Inventor of the most effective bone density building medical device, which has
reversed osteoporosis for thousands and created more powerful/fracture resistant
athletes, John is now, partnered with Tony Robbins and OsteoStrong for rapid
clinic deployment. In the process of his medical research, he also quantified
the variance between power capacities from weak to strong ranges in weight
lifting, which brought him to his second invention, X3 Bar
. The
research indicates that this product builds muscle much faster than conventional
lifting, and does so in less training time, all with the lowest risk of joint
injury. Dr. Jaquish is a research professor at Rushmore University, speaks at
scientific conferences all over the world, has been featured on many to the top
health podcasts, is an editor of multiple medical journals, and is a nominee of
the National Medal of Science.
We discuss: -The problem with most fitness equipment -How to build muscle
quickly and effectively -How to Burn Fat and Make Gains without injury
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Sara Banta: Today my guest will be talking about nutrition building stronger
bones and muscles. And I know more than anyone that you really need a strong
physical foundation to work on your mental growth, whether it is overcoming
anxiety and depression, losing weight or detoxing your body in the proper way,
or even increasing your level of frequency in life… So now to the good stuff.
John Jaquish is an internationally known author and inventor. He’s going to tell
us how to build muscle and burn fat more effectively and in less time. His story
includes the fascinating journey of working toward building a device that has
helped thousands of women reverse osteoporosis. He’s also the inventor of the
X3 Bar
, which is the world’s most powerful muscle building device.
And he’s the bestselling author of Weight Lifting is a Waste of Time
.
John is formally on the Board of Directors of the American Bone Health and
Editorial Board at the Journal of Steroids and Hormonal Science. He is a
published research scientist and he’s a longtime partner of Tony Robbins who I
love. And he wrote the forward to John’s other book,
Unbreakable
. Welcome, John. How are you today?
Dr. John Jaquish: I’m fantastic, Sara. That was a great intro. Thanks for having
me.
Sara Banta: I’m excited. I don’t think anyone’s going to argue with wanting to
build muscle faster and in less time than the traditional methods. I was a long
time athlete in high school. I was rowing. I was playing volleyball. I had
periods in my life where I was running miles every day, and then I was going to
the gym trying to get results. So I would first like to start with your journey
on how you got here and how you first got into bone density, because that’s
something else that hits home with me, is that osteoporosis runs in my family.
Dr. John Jaquish: Sure. It was all from my mother, actually. She was diagnosed
with osteoporosis. I’m sure you’ve seen this video. You’re asking for the sake
of your audience. Yeah. My mom, it sucks to be hurting. It sucks even worse when
it’s your mom. You only got one. And yeah, I saw her really miserable and she
felt like she wasn’t going to be able to do anything she loved doing. And it was
like her quality of life was gone getting the news that she had osteoporosis.
And so I wanted to learn more about osteoporosis and I wanted to see if there
was some way I could help her with it. And what’s so interesting about it is
that it’s a dysfunction of deconditioning. So when a muscle gets weaker, we
don’t call that a disease.
Sara Banta: Okay.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right? It’s just deconditioned. So we can recondition it. So
the same thing is true for bone. And so I said that to my mother, and that
wasn’t really useful advice. Then the next thing I said was, “What if I build a
medical device that can recondition the bone?” Because I knew that force through
bone was how it is triggered to be grown in the first place, like when we’re
children. And so what I did was a literature review first, and I wanted to see
if there was a group of people who were super responders. They build bone
density higher than normal on how they did it. And I knew it had to do with
putting force through bone. This group of people was really easy to find,
gymnasts. And it had to do with the level of impact they absorb. Now they also
injure very easily and very quickly. And they typically retire at 19 years of
age. So I wasn’t going to tell my mother to be a gymnast though there were some
jokes. And I thought, “Okay. What I need is to create a set of devices that
emulated impact.” That gave us the benefit of high impact without the risks. So
no one’s going to break anything, there’s nothing abrupt. You use your own
comfort to mediate the force that goes through bone. And then you trigger the
bone to grow because you’re passing the relevant minimum dose response levels.
