By Optimal Performance Podcast with Sean McCormick on May 7, 2024

EP 485 - Hack growth hormone and muscle growth in 10 min with Dr. John Jaquish Part I

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Sean McCormick: The fact you were saying that you’re not really part of the fitness industry, which is confusing because you make fitness equipment and consumables and products that are for fitness, but

Dr. John Jaquish: Right. I don’t target sort of the standard fitness population. I mean, they’re sort of, how do I say it? And I mean, I used to say they’re just the dumbest people on earth, which is kind of true. But I think a lot of it is there’s a lot of confirmation bias. People want to believe in what they’ve been doing. Sort of if you run into seeing people, they’ll still, to this day, even though proven to do absolutely nothing is supposed to do. So you still get it and you still spread it. So there’s only two things you’re supposed to do, and it’s to keep these two things from happening. But I mean, people, they double down. It’s like, well, this is my position and I will bend the truth to myself. This isn’t an acquired ignorance. They had to work hard to be that stupid. I mean, the fitness industry, I think it’s one of those situations where when they see the title in my book, weightlifting is a waste of Time. They’re furious, but they don’t really know why. Because it’s like, look, do you want to take the most optimal approach to being as strong, as big and as lean as possible? Because if that’s your intention, then you really need to read the book. This is going to change your life. And you read the book Change Your Life.

Sean McCormick: It did.

Dr. John Jaquish: It did. Yeah. It’s one of those things where they show up to complain about what I’m doing, but they really don’t know the first thing about what I’m doing

Sean McCormick: Until they read the book and they see the sources, they see how your arguments are laid out so clearly they see the anecdotes and examples and it just becomes undeniable, just like the X3 system is. And before we hit the record button, I said, welcome back. I was, and again, I take great pride in this. I was one of the, probably the first five podcasters that had you on, and

Dr. John Jaquish: I think you were third,

Sean McCormick: Was I third

Dr. John Jaquish: Mean? Dave Asbury had me on before I even started a social media page. I didn’t even have a Facebook. I didn’t have, I mean, I had my own personal one, but didn’t have a business Facebook page, had never used Instagram ever in my life. Boy, those were nice days. So yeah, Dave was sort of the soft launch of X3, showed it to him on this podcast. He tried to call me out for being on TRT, and it’s like I was open about that anyway, but it was one of those situations where that happened. And then a couple people saw that and then invited me on their podcast. That’s probably how you even found out about me. You probably wouldn’t have, it hadn’t been for that podcast. And yeah, yours was very successful. A lot of people in the customer survey are like, yeah, I heard about it through Sean.

Sean McCormick: Good. That’s good. Well, it’s such a slam dunk for me because you know me well enough to know that you and I are certainly on the same page in a lot of different places, but it is undeniable. It is so goddamn effective. It is so convenient. If you use it as directed, you will see incredible results. And it has this, it’s too good to be true element to it because I think people are skeptical because they feel like they have to spend two and a half hours at a gym. And so, yeah, I’m just going to say the code now for a nice fat discount, use the code OPP. This is your fourth time on the podcast. You’ve set a new record for appearances on the podcast. And I could gush, and I’m going to gush because I am a fucking problem for people in the Jiujitsu gym so fucking strong for my weight. It is staggering to people when I’m going up against guys. So I walk around at 180 5. I’m 5 11, 180 5. I’m lean. I could be leaner, but I’m sparring with guys who have been doing this for 10 years who are 220, 230, sometimes two 60, and I’m stronger than them, and I’m stronger than them in the most important aspects of strength for Jiujitsu, which is this pushing and holding. I can push and hold. I can hold you in tight and hold you there. I have explosive power too, but maybe it’s called isometric, but it’s like I’m holding and people are not getting away. So again, I’m going to gush plenty. But for the uninitiated people who have no idea, if you would please just really quickly give us an overview of the X3 system and then also highlight the recent innovations that you guys are rolling out

Dr. John Jaquish: Recently. So the purpose of X3 is delivering a high ratio of variable resistance. So high ratio, meaning you have maybe a little less than you’d normally handle on a bench press here. You’d have maybe what you’d handle just a few inches off the chest. But then at close to full extension, you’re maybe five times the load that you’d normally handle. And it’s because we’re far stronger here than we are here, sevenfold actually. So when you deliver load in the proper ratio of variance, then the musculature is taxed. It is just as hard in every position, which leads to more fatigue because as you do those repetitions, as I’m going to full extension, let’s say I can only do 20 repetitions where I’m holding 550 at the top, well, all of a sudden I can’t get there. So now I’m doing reps with 300, and then all of a sudden I can’t get there anymore. Now I’m doing reps with 200, but the musculature is stretched. So that’s what you would call a lengthened partial. And that’s sort of a buzzword in the fitness community right now. And it’s like, great. We’ve been doing it since 2018. I think it’s really funny. It’s people are acting like this is the next coming of Christ, and it’s like it gives you an extra 10% muscular growth potentially. That’s what some have said. And it’s like, hmm, X3 gives you triple, but of course, there’s actually a really good study that shows more than double, but not triple muscular size. And I think that’s funny because the bodybuilding community, they think 10% is more than double. I wish I were kidding, because 10 is bigger than two. I mean, it is just like, I’ll post that and they’ll be like, well, 10 is a bigger number, so two is a hundred percent and 10 is one 10th of that. And they’re like, no, you’re wrong. This is bodybuilding. I mean, it’s just, what am I supposed to do with this person? And here’s another thing, somebody will be like, bands don’t do anything. Well, you can’t get stronger, bigger. Nobody ever got big from bands. And I’ll post a picture of the professional athletes you use. There’s like 50 guys, NFL players all using X3. And then the response will be, fuck you, and then the fuck you gets 2000 likes. And my picture with all the rational athletes gets a hundred likes. Oh my God. So it’s like people are showing up because they’re upset, I guess. But it’s like, why would you even waste your time? There’s a lot of products out there that I think are stupid. Do I spend any time on their ads or on their social media pages? No. Why would I waste my time? If it’s a shitty product, it’ll probably just disappear. And besides, why do I care? I’m not going to buy it. It doesn’t affect me. So I mean, these people are losers. They have nothing better to do. I’m guessing these are people who will probably never know the touch of a woman and live in their mother’s basement or something like that. But if they’re quoting Ronnie Coleman and it’s like, okay, he’s very accomplished. I won’t say athlete because that’s not quite what they are, but okay. And by the way, Ronnie trains with variable resistance now. Oh, does he? Yeah. Yeah. Because fucking injured. Yeah, I can convince anybody once they’re injured, distance is the ultimate answer because they’re like, oh my God, I don’t have pain and I’m healing at a very rapid rate. Unfortunately, I have to wait until they’re injured because they’re very dogmatic about lifting weights. And in a way, I kind of get it because it’s like, okay, well, bodybuilders have done it a certain way. And even though a lot of the things that they do make very little sense the way they diet, for example, like, oh my God, horrible binging and then starvation and it’s like a slow starvation. This is one of my points with fasting. It’s like, why don’t you just get all that contest dieting done in a week? Just eat nothing for a week. Then you can sort of replete, build your muscle glycogen up and you’re ready to go. I’ve done it a couple of times for photo shoots, just five days, no food, no water. The water gets drawn out so you don’t get dehydrated, drawn out from fat cells. Metabolic water is what that’s called. And there’s studies on this where people go five days, no food, no water, amazing fat loss, no negative health implications, no muscle loss. And it’s like, here’s the evidence. Bodybuilders should be doing this. I put that on a social media post, and there’s just bodybuilders left and right going. That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Like, oh, 12 to 24 weeks of starvation is better and you lose a ton of muscle. Are you sure? That sounds awful. And it’s like if you ever run into a bodybuilder when they’re pre-contest, they’re kind of not emotionally or mentally available, fucking angry all the time. You’re starving mean. Yeah. And it’s like a slow starvation. First they cut 500 calories from their diet, but then that stops having an effect. So the whole law of thermodynamics is bullshit. I mean, also what they quote is the law of thermodynamics is not a law of thermodynamics at all. It’s the law of conservation theory, which has been disproven. So they did a great job of disproving it in the movie Oppenheimer. So they’re just doing nonsensical shit. But because they’re all doing it, it’s sort of like a political echo chamber. I, I’m guessing if you go to Columbia and you’re walking around Columbia University and you’re walking around, everybody’s like, oh, Hamas is the good guys. And you hear that a thousand times and you’re like, don’t know what they are. But I guess, right, you’ve been indoctrinated. You sort of put yourself in an environment where you’re getting terrible information. And that’s what happens.

