John Jaquish: For me personally, sprinting is something that I do, not
regularly. I’m researching some other things having to do with the sprint type
effect and ultimately sprinting triggers a lot of the stability firing that I
was discussing and upregulates growth hormone. If you want to get lean, mostly
run, do so to lose body fat. If you want to lose body fat, sprinting or doing
is a much smarter approach than doing cardiovascular
exercise, as in sustained runs or swimming or something like that. Those things,
the 40 years of research here that I’m going to site right now and for some
reason the world completely has missed this, but cardiovascular exercise
upregulates cortisol. As I mentioned earlier, the body’s always trying to
optimize itself. It’s trying to optimize itself for the environment you put it
in. When you put it in an extreme environment, it’s going to change, but you
have to keep in mind what are the changes that would make it optimal for the
environment you put it in.
Dr. John Jaquish: If you’re showing the body that you have to go incredible
distances and manage your energy through those incredible distances, it’s going
to upregulate cortisol, which is going to, and here’s the important part,
protect body fat as in keep you from losing body fat. This is completely against
convention, right? The people that look at me like I just told them, like some
secret of the world that it’s just hard to swallow, but there’s 40 years of
research. It’s just never been pushed out to the general public. 40 years of
research that shows by doing cardiovascular exercise, you are literally fighting
your hormonal system to be leaner. Now, if you want to be an individual who can
go great distances and manage your energy like that, if you want to be a
marathoner, there’s only one way to do it and that’s be a marathoner. You got to
Dr. John Jaquish: If the goal is to be healthy and great looking, you can get an
almost identical cardiovascular heart health benefit from doing high intensity
intervals like using
for example, as you can from going great
distances. That’s well established also. I would tell somebody, “I’m not against
cardiovascular exercise by any means, but why are you doing it? Are you doing it
because you want to be a great distance runner or distance swimmer or you want
to be able to ride a bicycle for 200 kilometers? Awesome.” Then that’s a thing
and I’m excited for people who do that. They’re amazing feats of athleticism and
there’s ways to optimize for that and there’s ways to, of course manage body fat
through that whole experience and then all those things. Ultimately I think for
the individual who wants to be as healthy as possible, who wants to optimize
their time as much as possible because cardiovascular exercise absorbs a lot of
time, I would steer them towards sprint interval type activities or
Pete Evans: Got it. Perfect. Now, I always like to wrap up our podcast because
it’s called Recipes For Life basically with three ingredients that John,
yourself has in your life or uses in your life or is delicious in your life that
you believe makes up a really beautiful recipe for life. It can be anything, it
can be a philosophy, it can be how you breathe, it can be love, it can be
whatever it is that you think you would like to share with the listeners that
are your three most delicious ingredients for a happy and healthy life. Do you
mind sharing them with us?
Dr. John Jaquish: I wish you had given me time to prepare for this. The
listeners should know I had nothing in mind. I did not hear this question
beforehand. Okay. So, three ingredients for life.
Pete Evans: Three that you’d tell yourself 20 years ago, 30 years ago to look
out for and to embrace?
Dr. John Jaquish: Now, I’m a scientist, so like my reflex is to go towards like
certain scientific understandings, but the listener will just go, “What is this
guy talking about?” I’m going to change it up a little bit. Number one is a
little bit of what I’m talking about is understanding your body better. I wish I
was 16 years old and had the thirst for understanding of human physiology and
nutrition like I did when I was 25. I got a nine-year headstart on that, I would
be so much further ahead in my own exercise, nutrition, health. I just turned 41
and I’m in better shape than I was when I was 19. I’m more muscular, I’m leaner,
I’m faster. I can out outdo myself in absolutely every way when I played rugby
in university. I wish I knew what I know now and I think what’s really
important, like for example somebody hands a nutrition book to somebody.
Dr. John Jaquish: What do they do? They go and they Google what are the bullet
points? What’s the summary of this book? I tell people when I hand them, let’s
say your book, I say, “Hey.” I make eye contact with them. I say, “You’re going
to read this and I’m going to ask you about each chapter you’re going to tell
me.” They look at me like, “Why are you being so hard on me?” I tell them, “I
want you to actually understand what’s going on.” If you go and look up the
bullet points, you will understand the rationale behind each one of these bullet
points and therefore you’ll screw them up. You’ll make some kind of compromise
to say, “Oh, I’m at the airport and they only have whatever, fried chicken
here.” Then all of a sudden they’re back in sort of an inflammation cycle and
then they’re not following the principles because they never understood them.