So by dose response level, there’s other research that came out later after I
developed my prototypes that determined that the minimum force to go through the
hip joint to grow any bone at all is 4.2 multiples of body weight. So no one
exercises with four times their body weight.
Sara Banta: No.
Dr. John Jaquish: Think about your body weight and multiply that by four. Is
that what you hold on your back when you exercise? No.
Sara Banta: No.
Dr. John Jaquish: Not even close. Even professional athletes don’t do that. But
in impact, we can get that pretty easily. And so that’s what I set out to do and
that’s what I did. And after 18 months after treating my mother, she had the
bones of a 30 year old. She had a T-score of almost zero.
Sara Banta: Wow.
Dr. John Jaquish: [inaudible] osteoporosis be diagnosed all the way back to
perfectly healthy bone which would not even be associated with her age. She was
in her 70s at the time, and now she has a bones of a 30 year old and continues
to have the bone density of a 30 year old.
Sara Banta: And did you incorporate any supplements or any specific diet? I know
you follow more carnivore ketogenic type diet.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah.
Sara Banta: Did you put her on any special diet or how are the typical Western
medicine supplements for osteoporosis help or hurt the process?
Dr. John Jaquish: I didn’t have her doing anything differently than she normally
did. So she probably typically gets 50% of her nutrition from animal protein and
the rest is from plant-based sources. And by plant-based, I mean like pastries
and all the other things I tell her not to eat, because that is plant-based. But
she didn’t have any luck telling me what to do, so yeah. Probably [inaudible]
her not taking my advice. But yeah. So there’s a lot of talk about the value of
pastries. I’m arguing the lack of, but right, your mom. You don’t really argue
with her. So there was that, and no particular diet. But I will say that
there’ve been 20 studies that show plant-based nutrition, and especially
veganism does destroy the bone very rapidly. Because born is made, mean, it’s
protein, you need the building blocks. And you’re not converting sugar or diet,
it’s the same thing, into a bone mass. So yeah, I would say the more animal
protein heavy, the better off somebody is. I don’t really focus on calcium that
much, mostly because it’s self-regulatory. It’s the only mineral that the body
self regulate. The more calcium you take in, the more is pushed out of your
bone.
Sara Banta: Yeah. That’s something that I’ve really tried to snuff out, because
my mom having this issue has been told to take calcium supplements. And what
people don’t realize is calcium deposits in the body are what causes a lot of
issues like arthritis and tendonitis and all of the itis in the body. Right? And
it’s from stress the body leeches out the calcium and it goes and finds its
place in other areas of your body. So I’m assuming you did not put her on a
calcium supplement.
Dr. John Jaquish: Nope.
Sara Banta: Right. Yeah. I don’t know, the studies behind that as far as if
there’s any correlation as far as taking a calcium supplement and building bone
or if it’s a complete myth.
Dr. John Jaquish: There’s some research, but when you read the methods, the
methods section, the studies, they’ll take people that are in such low bone
density. You can hand them a jump rope or something and-
Sara Banta: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: … they’ll build a little bit of bone.
Sara Banta: So let’s-
Dr. John Jaquish: You get up and walk around. So yeah. I mean, you can take
toxic nutrition, let me give you an example. How many NFL players were found out
to be alcoholics through their whole career? There’s quite a few. Does that mean
that alcohol built muscle?
Sara Banta: No.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. Just like, okay. So I’m not. The mechanisms is what I’d
rather look at. And the more calcium you take in, the more you lose.
Sara Banta: Can you describe what this method is and how it works?