Sean McCormick: And when those echoes happen in the fitness world or in health and wellness, they last for a really long time. And you just say these tropes, you repeat this dietary stuff, you repeat these exercises. You talk about bicep attachment variability from person to person. You talk about genetic factors, and I know that these are things that you have spoke on at length. But I do want to go back and we’re going to go off on so many tangents, and I’m so excited for this. But I do want to go back to the innovations because over the years that I’ve been using the X3 bar, I’ll be honest, I haven’t upgraded the system. I have the OG system, but

Dr. John Jaquish: You’ve got the black rubber coated one. I’ve

Sean McCormick: Got the black rubber base. I did upgrade the bar when you upgraded the bar. So I don’t have the smart gym set up, and it’s just because I like to keep things really simple for myself and it fucking still works.

Dr. John Jaquish: So I actually tell people not to buy the smart gym all the time, and here’s why. So for those of you that don’t know, there’s two versions of X3. There’s a $950 version, which connects to your phone and gives you all the output data, and it samples multiple times per second. So slower and controlled repetitions will show that you’re creating more force because you’re putting more force through the muscle. Because ultimately it’s like how much force can you put through the muscle? This is a very sort of time under tension approach. It’s a progressive overload for sure. In fact, people talk about progressive overload, but it’s a stupid conversation because progressive overload means you’re getting stronger. So when it’s like, tell me about your weightlifting program, they’re like, oh, I do progressive overload. Okay, so your strategy for getting stronger is getting stronger. You’re a fucking idiot. You know what I mean? What? That’s stupid, but I understand it. And they say that because everybody else says it. And so they act like that’s a smart answer even though it’s a fucking moronic answer. But if you are focused on progressive overload and tracking and asking yourself the question, am I truly getting stronger? Am I truly getting stronger? Every workout with the force bar application, you will know if you are getting stronger every single time because one day you can do 10 reps with a certain weight, and another day you can do 10 reps with a certain weight. But are they the same output? No, because if you went slower, you did more work. You have no way of knowing. So counting is just very inaccurate. This’ll do it. But this is mostly for people who have a strength approach. If you want to be as fucking strong as possible, then I think the force bar is right for you. But most people sort of want to blend between sort strength and size. Size isn’t like that. Size is more about volume. And so I kind of stayed away. I really wanted X3 to be seen as a strength product when it first came out. But now five years have gone by and it’s like, okay, now we’re going to have two programs, and I’m almost done with the volume program, which is way more about muscle size. But with muscle size, if muscle size is somebody’s priority, they don’t really need the force bar, then they can just get the regular one, which is only $550. So it’s like half the price. And then it’s really about multiple sets. And you still don’t need to do a ton of volume because you go to fatigue in diminishing range. Or first I go to fatigue here, then I go to fatigue here, then I go to fatigue here, then I go to, so it’s like in every set, you’re going to momentary muscular fatigue, maybe somewhere between five and 10 times. So you still don’t need the same amount of volume, but if you’re doing 10 sets a week per body part, you are smoking it. You are going to grow, especially if you have the right amount of nutrition, that’s a requirement. So I tell people not to worry too much about the force bar. If muscle size is their priority,

Sean McCormick: Is that a little bit different than, and again, I keep things simple and I stuck with the original program and seen insane benefits for years. So when you’re saying multiple sets, there’s a couple of things that I do want to ask about. One is multiple sets and two is rest in between sets, because I know that that’s kind of shifted or at least very new

Dr. John Jaquish: Research on it for sure over

Sean McCormick: The years. So we share those two things because the way that I do it is the way that I originally learned, which is full range without locking, and then halfway and then little teeny tiny ones to failure for each of those. And then I’m done diminishing

Dr. John Jaquish: Range or lengthened partials as they’re discussed in science.

Sean McCormick: And then my workout’s done, and now I’ve been tinkering around with rest in between sets. And I think I heard you say 10 minutes once. So that’s something I’ve experimented with, but I know that that’s a little bit different. So if you could maybe talk about those two things, I think that would help me. And I think the other people who have had the X3 for a couple of years,