Dr. John Jaquish: I think right now in a social media world we live in and
everyone’s looking for a shortcut. I believe in shortcuts. I don’t believe in
shortcuts with information. You got to understand what you’re doing. In being a
chef, there’s so many ingredients that you can read a recipe and say, “Oh yeah,
you throw this in there and it turns out great.” But if you don’t understand the
boiling point of that ingredient or the fat properties, how it breaks down, how
it behaves, what its properties are, what it really is, then you can’t really
apply it in another way other than just reading a recipe. There’s somebody who
can read a recipe and then there’s someone who understands. That is absolute
point number one.
Dr. John Jaquish: My ingredient number two is an actual ingredient. I really
like grass-fed butter. I know that may not be your go-to, don’t think it is. I
do the Bulletproof coffee every morning and there’s other ways to achieve that
without dairy. One thing I got to point out when talking about butter, a lot of
the inflammatory markers come from the consumption of the protein casein, which
is in dairy. Butter has none of that. Butter is just the isolated fat. I feel
differently about that as opposed to like actual milk or cream or anything like
that. I actually have a casein allergy, so I get incredible inflammation. I
believe everyone has inflammation as a result of consuming casein because that’s
what the research is determined.
Dr. John Jaquish: Ultimately, that’s something it puts me in a ketogenic state.
I mix that with the refined MCT oil. I use Bulletproof Brain Octane, but I
believe there’s others that aren’t quite as refined. Those things puts me in a
fast. .By the way, intermittent fasting is the third thing because a little bit
as it relates to the second one, but ultimately when you can clear the body out,
when your body is not 24/7 digesting something, there’s a lot of resources that
can be redirected. Here’s what happens with your first day of fasting that you
may not have some listeners that have never tried this. You’re going to skip
breakfast, it’s going to be fine. You’re going to get to lunch and you’re going
to be hungry because you’re used to getting food and you have very poor insulin
sensitivity and you’re going to shake that off.
Dr. John Jaquish: You’re going to be really well-hydrated and that’s it. Just
drink water after a few hours. Let’s say three o’clock, it’ll pass, the
afternoon and you can extend it all the way to sundown or even into the next
day. People who do this on a regular semi-regular basis, I never fully
understood how much body fat you can drop. What really shocked me the most
because when you read books about high intensity athletics, you would think that
there’s this sort of the dogma that you’re going to lose muscle very quickly. I
don’t lose any muscle when I do this. I just get leaner and that was just
shocking for me because it was completely against that dogma. Then of course the
insulin sensitivity thing, you stop wanting sugar, you just don’t want it
anymore. Something sweet just tastes awful.
Pete Evans: I love it. I love it, brother.
Dr. John Jaquish: Those are my three things.
Pete Evans: Oh, thank you so much for sharing. Sorry for putting you on the
spot. Now, if people want to-
Dr. John Jaquish: No, put me on the spot, it’s probably funny or interesting to
the listener because yeah, who knows what this guy is going to say. I could have
said 10 things. I had to really prioritize and think quickly on my feet.
Pete Evans: We’ll get you back for those other seven.
Dr. John Jaquish: Hey, one more thing I wanted to mention before we get off is
if people want
, they got to go to x3bar.com
Pete Evans: Fantastic. I’ll have a link up as well for that, for people that are
interested in having a look at the
and checking out your
website to see how it actually works. Also OsteoStrong I’d love to be able to
promote OsteoStrong when it does launch into Australia. Possibly if you’re keen
next year come on and share with us the other seven things that make up your
recipe for life.
Dr. John Jaquish: I can do that. I can do that. The website for OsteoStrong is
osteostrong.me, by the way. As soon as OsteoStrong is in Australia we should
probably, maybe I’ll come there and we’ll do a podcast from there.
Pete Evans: That would be awesome.
Dr. John Jaquish: We can talk to some of the users and some of the people who
the clinics and get some of the first hand experience with people who are
actually using that bone reconditioning technology.
Pete Evans: That’ll be terrific. I’ll be in line and I’ll bring my whole family
along because it sounds amazing.
Dr. John Jaquish: Awesome.
Pete Evans: John, I really appreciate your time and thank you for being a guest
on Recipes For Life. I’m sure the listeners will absorb so much of what you had
to say and it’ll resonate with them quite deeply. So thank you once again, John.
I look forward to sharing my transformation after using the
for 12 weeks. Thanks, brother.
Dr. John Jaquish: Awesome
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