John Jaquish: Yeah. The body is put in the position where you naturally absorb
impact. So for example, somebody was to trip and fall. They protect their upper
body by putting their hands up where the back of the hand is in line with the
clavicle and there’s 120 degree angle from upper to lower arm. Everybody falls
the same. Little kids, elderly people. If you have the time to react, embrace
yourself for the fall, same reaction. And so what I determined was that humans
have an incredible ability to absorb forces in those positions and not so much
in other positions. So that’s what led me to my next advancement, which has more
to do with muscle and bone.
Sara Banta: Awesome. Well, let’s get to it. Like I mentioned to you before, I
was an athlete all my life and I’ve gone through periods of doing the wrong
thing, doing the right thing and finding my balance. And as I age, it changes of
course too. And I want to talk about how this relates to women in general as
well at the end. But let’s talk first about your view on fitness in general and
the current model of working out and why it’s failing. We’ve got CrossFit and
we’ve got things like Orangetheory, and we’ve got people just going to the gym
and lifting a ton of weights, and then we’ve got people going on an eight mile
run. Let’s take each one and what’s wrong with it? What is it doing to our
bodies? And is it doing anything good for us?
Dr. John Jaquish: I would say fitness is the most failed human endeavor. Well,
it’s not really me, it’s saying that the data says that. I try not to say
anything. I just point out what the research is showing us. And so let’s take
males, for example. There’s more data on strength in males.
Sara Banta: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Dr. John Jaquish: So we look at 23% of US males do strength training in some
way. Either they do at home or in gym or CrossFit or whatever. The leanest 1% of
males over the age of 18 is just under 11% body fat. That’s the top one
percentile, which for males is not impressive. Like 11% of body fat is like, you
can maybe see a little bit at the top abdominals, but not really much. And you
probably don’t have a gut. That’s the top 1%. And also keep in mind a lot of the
internet commenters imagine that everybody who looks good is taking some sort of
anabolic drug. That’s not true either. One in six males over the age of 18 in
the United States are using or have used anabolic steroids. Well, one in six
were taking these drugs and they’d all be fit, that’d be a lot of people.
Sara Banta: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. Except they all clearly look like nothing. And so it’s
not that either. And also I think a lot of people think that those drugs make it
all magically happen and they don’t at all. So who’s fit and why? Why not one in
six people? Well, it’s probably who’s really like a great level of fitness and
health. It’s probably more like one in 600 or one in 6,000. Which is why it’s so
rare, which is why I’m in very good shape. When I take my shirt off at the
beats, kids will run up to me and the little ones will be like, “Are you
Batman?” And the other ones will be like, “How did you do this? That seems
impossible.” So I get the Batman comment all the time, I really like that.
That’s awesome. So there’s really two factors that matter. It’s your nutrition,
you need to have the right building blocks. This is your wheel house.
Sara Banta: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: And then is your training stimulating anything? And most
people don’t have the building blocks, they’re eating garbage. And a lot of them
are eating garbage that they’re told is good for them.
Sara Banta: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Dr. John Jaquish: Let’s go and spend billions of dollars trying to get that
message. Like you really need your cookies and crackers. And they’ll even stamp
like healthy, there’s nothing natural about the Nature Valley granola. There’s
all kinds of chemicals in there.
Sara Banta: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: Just because it says nature on it doesn’t mean a squirrel
would eat it. Because a squirrel is probably smart enough to go, “That’s not
food.” So I get stuck in this position where I see it’s pretty simple, there’s
two things, nutrition and the stimulus. And most people are getting neither. So
what I did was, I looked at my bone density research, and you actually seen the
research, right? The study that was at London. Yeah. Right. When you look at
that study and you look at the huge forces, the post-menopausal population was
using, 600, 700, 800 pounds, these women were putting through their hip joints.
And these are women who have never exercised in their life. How are they doing
that? Well, it has to do with optimizing the position. So now they didn’t start
off doing that on day one, they adapted very quickly. But I saw the speed of the
adaptation where they would add 50 pounds per week to these movements. They’re
capable of generating 50 more pounds per week. And you think, what kind of
change is that in the body? I knew bone was changing. I knew other things were
changing too. Because that doesn’t come from nowhere. You can generate that kind
of power in that difference. And they tried it as hard as they could every week.