Dr. John Jaquish: So there was just a meta analysis that was put out that really shows that a minute and a half is the optimal amount of rest time for newer lifters. So a year, maybe let’s say a year of training. Now, part of the problem is, and Dr. Milo Wolf explains this really well, and no one’s ever really explained this on video, but he did. He’s like, people complain that most studies only have people who have been in fitness for a year. And he’s like, yeah, the researchers have a real problem finding multiple year subjects because most people quit. They just can’t find people who have been, and of course, you want to eliminate other variables. Somebody might be taking steroids. Well, you don’t want them in your study, and somebody might be doing a really dangerous type of sport. That’s why they’re lifting. Well, okay, well, they might get injured and then they’re going to be disqualified as a test subject. So you can’t have those people. So it’s like ultimately it’s really tough to find people who have been in fitness for longer than a year. And I love it because it proves my point that weightlifting is a waste of time. Why do people quit? Is it because they’re getting awesome results? No, it’s they’re getting jacked shit. And that’s the fitness industry. How many people, I go on news shows now, this is my thing. I’m like, you think about 50 people who are all about working out. They talk about working out all the time. And the reporter will be like, yeah, let’s say 50. I’m like, I’m guessing not a single one of ’em really looks like they work out, they walk in and they’re not in a bathing suit or anything, and nobody would be like, wow, you’re in great shape. They pretty much look average. And they’re like, yeah, unfortunately. Yeah. So a lot of people are going, I think it’s something like maybe 30% of men in America. Is that right? I don’t remember the exact statistic. Yeah, it’s like 33%. It’s like a third of America is males, is strength training at least two times a week. That’s a lot of people. It’s over a hundred million people. Where are all the fit people? I think an airport is a wonderful just slice of the population because all kinds of people go to the airport. I mean, there’s poor people, there’s wealthy people, there’s people, all races, whatever. So I just took a tally, how many airports do I need to go to? Because I think roughly you go to an airport, you see about a thousand people. Some airports are bigger. If you’re in London, Heathrow, you’re probably going to see like 2000 people. But if you’re in Newark, you might see 1500. If you’re in the Sacramento California airport or the San Diego airport, you might see like 600. So let’s just say you see on average a thousand people, how many airports do you need to go to before you see a person that’s like, wow, that guy or that girl spends a lot of time working out? And the answer is 10, I got to go to 10 airports. So I mean, I just kept track. Every time I go to an airport, every trip, it’s like two or three airports because you start somewhere and then you might have a layover somewhere and you end up somewhere. So I keep track of how many airports, and then I kept track of how many obviously fit people. I basically have to see 10,000 people before I bump into one that’s in amazing condition. Here’s the irony. I walk up to ’em and introduce myself and they’re like, oh yeah, you’re Dr. Jaquish. Not all of use X3. Some of them have, but some of ’em are like, oh, I use steroids. Or I’m like, I’m not even discriminating based on that. That’s fine because even 6.6% of males in the United States use anabolic steroids or have used anabolic steroids, yet somehow they’re not fit. What’s up with that? Maybe those drugs aren’t such a shortcut after all. Maybe you still have to work to get that effect. And I’ve heard so many steroid users say, if you’re not growing while you’re natural, you won’t grow. If you do a cycle of these drugs, you’re just doing something wrong. Your training isn’t working, your biomechanics are not giving you enough access to musculature because you just have disadvantaged tendon insertion points. That’s the biggest thing most people don’t know about it. That’s the last chapter of the book. Weightlifting is a waste of time talking about that. The real genetic differences, it has nothing to do with hormones. It has everything to do with how much muscle can you engage in the weaker range of motion unless the weaker range of motion being the stretch range of motion. Most people have very little engagement here and it just has to do with the way their tendons attached bone. But if you train with variable resistance, you have all the benefits of somebody who has perfect tendon insertion points, which is why we see people who have worked out for 20 years didn’t really get anything out of it. I’m one of them. And as soon as they switch over to variable resistance with X3, oh look, gain 20 pounds of muscle, and that’s what happened to you. It was like night and day difference.

Sean McCormick: So if 90 seconds is the sort of ideal rest for a novice, a brand new person who’s training what is now sort of the agreed upon rest between sets. So for instance, push day,

Dr. John Jaquish: So the bigger the muscle, like quads versus biceps, you can recover from bicep curls a lot quicker and you can recover from squats. Just the blood has to pump to the quadriceps when you do a set of squats, and that’s a lot more blood that needs to go to your biceps. So it’s variable. I’d say the best guideline without pulling out a stopwatch because I think that’s kind of silly. It’s like, okay, well maybe, but just be able to breathe normally. And for me, that’s like two minutes. I can wait two minutes between sets and then I breathe in. Normally I can go do it again.

Sean McCormick: That’s great. That’s great. Yeah. That I think is more accessible for people once you’ve caught your breath and you can go back to maybe you’re a stud and you’re breathing through your nose the whole time, you should be while you’re doing the exercises. So tell me about, again, because I’m still the OG system, tell me about the squat belt. What made you want to add that?

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, so a standard squat, we have something to pick up. Let’s stack that weight on the back of our vertebrae. See where I’m going with this? Yeah, that makes no sense. And I mean, I know it’s like a standard of fitness and whatever, but it’s just one of those things. It’s a great example of people have been doing that a long time and they think that’s a good idea. But then when I just phrased it like that, it’s like, yeah, let’s take the heaviest thing we’re ever going to pick up and stack it between two of the bones in our vertebrae that are probably the most delicate in our entire body. Now, yeah, your traps are there, but what happens if they relax? And it is not like that in itself causes injury, but it causes neural inhibition. It is fucking uncomfortable. And if it’s uncomfortable, your body’s shutting muscle off because your body’s going like, yeah, we don’t like this. So I mean, I just think standard squats are just dumb as hell. Now, a front squat when you’re holding the bar up here, so it’s distributed, the bar is touching here, touching here, touching your clavicle, it’s a little more distributed. Also, we exist in a sagittal world. We tip forward. We don’t tip backwards, so we are always moving forward. It’s a much more normal plane to move in. So the front squats superior, and that is shown in research that you can have less stress on the musculoskeletal system, less stress on the knees because the center of gravity moves forward and you can get the same muscular stimulus. However, you’re still putting a huge amount of weight on some pretty small bones up here. So one of the most powerful bones in the body is the pelvis. So if you can connect the weight to the pelvis, now you’re only limited by water reset power. And so that was why it was like, okay, we got to do this squat belt thing. Now, I would also say going heavy with the squat belt is a strength approach, whereas if you’re worried about size, you might want to do one set of that and then switch to the front squats where you’re going real deep to get that stretched range of motion. Like I said, that’s the new fad thing, but it’s not wrong. So you get an extra, like I said, extra 10% growth. And because 10 is bigger than double according to the bodybuilding community, yeah, you want to make sure you do that.

Sean McCormick: That’s excellent. Excellent. So you’ve already touched on how important diet is dietary minimums daily. Daily, and there’s been some shifts in the carnivore movement. I don’t know if you saw that recent interview with Paul Saladino where he’s talking about long-term keto is probably not the right approach. He’s been eating apples and honey.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, Paul Saladino has been deleted from the people I follow for a long time. Yeah, he’s wrong. In fact, what is promoting is going to cause a stroke because he has high triglycerides and high LDLs. This is why LDLs got villainized in the first place because people were eating all kinds of candy and sugar, and then they’d also have bacon and butter. And so when you have high both, then you have inflammation in the arteries, which cause. So the inflammation in the artery, now the LDL comes and sticks, and then another one sticks, another one sticks, and then you have a blockage. So yeah,

Sean McCormick: So honey,

Dr. John Jaquish: Absolutely awful

Sean McCormick: Advice, honey, apples, mangoes, and then ribeyes maybe not

Dr. John Jaquish: Best. So ribeye, yes, all that fruit and honey and candy shit should go in the trash. Now, I mean, if somebody wants to eat a candy bar, I would much rather than eat an apple than a candy bar. But how do I say this? In the most palatable way,

Sean McCormick: Let rip.

Dr. John Jaquish: I was recently on a panel at the Hard to Kill Summit with Dr. Shaara. If you’ve never had him on your show, you should. So he uses visceral fat as a marker of health, and it’s great because nobody can hide. You can have a low percentage body fat and silly to bunch of crap because you’re starving yourself all the time. Be like, say I’m super healthy and yeah, you look healthy, but metabolically are you healthy? I don’t know. So you can’t hide your shitty diet from building up visceral fat. And I had to ask the guy, we’re on this panel, and I know this is the one sentence he didn’t want to say, though, his research all builds towards this. I’m like, okay, for optimal health, what amount of carbohydrates should you have every day? And I mean, he has the microphone, he’s like,

Sean McCormick: Ah,

Dr. John Jaquish: He just doesn’t want to answer this question. I’m like, I know you don’t want answer the question. Nobody should want to answer this question because it’s not the answer that anybody wants. If he had been able to say, yeah, you should eat two cupcakes and a Snickers bar every day to be as healthy as possible, I mean, that’s what certain clowns of nutrition say, but that wasn’t his answer because he’s a scientist. So take a guess. How many grams of carbohydrates should you have a day for absolute optimal health and performance? Zero. Fucking zero. Yeah. And of course, professor Bart Kay says the same thing. Really, the people that I listen to, and they’re very much for different reasons, and everybody should write down the names that I’m going to say right now. If you want to see the science in practice in a medical practice, want to see very low carbohydrate, high protein, high fat diets succeeding in people. So this is not clinical research evidence, but it’s clinical practice evidence. Dr. Sean Amara, follow that guy. Number two, if you want the best nutrition advice from who I believe is the smartest human being that has ever worked in nutrition research, professor Barque, he’s also very funny when he makes fun of Paul and a lot of others who are maybe trying to be helpful, but get something wrong every time somebody says, oh, I do better with carbs. It’s like, no, your fat gut does better with carbs and for some reason you just don’t have self-control, but nobody is going to be better because they had some carbohydrates, including from a performance standpoint. By the way, now I’m also not perfect. Do I have carbohydrates from time to time because I’m just in a social setting and somebody’s like, oh, you need to try this broccoli. Great, I’ll have a bite just because I don’t want to be a dick, but no one’s better for this. And the whole muscle glycogen argument, you need energy. Your body’s going to have energy, it’s going to make energy from ketones, and there is absolutely no evidence that you can’t stay in ketosis absolutely for eternity. It’s an entire, here’s another thing. There are nutrition clowns that will say like, oh, ketogenic diets just a fad. It’s a system of the body. That’s like saying your liver is a fad. You have two energy systems in the body, the glucose system, which is turning sugar in your energy, but it’s very inefficient and also gets you fat and causes arterial inflammation, and that’s what causes his heart attacks and diabetes and has the strongest links that we know of to cancer. So those are the greatest, other than car accidents, those are the greatest killers on earth. Heart attacks, cancer and diabetes. And so it’s like, okay, but that’s the glucose energy system. We also have another system built into the body, not a fad, a system that we have inside of us that most people never turn on, and that’s the ketogenic energy system, and that’s getting energy from fat. Now, that doesn’t need to be the fat you eat, it can be the fat that exists on your fat fucking face because you had Krispy Kreme donuts when you were a little kid. Wouldn’t it be better to use that? It is just like, fuck. To me, that’s obvious, but it’s also not the answer that a lot of people want to hear.

Sean McCormick: So who else besides Sean O’Meara and Professor Bar? Kay, who else do

Dr. John Jaquish: I think just sort of, if you don’t want to be inundated with a lot of scientific research and data, the two guys who are probably going to have the most mainstream appeal or Anthony Chaffee, Dr. Anthony Chaffee and Dr. Sean Baker. They’re just sort of keeping it real. They’ll explain how perfect example Baker says is frequently. Well, the people who are against carnivore nutrition are also the people who’ve never tried it. You can say there’s not enough evidence, but is there’s plenty of evidence that shows that meat eaters live longer. Now, is there specific research on people who eat meat only and don’t touch anything else? No, but we have people who are eating a standard American diet, which is 70% carbohydrates or plant-based as they like to call it. That’s a good thing. It’s not. And then other people who might only be like 10%, and there’s amazing health differences between these two groups of people. The people that eat meat are way healthier and leaner and stronger and have better brain function at some point. Glycation, there’s actually a word in medicine called glycation. It’s a derivative of the word glucose because it has to do with your brain and other cells in the body losing function based on an oversaturation of insulin and glucose. Well, is there a similar process with protein and fat? No, there’s not at all. In fact, the brain functions better in a higher fat individual.

Sean McCormick: Have you come across or connected with this woman, Maggie, something or other? She’s a Canadian rancher, and she’s basically been carnivore since she was like 12 years old. Have you come across her?

Dr. John Jaquish: She’s

Sean McCormick: Like 70. I think she’s 73 or 74. She fucking looks 35, glowing thick hair

Dr. John Jaquish: Long. She doesn’t have the frizzy bird’s nest fucking hair all over the place. Most female Subaru drivers have, I don’t know why they Subarus, but it’s like you see a Subaru drive by and you’re like,

Sean McCormick: Yeah, they like to pretend they go outside. I mean, I’m in Seattle, so it’s like every third car is a Subaru with

Dr. John Jaquish: The frizzy hair lady in it,

Sean McCormick: Izzy hair lady.

Dr. John Jaquish: It’s like, yeah, look at what meat eaters look like in their older age, and then look at what vegans are just dying of malnutrition. And they’re so unwilling to admit. And I mean, it’s one of these things, one of the most powerful marketing forces, and there was a book written about this. I do not remember the name of it, but I read it maybe 20 years ago. It was about subcultures and how people are attracted to subcultures because they don’t need to think anymore, because when you’re part of a subculture, I’ll just use Harley guys as a subculture. They use that in the book. When you get a Harley Davidson motorcycle, not everybody who buys one sort of falls into this category, but it’s like your casual clothes are all taken care of. You don’t even have to think about it. Every shirt you have has to say Harley Davidson on it. Every single goddamn one. Every hat you have has to be a Harley hat. And it’s sort of like they’re attracted because it makes their life easier. They can stop thinking about certain things. It’s just that’s it. That’s where do you buy your clothes? Harley That’s the end of the story. You’re like, okay, so nothing else, huh? You don’t want a polo shirt that’s made by Ralph Lauren? That’d be weird. And they’re like, yeah, that’d be weird. Oh, okay. So I think sometimes when somebody veganism is this very much like, you’re with us until you’re not, and then you’re the enemy. So everybody’s like, oh, I don’t want. Now, of course we know that about 30% of vegans eat meat when they’re drunk.