And a maximum effort yielded a very different result or a very rapidly growing
result. So I compared, because the physicians at the hospital that we did this
study at, they were like, “What do people normally lift? Because we see the
results of how quickly people are gaining in their output ability. But what do
people do in a gym?” Because they don’t know. Physicians typically aren’t
necessarily focused, there are some who are focused on strength training. So
when it came to those outputs and that question why, I looked at the NAS
database, which is something that to database where 2000 people a year go
through a battery of tests and were interviewed. And it’s the largest collection
of health data that the world has ever seen. I think there’s like 40,000 people
in there now.
Sara Banta: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Dr. John Jaquish: So it’s been going on a while. The body fed information, bone
density information, nutrition information. And so we looked at DNA database,
what people put on average through their hip joints. And it was anywhere from
1.3 to 1.5, three multiples of body weight. So we knew like, okay, no wonder
nobody’s gaining any bones, because we need to exceed 4.2 and most of the
stronger people are 1.53. So it just doesn’t make sense. No wonder so many
people have osteoporosis. So that was the first thing. Second thing was, if we
look at the difference between what most people use in the gym and what they’re
actually capable of in the impact ready position, it really shows that
weightlifting is terrible stimulus. Because when we pick up a weight, it’s the
same weight in the most advantageous position as it is in the most
disadvantageous position. So if you look at the differences between those two
positions, it’s about a seven fold difference. So what we need is a weight that
changes as we move.
Sara Banta: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Dr. John Jaquish: Now, my natural thought was, all yeah, band training. Maybe
people missed something when they started doing band training. But I realized
very quickly that the problem with bands, rock rubber bands is what we’re
talking about or I mean, crummy ones are made out of petroleum, those stretch
out and break down. I’m talking about the layered latex ones, nice ones that
will not stretch out and will not break. But as they get heavier, they twist
your wrist. If you try and throw one around your back and do a pushup, your
wrists are being twisted and the pain in your wrist will keep you from actually
getting any muscle stimulus at all, because that’s your body’s way of saying,
“No, we can’t do this.” So no one gets stronger from just bands by themselves.
So I thought, “Okay, well.” Because at first I just thought, I was busy working
with the medical devices for bone density. I was busy working with OsteoStrong,
is what it’s called. And that had a franchise clinic model and we’re in eight
different countries, 140 locations, that’s been growing very fast. And so I
thought I’m busy with this, I don’t have time to do anything other than write a
book. I thought I was going to write a book about variable resistance. And
there’s also a lot of research about variable resistance. It shows it’s
superior, but then no one was really applying it. It was like, here’s an
interesting study, and there’s a huge problem in the fitness industry of
scientific discovery and then having it translate into anything that is applied
in fitness. And I see trainers all the time, they’ll do one thing and then
they’ll do another thing. Those two things counteract each other or they hurt
people. I see a lot of people doing sort of chronic injury inducing movements.
Sara Banta: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. I usually don’t run over and interrupt somebody.
[inaudible] rude. But I notice it. What can I say? So I’m trying to get people
away from that. And I prescribe a very particular protocol with the next device.
Because I decided to design another device for strength training, which would
require banding that was 50 to 100 times more powerful than what was available.
But you have an Olympic bar that manages the bands. So the bands can move but
your grip is always optimized. And then there’s an equivalent plate that you
stand on so that your ankles are also kept neutral. Because keeping pain out of
the wrist and ankles is absolutely key for success in any strength training
movement. And so once we got to that neutral position, we were able to load the
human body to incredible degrees. We could fatigue muscle with diminishing
range. Meaning, first you go to a position where you’re going through movements
where you fatigue in a stronger range, then you do shorter repetitions in the
medium range, and then your last few repetitions are in the weaker range. You
completely fatigue the muscle. And it happens very quickly. So workouts 10
minutes. And most people look at me and I’m 8% or 7% body fat, and I’m on a 240
pounds.