Sean McCormick: Really?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, there’s a great study on that. And those are the people who admitted it because it’s a strong subculture. So I would imagine that that number is probably double that, but somebody would never say that because it’s like they don’t want to betray the church of anorexia vi. Yeah. Yeah.

Sean McCormick: That’s awesome.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.

Sean McCormick: What have you changed your mind about in the last four years?

Dr. John Jaquish: Did you say four years?

Sean McCormick: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: Okay. Volume, exercise volume. I used to think you do the minimum and then you let the body respond, but it turns out that the minimum for strength is a pretty small amount of exercise. The minimum for muscular size is a rather large amount of exercise. So I used to be like, in fact, I’ve said this on podcasts for people who muscular size is a greater priority than muscular strength. You don’t need a new workout program, you need a psychiatrist. I totally don’t feel that way anymore. I felt that way, but it was, that was a dumb way of thinking. I apologize to my early fans would be like, well, what about muscular size? I’m like, just work on your strength. Everyone who’s strong is also big, which is true. I mean, you still do get a lot of muscular size from that, but if size is your priority, there’s a slightly different approach. And that’s why I’m developing a new program. I’m working with Matt winning. He’s one of the strongest people that’s ever lived. He holds the world record in the squat, 1200 pounds at a 300 pound body weight. He is a big dude. Whoa. Yeah. Super powerful. And he does all sorts of training with the US military, with fire departments, like fire departments by his programs. And he even does a lot of, he’ll show up and show ’em how to set up their gym, and it’s mostly variable resistance based, but in the gym. And then some of ’em are using X3 also. So I really did a hard change on that. Also, on the subject of nutrition. Now, I just said a whole bunch of stuff about how we really shouldn’t have carbohydrates. I also know that’s not practical. Most people are not going to go zero. Now, my wife went zero for 12 weeks when she prepared for Miss California contest, and she looked like she was made in a lab.

Sean McCormick: She looked chiseled out of stone,

Dr. John Jaquish: Like, oh my God. And she’s tall, and that’s really uncommon. A lot of really defined women, or five two, and she’s almost five eight, so very different look. But she said it was just so painful. It wasn’t an energy thing as much as it was like you miss having just a sip of wine or something like that. Not that alcohol is good for you, but I mean, hey, not everything we do has to be for health reasons. There is some sort of enjoyment out there that somebody would say it’s unrealistic to just not eat carbohydrates. So in response to that observation, and you look at the forum, the X3 forum, there are a couple people who really come awful close to zero carbohydrates. Like Mikel, I’m sure you’ve seen. He looks like a skin cadaver year round. Amazing. I mean, the most defined. And he’s so strong. The guy with the force bar with multiple bands. I’ve seen him pass a thousand pounds per rep at the peak. Yeah, like, huh, that’s crazy. But he’s dedicated to a different level. I had dinner with him and his wife the last time I was in Florida, and she’s like, yeah, I still eat some carbohydrate. She was like, my culture, the way we cook, there’s carbohydrates there. I’m not going to give up on that. And of course, I’m like, well, what about him? And she’s like, he just eats whatever he wants. He sits down with the family and eats something different than what they’re eating. So I mean, that’s cool and all, but I realize most people are not going to be like him. And so I came up with cranium. Have you seen it? I have seen it. Okay. Yeah. So Citron, the promise of cranium is it slows down the digestion of carbohydrates. So it’s made out of citrus peel extracts, which do this. And for example, you could eat, not that I’d ever have somebody eat a Snickers bar, but you could eat one and it would digest at the speed of a carrot. So slows it down, keeps it from potentially being stored as body fat to a degree, to a high degree. It is hard to put on body fat, eating carrots, easy to put on body fat, eating Snickers bars. So that’s one of those things, because I realize some people are just not going to deal with the whole, I’m just going to avoid carbohydrates. Okay, maybe I’ll lower my carbohydrates. And then if they do cranium also, then they’re going to be fantastic. In fact, the top natural bodybuilder, I think he’s ranked number one right now, though. He tried to argue with me. He said he was ranked number two, but he’s just a very humble man. This is Kevin Chang, and he’s in the forum also. He looks phenomenal. I think he takes 12 citron per day while he’s in pre-contest because it just kind of nullifies the carbohydrates. I would say that it’s a supplement, it’s not a drug, but it has a very similar effect to what Ozempic or Semaglutide or one of the GLP one inhibitors, but it’s only on a meal by meal basis, not in your system. So I don’t tell people that they should do cheat meals. You’re only cheating yourself on a cheat meal. Also, there’s the triglyceride and LDL issue that I was talking about. You don’t want to dump a bunch of triglycerides in your body because that almost guarantees, well, it doesn’t guarantee. It guarantees that the likelihood of a cardiac event is much higher. So don’t do that if you have, I’d rather somebody be like 20 grams of carbohydrates per day, which by the way, for muscular people, 30 or 40 muscular men, 30 or 40 grams of carbohydrates are the maximum that can be used as muscle glycogen. So to me, that’s really where we should be. I don’t think there’s bodybuilding coaches that say you need 400 grams of carbohydrates a day. I mean, that’s just a terrible idea. But they’re bodybuilders, and I don’t think health is even on their radar. Yeah, no. It’s just they’re trying to create a look. Yeah. Yeah. Probably another reason why we’re talking past each other. When anyone tries to have a conversation with me online, and sometimes I just answer in a video, it’s like, what the hell are you thinking? What do you think is going to happen to you? Have you ever googled the word glycation? Of course they haven’t. They’ve never heard it, and because they’ve never heard it, it must not exist according to the Dunning Kruger research, which shows that the people who know the least have the strongest opinions and always believe they’re right. Which another thing that I think really defines not the bodybuilding community, it’s more like the wannabe bodybuilders, because people who are actually competing, if you’re winning contests, you’re not stupid. You’re probably pretty smart because you realize you’re applying some things that you’ve been taught, and they might be sort of nonsensical and you might not want to roll the dice on a different track. But I spoke with Jeremy Illa, I don’t know, it was like two years ago about some of the things that we do in bodybuilding that bodybuilders doing bodybuilding that could be done so much better. And he’s like, oh, absolutely. He’s like, every bodybuilder who’s won major international shows talks about it, but they don’t want to roll the dice and be the first one to try and not have it go well. Also, because they know how to put together a 24 week cutting program, and they know how to adjust it. They know how to get, because keep in mind, they’re not trying to be lean year round. They’re trying to be lean for one day contest day. That’s it. That’s the only thing that matters. They can look terrible the rest of the year. So they’re very strategic in that one day, or maybe even it’s a week, they call it peak week. You want to make sure you’re at your best in that week. If you hit peak ahead of time, you’re going to be worse at your show. Not better. You can’t maintain that. So it’s very complicated to do that. And I’m just sort of from just a general health perspective, your interest and my interest is that valuable information to us. No, I’m more worried about the other 364 days out of the year, and I also don’t want to spike my triglycerides for reasons we discussed. I want to be healthy, and like I said, their goal is not that. So yeah, there’s a big disconnect between my talking points and their talking points.