Sara Banta: Yes. For anyone who’s just listening to the audio. You need to click
over to YouTube or Facebook to watch the video. John is not slightly built. He’s
in muscle mass and it’s amazing. So here we’re talking about the
X3 Bar
, and you showed the band’s hook up to the silver rod
essentially, correct?
Dr. John Jaquish: It’s an Olympic bar, yeah.
Sara Banta: It’s an Olympic bar. And-
Dr. John Jaquish: Also we didn’t make it out of silver, [inaudible]. But thank
you, silver is right.
Sara Banta: So how many different exercises can you do with that device? And is
it giving you a whole body central training workout?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. I’m glad you brought that up, because there’s a lot of
controversy over how many exercises are really needed.
Sara Banta: Exactly.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. And there’s a lot of misinformation there. And all the
time somebody is like, “How do I do a kettlebell movement? Or how do I do,
because I got to do that.” Or, “How do I do a hip thrust?” Let me-
Sara Banta: So-
Dr. John Jaquish: Let me rant on hip thrusts, because I know you have a female
audience or at least there’s a portion of your audience that’s female. You’ll
talk to a personal training person or some guru on YouTube who talks about hip
thrusts. These are the people who use the word functional three times in one
sentence. Then they lie on the ground stack weighted plates on their crotch,
they push that up towards the sky. How is that functional? Why does the body
need to do that? I mean, there’s endless jokes we can make, but you’re trying to
activate your glutes, your butt. The deadlift in the squat to a much better job
of that, but they’re hard. So we’ve come up with kind of a joke exercise. It’s
like the plank. Dr. Sean Baker, he’s one of my favorite people [inaudible].
Sara Banta: Yeah. He’s been on the show.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. He’s great. And Sean Baker is like the plank it’s a
great way to pretend you’re working out. I love it. He’s just that he says it
how it is. You’re right, it’s like that’s not really an exercise. You’re just
holding your abs like in like sort of.
Sara Banta: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Okay. But yeah, the hip thrusts fall into that same category.
And then you have to look at the fact that with all other exercise, looking at
how the human body moves, there’s a reason our leg muscles and our glutes or
butt muscles grow from doing squats versus a leg press. Because the leg press
and a hip thrust, or like trying to get a tan with candles, it’s just the wrong
stimulus. It’s leg, but it’s not the right kind of leg. So yeah. And when
somebody says, “(beep) you can’t do hip thrusts with X3 Bar
. Right.
And my automobile won’t make me dinner. That doesn’t mean it’s a terrible oven.
Sara Banta: Well, I mean, as I’m looking at you, you are not overdeveloped in
certain areas and underdeveloped in others.
Dr. John Jaquish: No [inaudible].
Sara Banta: You’re [inaudible] in every single, what people, especially men are
looking for. But we need to take a quick short commercial break. And we’re going
to come back and talk more about the X3 Bar
and more about your diet
and your nutrition advice.
Dr. John Jaquish: Great.
Sara Banta: So, we’ll be right back. Welcome back to Accelerate Health Radio and
TV. I’m your host Sarah Banta, the owner of Accelerated Health Products. And
today we have John Jaquish talking about strength and diet and bone density.
John, what is the true definition of fitness? Because some people will say,
“With the X3 Bar
, great, we’re building muscle, we’re stimulating
those muscle fibers, but what about my heart health? And what about endurance?”
Where does that fit in? And does it?