Sean McCormick: Anything else you’ve changed, you’re insanely consistent, which is kind of why I asked this question, and since I’ve known you are extremely consistent in what you post about what you talked, what you talk about, how you support, what you talk about. Your consistency is just, I mean, it’s really refreshing in a world where people are just flip and flop all day long on everything. They just follow the cutest, newest thing. Is there anything else that you’ve changed your mind about either personally, professionally?

Dr. John Jaquish: I think that about covers it. I mean, just the carbohydrate recommendations and the exercise. Those are two huge things, by the way. Oh, here’s the biggest thing of ’em. All TRT is now very different than it used to be. Are you up to speed on what I’m about to say?

Sean McCormick: I might be pretty

Dr. John Jaquish: Close to. So the problem, I’ve been a TRT patient since my testicles were crushed in our rugby hit when I was in my twenties. That hurt by the way, in case you’re wondering. I bet. And so I had really low testosterone after this 163 nanograms to the, and I was told in my late twenties because of this, I might have a cardiac issue in my thirties. I might have a heart attack in my thirties. And it’s like, okay, well, what’s the solution for that? And they’re like, oh, we need to put you on testosterone. I was like, thought testosterone was bad for the heart. And they’re like, no, there are more testosterone receptors in the heart than all the muscles combined. And I was like, oh, okay. So PRT for my heart, I was already strong. I was playing rugby at a very high level. So it was like, okay, I mean, I’ll give it a shot. I didn’t get stronger at all with TRT. I didn’t put on any muscle at all, but wow, did I feel better? So when I realize now that not only was I exercising sort of in a standard manner, which is really ineffective for 99% of the population, which includes me, that my SHBG was always fighting to come up the sex hormone binding globulin. So sex hormone meaning testosterone binding, meaning here’s testosterone and here’s what happens, and it makes the testosterone worthless. So the problem with TRT is you get a prescription and it works for about 60 days, and then it stops working forever because your body Upregulates, SHPG, to bring you back to homeostasis. So why is SHPG going up? Well, I was running an experiment about two years ago where I was trying to change my TRT protocol so that I would not have any upregulation of SHBG, and I was trying to mimic the natural secretion pattern. So what happens is you wake up in the morning, let’s say you wake up at eight by 10:00 AM your testosterone is really high, and it kind of tapers off from there, and about 3:00 PM it’s pretty low. So, which also tells you when you have your blood work done, it should probably only be at 10:00 AM if you get up at eight or 8:00 AM if you get up at six, because it massively fluctuates with your natural up and down regulations. So once I realized this, I was like, well, no wonder SHBG is going up because when you take a shot at testosterone, it gives you high testosterone for multiple days, even like a week. Well, if testosterone is high at night, the body sees that as a problem and tries to get rid of it. So what we really need is something that makes us have high testosterone when we wake up and then tapers off basically mirroring circadian rhythm of testosterone. And so I started, I changed what I was doing. I went to a, used what’s called testosterone suspension, which has no ester attached, so it just body metabolizes it very quickly. So tiny shots, I was taking 10 milligrams a day, so that means 70 milligrams a week, which is way lower than a TRT dosage. I was growing faster than I ever had. Wow. And so I was like, well, daily injections suck, but it’s actually working. And I mean, there were also subcutaneous, so you just pinch a little bit of skin somewhere and usually on your core and just inject with a tiny, tiny insulin needle. And so that was working really well for me. Then it was like I had some friends and I started Primal Medical Group. Basically the push with Primal Medical Group was if you’re tired of your doctor giving you what is terrible advice like going vegan for example, and you probably just should get a better doctor that actually knows current nutrition literature. So put together a group, got about a hundred physicians, well over a hundred now who were up to speed on, at the very least, they won’t tell you to stop eating meat. They will say, meat has incredible nutrition benefits. They won’t tell you to go carnivore unless somebody already is carnivore. Then they’re like, right on. That’s totally fine. You can totally do that. That’s not a bad path at all. So had this company, then I bumped into the new, this is newly FDA approved. There’s a couple different versions of it, but oral testosterone. So this oral testosterone, it’s a testosterone unweight, which is a much older drug, but it hadn’t been an oral before. So when ingested orally, it absorbs through the body, through the lymphatic system, not through the liver. So it gives you no liver damage and it doesn’t need to be methylated. Also, it doesn’t suppress your natural testosterone. It is additive to your natural testosterone. So that’s awesome. And you can go on and you can take it one day and you can just not take it the next week and then go back on. You go on and off whenever you want. There’s no side effect of doing that, which is not how TRT traditionally works at all. You’ll be really screwed up. You go on and off all the time. So it’s a much better approach. So primal is getting everybody switched over to the oral testosterone that’s primal, and they’ve been, the patients are so much happier when they switch to this. You have none of the side effects. Probably the only thing that we still have to watch out for is blood pressure. So if somebody has out of control blood pressure, they need to get that controlled first. Usually they just need to cut carbohydrates out of their diet. You retain four grams of water per gram of carbohydrate, and you can fix high blood pressure in a day. Just stop eating carbs. And it’s not salt. Salt is not the problem. It’s carbohydrates. So they can do that. Or I suppose they can take blood pressure medication if they’re just too lazy. You’re dealing with doctors and regular people. So at some point, if someone’s just absolutely unwilling to change their nutrition, it’s like, okay, we can control it with a drug if they’re just unwilling. And so you got to get the blood pressure under control, but then after that, you’re gold

Sean McCormick: Under can weight. Is that the name of it?

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, U-N-D-E-C-A-N-O-A-T-E.

Sean McCormick: Yeah. Super interesting. How much sleep per night do you get?

Dr. John Jaquish: I kind of wake up after seven and a half hours, maybe seven sometimes. Yeah. I don’t ever set an alarm, just my eyes open and I’m like, get up, get sleep. Has never been a, it is a problem if you don’t get enough of it, but sleeping eight hours is kind of hard for me. I just wake up and I don’t feel tired during the day if I’m nodding off. That’s weird. That’s probably because I had a brutal flight or something like that.

Sean McCormick: Well, yeah. I’m curious when it comes to building muscle and obviously all the, it’s such a consistent theme, and I talk to gut health experts or Rob Wolf or some author, it’s talking about addiction. It’s like, what’s the most important thing? And everybody’s like, sleep the most important. And so I was curious about how much you were getting and how much of a premium you put on sleep for muscle growth.

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, I tell people they should get the proper amount of sleep, but it’s one, it’s like the carbohydrate things. People are going to do what they’re going to do. Also, I don’t have kids yet. As soon as I have kids, I know my sleep will not be what I want it to be.

Sean McCormick: Something to look forward to,

Dr. John Jaquish: Something to look forward to. My wife’s better equipped to deal with that because she has a little more time to sleep than I do.

Sean McCormick: Yeah, that’s the way it should be, man.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It’s like, let me go to work. This is all you. I mean, of course I’m going to be a participant, my raising of a child and take care of the kid. Yeah. I’m looking forward to coming home from work and taking the kid off of her hands so she can relax. Yeah. Yeah. I think that’s just one of those things where dads are great for certain things like that. I’ve been sort of collecting really useful information from some parenting books. I think most parenting books are just full of fluff. Just this could have been summarized on a one page, and it is just trash in there. But they’re not scientific texts, which is what I’m used to reading, so I get it. They’re trying to make it sort of fun and little anecdotal stories, and you’re just get to the fucking point. But yeah, I think one of the things that you got to do as a father is give the mother a break that seems to be just a theme all over the place. So I’m ready for that.

Sean McCormick: Nice.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. I’ll have some fun activity for me and the kid to do, and she could take a nap.

Sean McCormick: Yeah. Yeah. That’s good. It is a good feeling. Well, there’s so much of current paradigm parenting. It’s so woke now. It’s emotional, social, emotional learning, which is a scam. Hey,

Dr. John Jaquish: Do you know what a silky parent

Sean McCormick: Is? No.

Dr. John Jaquish: I learned this word the other day. No, it’s basically a parent that is just completely accommodating and will let the kid do anything they want. And it’s just like, wow, you’re going to have an unemployable child. Your child’s going to just be inmate number, whatever, from prison.

Sean McCormick: I know a couple of parents in the neighborhood like that, and their kids are just terrible to be around. And then they come to my house. My house is the fun place where there’s trampolines and soccer balls and ping pong tables and fun shit to do. So they come to my house and when they do something that they’re not supposed to do, or they drop a candy wrapper in the middle of the yard, and I say, pick it up, they are so shocked. They’re so shocked at boundaries that they don’t know what to do with themselves. But then they still love coming back because they need that. They need those boundaries. They need accountability, these little tiny kids.

Dr. John Jaquish: So this is probably one of the, I don’t know if I should admit this, but I do do something similar except I do it to strangers. Whenever I see somebody drop a piece of trash on the ground, I’m like, Hey, pick that shit up right now. And it’s very jarring to a lot of people because nobody really talks to people like that anymore. Sometimes they’re just like, you can’t talk to people like that. And I’m like, I just did talk to people like that. So I chew out complete strangers for littering, but I do think in some way I walk away and they’re never really angry after I leave, they’re like, oh, they’re not going to hurt me. And I mean, ultimately, if everybody’s threw their trash on the ground, it would look like California everywhere. What happens in California?

Sean McCormick: That’s right. That’s right.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. I mean, it’s really the homeless population that’s doing that, but it’s like, imagine if everyone just, they had a piece of trash, just threw it out the window of their car. We would fuck everything up. Everybody’s got to be accountable for the trash they create.

Sean McCormick: Yeah. We know where that story goes. And it’s that, it’s like that here in Seattle too. Everybody’s just in their own little worlds. Times are differently changing. But it’s encouraging because I’ve noticed, and I tend to surround myself both in person socially and follow people on the internet and make friends remotely. There is a shift. I think that the woke stuff is changing. I think people are tired of it. I don’t know if you happen to the Tom Brady roast that was released a couple of days ago. It is the funniest. It’s like three hours long. But it, it’s actual,

Dr. John Jaquish: I heard some of the highlights. Oh dude, I’m friends with Alex Guerrero and so, oh, are you some the shit from, yeah,

Sean McCormick: Dude, he took a ton of heat, but it’s humor is coming back, masculinity is coming back. Irreverence is coming back, people can actually make jokes and speak freely. I think it’s just a breath of fresh air. And

Dr. John Jaquish: I think people are tired of being censored when they walk down the street like, oh, I’m not to say that. Why? And if somebody’s offended, that’s their problem. Not your problem. You’re offended.

Sean McCormick: Yeah.

Dr. John Jaquish: There’s obvious exceptions. Someone’s just being lewd in public for no good reason. It’s like, all right, well you can’t do that. You can’t yell fire in a movie theater just because you want to be funny. But other than that, just be able to say whatever you want to say.

Sean McCormick: I think that there is a course correction upon us by, and maybe it’s subgroups and maybe it’s just a natural progression, but there is a course correction happening where people who don’t care what people think, they have good ideas, their lifestyle, their physique, their businesses, their family, their bank accounts are a reflection of what matters to them. And what matters to them is health and vitality and independence and bodily sovereignty. And I think that it goes hand in glove with strong men. Strong men are coming back. It’s cool again to be muscular and speak your opinion. And we have, I think a couple of people to really thank for that. Thank God, thank the gods for Joe Rogan and his impact in the world because it’s undeniable, the popularity of jujitsu. There is a course correction upon us. And to your point, and you’ve been talking about this for a very long time, is strength is strength. Be strong everywhere all the time.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Everyone should be strong. If you’re an adult, you need to be strong. You never know when you need to help a little old lady with a suitcase or something. If anything, just you got to be strong to be able to protect and take care of your kids. And I see some people, remember, I live in California, so weak males are a thing here. And whereas I see a father trying to play catch with his kid and the guy’s not even strong enough to throw a ball like a baseball.

Sean McCormick: That’s so sad. Oh God,

Dr. John Jaquish: Dude, you’re weak. Like a frail, super elderly person. And I’m talking to a guy who’s like 40 And unbelievable complete rejection of anything that has to do with strength or fitness or health. And it’s even crazier in I, there have been, for some reason, the United Kingdom is really bad about this. You can’t put fit people in advertisements because it’s unrealistic. Now, I agree. Most people’s level of fitness that are fitness models, they do show something that’s unrealistic, of course, unless you’re using variable resistance. But yeah, I mean, the average person, are they going to be fit looking with just standard approach to fitness? Not a chance. 9% of ’em will look like nothing. But it is weird because you cannot advertise with fit people. And now this has just been floated by some people that no one’s actually taking it seriously yet. But stupid ideas start as stupid ideas and then they become policy later. But there are actually some of these woke people that are trying to make exercise illegal. No. Oh yeah. No. Mostly in the United Kingdom. No, I’ve seen articles about this. No, no exercise is white supremacy.