Dr. John Jaquish: You ask great questions. Let’s start with the heart. So
there’s more than 100 studies that show that your cardiovascular health is
better improved or equally improved with strength training over cardiovascular
type training. So that defeats the conversation like, Oh, you need to do both or
you need to be well rounded or whatever. Now there’s a huge myth that comes into
play when somebody says, like I was recently in Munich with a friend of mine, we
were going to Moscow. So we had switched plans in Munich and Munich area or the
Munich airport, but it’s like the airport or stairs. You have to run up and down
the stairs like four times when you’re going from one country to another,
because you got to go through immigration and United States as a message you one
more time. And it’s just a hassle as you’re running up and down the stairs. And
this guy I was with, he’s skinny guy, weighs about 100 pounds less than me. And
he’s a triathlete. And we finally get through it and get to get through our
plane to Moscow on time. And I’m like covered in sweat and I’m breathing pretty
hard. And he goes, “Your cardiovascular health is terrible.” And I said, “No.
No, one’s not, not even yours.” I said, “But my legs are maybe, my quadricep
muscles forget about the bone and the blood vessels and tendons and ligaments. I
might have five times the amount of muscle mass in my quads, glutes and calves,
than you do. Which means that bigger engine is using a lot more blood, which
means my heart has to pump harder, which means I get out of breath.” So the idea
that the strength athlete has poor cardiovascular fitness is false. Now, I mean,
if you want to be able to run 23 miles in a relatively short period of time, if
you want to be a marathon runner, is what I’m saying. You got to run marathons.
Because you actually want to lose your muscle mass, which coincidentally
cardiovascular training does force you to lose muscle mass, it up regulates
cortisol. Cortisol does two things, it protects your body fat. So it keeps you
fatter longer and make sure that you lose as much muscle mass as possible. So
you almost become like an economy car. Small engine, a lot of storage.
Sara Banta: It’s so interesting is when we were not in COVID and I was going to
strength training classes or yoga classes. There was a group of women in those
classes that had just done an Orangetheory class, come over. They’re doing this
chronic cardio. And I needed to say it, but there was no muscle definition, and
there was alot of belly fat. And what that is, is exactly what you’re talking
about. Is the cortisol that is creating that visceral fat around the midsection.
And like I mentioned before, I’ve gone through periods where I was running a lot
and then I went through periods where I was just lifting weights or not doing
it. I do use a vibration machine and I’d love to hear your opinion on that. I
use that with my weights as well. But-
Dr. John Jaquish: [inaudible]. That’s great. I’m a big fan of that.
Sara Banta: So there has not been a connection between the change in how much
I’m working out versus how little and my body composition. It’s more to do with
food that I’m putting in my mouth, and the hormones that I’m stimulating. If I’m
totally stressed out and my cortisol is up, I can’t get any results regardless
of what I’m doing, what I’m eating or what I’m doing for exercise. So a lot has
to do with hormones. So that is something I wanted to talk about is, do you see
a big increase in human growth hormone and testosterone with just the
X3 Bar
? I know you mentioned men and steroids, and that’s something
that people use to get results. But where naturally just through diet and your
method of working out are you seeing a big boost in human growth hormone and
testosterone?
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Both.
Sara Banta: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. X3 Bar
stimulates a huge amount of both and
the stabilization firing. In fact myself and my co-author, his name is Henry
Alkire. You can just search both our names. We wrote a meta analysis, which is
something I’ll never do again. That was such a [inaudible]. It’s just so much
work to do a meta analysis. But that’s where you take all the research on one
subject and you normalize with statistics. You weight the different studies to
get a more definitive answer on a subject. Very difficult. Very time consuming.
So we did that on a different instability interventions and instability
interventions would load. And what we found was that if you can put a heavy load
on the body while you’re unstable and you can self stabilize, you massively up
regulate growth hormone. Over 2000% up regulate growth hormone. And so when you
have X3 Bar
, I’m doing an overhead press and I’m holding the bar on
my chin, then I push it up over my head, I go from holding 40 pounds to 100
pounds. And when that happens, I have to balance that load over my head. So my
core is activated, my legs are activated, my calves are activated, even the
smaller stabilization muscles like the hip flexors and the quadratus muscles,
and the oblique muscles, and the tibialis muscles. They have to be firing to
keep me stabilized. And that stabilization rapid firing keeps me balanced. That
up regulates growth hormone.
Sara Banta: That’s amazing. And if you think about it, when you’re just running
for miles at a time, you’re not doing any of that. There’s nothing being-
Dr. John Jaquish: [crosstalk] yes, you are. Because look at the scroll of a
sprinter, it’s absolutely still by comparison to the rest of the body.
Sara Banta: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: When you look at a distance runner, the heads bobbing up and
down. So there’s no stabilization fire.
Sara Banta: Right. Well-
Dr. John Jaquish: Go ahead.
Sara Banta: Because I don’t want to run out of time, I want to talk about
fasting, because I know that you eat only every 48 hours, which when people look
at you and they look at the myth behind needing to eat all day long to build
muscle and stimulate muscle growth, which you just absolutely throw that myth
out of the water. Let’s talk about the benefits of fasting, what does your
eating pattern look like? What are you putting on your plate? And just
discussing the myths behind fasting.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. It’s hard to get fasting research done, because
corporate interests have no reason to fund it. There’s no product to sell you
when you’re not eating anything. Right?
Sara Banta: Right.
Dr. John Jaquish: So nobody is throwing money at this. But when you look at
fasting, a lot of people say, “Well, it’s just the same as caloric restriction.”
No, it’s not. There’s been a couple of experiments done where they’ll feed an
animal or human, a couple of different studies. So here’s some animal model, and
some of the most powerful studies are animal models, because you can do stuff to
animals that people won’t adhere to, because you can’t put people in a cage and
you don’t make them do what you want to do for the experiment. No one is going
to sign up for that nor will the human ethics board sign off.
Sara Banta: Exactly.
Dr. John Jaquish: When you take a group of mice and you give them access to food
and they can eat as much as they want for 24 hours a day. And they’ll basically
eat a little bit and then run around a little bit and do whatever they do. And
then you look at their body composition over a period of time, a month or
something like that. And then you measure what they ate on average. Then you
take another group of mice and you give them the same exact amount of food, but
only expose it to them for half an hour. And of course they eat it all, because
they’re hungry. So same amount of calories, just the time absorb changes. The
time restricted eating mice are leaner and stronger, and they built more muscle,
they’ve lost body fat. And the ones who were eating all day, they got fatter and
lost muscle.
Sara Banta: So what is the mechanism that is causing the fasting group to
actually stimulate more muscle gain? I understand that when you’re fasting your
body snacking on fat stores throughout the day, right?
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. [inaudible].
Sara Banta: So what-
Dr. John Jaquish: I mean, your body becomes, a little bit of this is the
theories that have been touched on in the discussion section. And I touched on
this in the book, because it very important that I point out the difference. A
lot of people don’t realize, studies aren’t supposed to come to conclusions that
are like, “Here’s what people need to do.” That’s not how a study is written. A
study is written so that it’s like, “Here’s the experiment we did, and here’s
the results we got.” And that could mean one of many things or none of them. We
need to do more research that. So it’s not as definitive. It’s not like a movie.
Nobody blows up the death star.
It’s like you got an experiment, you got results and we can interpret the
results or we may be wrong. So that’s one of the issues with the way health
reporting goes when looking at studies. Because often they want to come, they
look at a study and they say, “Well, what this means is you’re supposed to eat
kale every day, or you’re never supposed to eat kale. Or tomatoes are poisonous
or whatever. And it’s just not that simple. So when looking at the bigger
picture… Let me go back to the first thing you asked, which is like, what are
the markers of health that we need to look at? And what I determined is, there’s
so much stuff in nutrition research and body composition research is
conflicting.