Sean McCormick: No.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. And I could swear that the last football game I watched, it wasn’t white people that were, it wasn’t just white guys. I mean, how did you connect the bench press and race? But these woke people, they don’t need evidence to kick and scream about something. It’s

Sean McCormick: Almost like they want us to be sick. It’s almost like they want us to be sick and fat and need medication and

Dr. John Jaquish: Well, I think some of the overweight influencers are just useful idiots for sort of pharma. Let’s keep everybody sick because that way they need to keep, that’s a conspiracy theory, but there’s a lot of things out there that make it seem like it’s really a real thing. How about the American Diabetes Association? They’ve known for 30 years that low carbohydrate nutrition makes diabetes absolutely disappear, gone. It doesn’t exist anymore yet all they push is insulin and metformin and other similar drugs. The human body is not built with flaws that are supposed to be fixed by chemicals that are not found in nature. That’s just not how it works. The human body’s perfect. If you give it the right nutrients and the right stresses, it will respond amazingly. The medical community is just absolute rejection of nutrition as an approach to health. Absolute rejection of exercise. I’ve been in situations where I started talking about exercise in a social setting, and there was some physicians that were there and they were rolling their eyes and I’m like, Hey, you rolled your eyes when I’m talking about exercise. You don’t think exercise makes people healthier? And they’re like, no,

Sean McCormick: Come on. No.

Dr. John Jaquish: Oh yeah. But the A MA doesn’t make any statements about exercise. So if they went to school, they went to medical school and followed what the A guidelines say, they would never really know anything about fitness

Sean McCormick: And they

Dr. John Jaquish: Don’t. So does it affect your health as far as their concerned, they haven’t seen any evidence. Now also, I know this is going to shock everybody. Physicians don’t read research. They don’t have time for it. They’re seeing patients, in fact, a physician’s like a manual laborer, they make money when they see patients, when they’re not seeing patients, they don’t make any money. So when you email your doctor or a research study like, Hey, you might want to take a look at this. I think this would help with a lot of your patients. They’re just going to roll their eyes and hit the lead. They’re not going to read a word of it because that doesn’t pay off their medical school loan. Follow the

Sean McCormick: Money,

Dr. John Jaquish: Just

Sean McCormick: You’re going to learn a whole bunch real quick. If you just follow the money, use that in pharmaceutical medicine. Use that in just about any sort of special interest. Just follow the money. Just spend 10 minutes following the money and figure out where it goes and it will tell you everything that you need to know. The importance of muscle mass is, I dunno, I see it in the mail. I see clips from Gabrielle Lyon, who I know that you’re friends with. She wrote

Dr. John Jaquish: A great book, right?

Sean McCormick: Cancer

Dr. John Jaquish: Muscle is the antiaging organ. Yeah.

Sean McCormick: Yeah. It’s so important. It’s critical. And it’s not that complicated. It’s really not. And again, when you have systems,

Dr. John Jaquish: It depends where you’re getting your information from. If it seems complicated, please find my website. It’s not when you know what you know, but it is for the average person who bumps into, there’s now bodybuilding gurus who are talking about how you need to do 52 sets per body part per week, and you’re like, so you’re basically in the gym like three hours a day for seven days a week. Like, okay. I mean, if that’s what you want to do, don’t

Sean McCormick: Nobody can do that though. I mean, yeah, and

Dr. John Jaquish: That’s the thing. It’s like you’re going to feel horrible after you

Sean McCormick: Before we take this home. And this is, you always deliver, dude. And I really appreciate it. Your ability to just cut through bullshit and speak honestly and openly, I think is really refreshing and really needed. I do want to share just really briefly, my continued, the continued value that I get from X3 and people, my listeners will know that I’m super active in Jiujitsu in there four or five days a week because I fucking love it. I love choking people. I love every second of it and awesome. Walking around at 180 8. I’m stronger than guys who are 2 42, 56 2. And not only am I stronger, but I recover faster. And the ability for me to perform at my optimal level in my life, in my mood, in Juujitsu, in picking up my kids now that both weigh 60 pounds each, and I can pick ’em up and carry ’em around the parking lot. It has made such a massive difference in my life and continues to deliver results for me. And I’m, frankly, I’m not that disciplined with it. I skip days sometimes. I don’t go to complete failure with the orange band, But I can rip out 35 reps at the Orange band, and I’m super thankful for you and for all of the people and all of the listeners, my coaching clients who are executives and CEOs and founders, really high level people, it’s one of the first things that I suggest to them, because if they don’t feel good in their bodies, if they don’t feel confident in their bodies and they don’t have muscle, it affects everything that they do. And the importance of having a system like yours that delivers it quickly and consistently where you can track your progress and makes you a better human being is invaluable. You could charge $10,000 for this system and it would be worth every fucking penny, man. So I want to say thank you.

Dr. John Jaquish: Awesome.

Sean McCormick: I know you’re sick of hearing how good it is.

Dr. John Jaquish: No, I really don’t get sick of that because it is, it’s that simple. I do see in the future that most people will be training with X3 and gyms will be more specialized places. I think they should make a shift towards skill building performance, but the whole idea of just a sea of equipment for specialization movements that are really not that great, I don’t know. I would choose X3 over the Olympic Training Center because it’s just better. It’s going to force me to develop my body much faster than anything else.

Sean McCormick: Yeah. I’m going to be stronger, I’m going to look better naked, and I’m going to be able to perform at everything in my life better just with these four or five bands, this plate and this bar. And it’s, I dunno. I am. I’m just super thankful. Well, I want to end the interview with a fill in the blank question that I ask each of my guests. And this can be based on anything. This doesn’t have to be specific to fitness or wellness or whatever, but elaborate as much or as little as you want. Sure. Everyone would benefit from knowing

Dr. John Jaquish: About variable resistance.

Sean McCormick: If you haven’t picked that up yet, dear listener, then you’ve been distracted. You haven’t been listening.

Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Read the book. Weight Living is a waste of time. This one,

Sean McCormick: It will blow your mind. There he is on the cover. Well, Dr. John Jaquish, thank you so much. It’s great to see you again, my man. To see

Dr. John Jaquish: You. Yeah.

Sean McCormick: Thanks for coming on the podcast again.

Dr. John Jaquish: Awesome. We’ll see you soon.

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