What do you listen to? Well, there are two things that are identified as drivers
of a long life that have no conflicting evidence. Those are a high level of
strength, a low level of body fat. Be strong and be lean you’re going to live a
long time. No argument there. So then when looking at all the confusing
research, okay. Well, what’s going to make us strongest and leanest? Well, there
are answers there and fascinating as part of it. That’s going to make you very
lean and when you get off your faster period, you grow more muscle post fast
than you would have if you had stayed in an anabolic state the entire time.
I think I may be like Henry and I are like the first ones to document this in a
book. A study discovered it and didn’t really know what they were looking at.
And they admitted. They were like, “We have no idea why these people put on
muscle because they won’t even exercise.” And it was the fat, the group that was
doing intermittent fasting. And I knew exactly why, because I saw it myself. I’d
come off a fast and I have this tight feeling in every muscle after I’d
exercise. And I go, “Okay, I got some blood in there.” But then the tight
feeling didn’t go away. And it stayed, and stayed, and stayed. And a couple of
days later like (beep), it’s like I grew, and watched it happen, and it’s like
post time-restricted eating anabolic acceleration period.
And yeah, now that’s why I do that. Now, then your second question was, what do
you put on your plate? That’s probably the most controversial thing in the book.
And it shouldn’t be, because when looking, and you went through this exercise
too. When you went and looked at how much protein does it take to go through
protein synthesis to build new cells in the body, it’s staggering. And this is
why we know, like when I look at that, that’s all the information I need to
know. That veganism is going to go the way of bulemia. It’s a disorder. And I
think people are just being so misled. And they’re being misled by Nabisco.
Because Nabisco knows that vegans don’t eat vegetables, they eat cookies and
crackers.
Sara Banta: All right.
Dr. John Jaquish: Because if they try and invest was, “I can’t get enough food.”
If it got dense enough. So [crosstalk].
Sara Banta: It’s funny [crosstalk] that, because there was a couple of days
where I had, because I was doing a liver flush, I had to just eat vegetables.
And I kept eating, and eating, and eating, and there was no satisfaction.
[crosstalk]. Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: You’re hungry, you have nothing satiating.
Sara Banta: Right. Well, we only have a minute left. So I’d love for you to tell
people real quick, what is on your plate?
Dr. John Jaquish: Steak.
Sara Banta: Steak.
Dr. John Jaquish: That’s it. That’s really all I eat. I’ll eat some fish
sometimes. I don’t always stick with it. It was an amazing moment the other day
we were eating Sushi, I probably gave her the impression, I ain’t like that all
the time. That’s kind of (beep) little rice there. But that’s not normally on
the menu.
Sara Banta: Yeah.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. It’s [inaudible].
Sara Banta: And it’s interesting you’re talking about this because I’m going
through a process where I’m actually getting food sensitivities done for my own
body. And there’s so many toxins in some vegetables that some people are okay
with and some aren’t, and they could be causing major inflammation in the body.
And the true elimination diet is the carnivore diet. So I always tell people, if
you are really not being able to pinpoint what’s going on with you, then that
would be a way to go. Before we end, because we were just out of time, can you
please tell people where they can find X3 Bar
. Christmas times is
coming up, guys. I mean, what an awesome present for the man and woman in your
life. I’m going to be using it. And-
Dr. John Jaquish: [inaudible] two. Men and women get the same one. So-
Sara Banta: Awesome.
Dr. John Jaquish: … [inaudible] can get one and enjoy.
Sara Banta: So tell people where they can find you.
John Jaquish: I built a landing page the other day, so I don’t have to give all
my different identifiers. It’s doctorj.com, D-O-C-T-O-R, the letter J.com.
Sara Banta: Amazing. That’s easy.[crosstalk].
John Jaquish: Yeah. Well, [inaudible] was done with it. I think he’s been
fishing for the last 15 years, so [crosstalk].
Sara Banta: Thank you so much for being here, John. We’ll have to have you back
on because we ran out of time. But thank you- John Jaquish: Yeah. [crosstalk].
Sara Banta: And John’s audience as well for joining us.Thanks, John. John
Jaquish: Thanks Sara.