In this episode Nick and Ben are talking with Dr. Dr. John Jaquish who is a
scientist, founder and inventor of two amazing biomedical devices, OsteoStrong
. In this episode they discuss: # What John eats to get incredibly big The history of carbohydrates Cardio ‘v’ strength training Why you should follow the X3 Bar
programme Full Transcript #
Nick: Hey, it’s Nick and welcome to the Upgraded Executive podcast. We are
bringing you insights from experts from around the world so you can improve your
own personal and professional performance. This episode is the second one that
we have recorded with Dr. Dr. John Jaquish, and if you liked episode 11, then
you’re going to love episode 12.
Nick: Dr. Jaquish is a founder, scientist, and inventor of two amazing
biomedical devices called OsteoStrong and the
. This episode
is called Eat Carnivore, and some of the things you will hear John talk about
will shock you as he dispels many of the misconceptions around eating red meat,
and why he hasn’t eaten vegetables in over two years. We also speak about
strength training versus cardio, and his new product Fortagen
which enables you to eat less protein and still put on muscle fast.
Nick: John really doesn’t pull any punches, and I love his direct message. If
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Nick: Let’s jump straight into the episode with Dr. Dr. John Jaquish.
Nick: John, you mentioned [inaudible 00:02:02] the nutritional program. Can you
just talk us through how that applies to
and what the essence
is of the program?
Dr. John Jaquish: So I think I’m probably the scientist that should be listened
to on nutrition above just about anybody else. And the reason why is because I
came at it with no bias. Most nutrition researchers, they might be funded by
Nabisco. Now, Nabisco loves vegans because vegans don’t actually get their
calories from vegetables because you can’t eat enough whole vegetables to get
enough calories to keep from dying, so you have to have packaged foods, and
Nabisco sells those. Right? So they really are pushing hard on saying meat’s bad
for you or whatever. That’s not true.
Dr. John Jaquish: High levels of LDL cholesterol, bad cholesterol, is now
associated with longer life. The opposite of what we were told from the 1950s
on. Yeah. It’s amazing once the Staten funding went away, the opposite was found
with what we see with LDLs.
Dr. John Jaquish: So when I approached nutrition, I thought okay. I’ve created
the absolute greatest strength training device the world has ever seen, but the
problem is, I see a lot of people that just have awful nutrition. And they think
they have great nutrition. The guys, I hear all the time, “I have a balanced
diet.” No, you don’t. You don’t even know what that means. Also, and I’ll admit,
there’s so much conflicting research. Okay. What does that even mean? I would
say 99 out of 100 nutrition books are just good for the trash because there’s so
much garbage data, poor studies, conflict of interest type stuff, and I’m seeing
all this, and I’m reading the research, really not any books, and I’m not
following really any personalities.
Dr. John Jaquish: Now, I was friends with David Asprey right when I launched, I
still am, right when I launched
, and so I reviewed a lot of
literature with him, but I thought, okay, if being a vegan is going to get
people the best results with X3 Bar
, then great. Vegetables it is.
So when going through this process, I determined very quickly that that’s not
the way to go. And I also realized that the two greatest drivers of long life
are being strong and being [inaudible 00:05:19].
Dr. John Jaquish: So I realized I wasn’t just researching how people could get
the best experience out of their
, I was researching how to
live a longer and healthier life, and also being muscular and looking fantastic.
So that sounds great for everybody. Everyone says well, I want to customize my
program to my goals, and I’m like shut up, everyone has the same… What? Do you
want to be fatter? What custom do you need? Stupidest things I read. So what
ended up happening is, I’m putting all of this stuff together, and it became
totally obvious to me when I realized how much protein is needed to grow
musculature I went wow.
Dr. John Jaquish: First of all, weight lifting really is not that great of
[inaudible 00:06:19]. Honestly, I knew that. But I always had seen people at
gyms, before inventing the
, years and years of hard lifting.
These guys were not slacking off. They were not being weak bodied. And they
would never change. Year after year. They looked identical. Just maybe their
hair got a little more gray. And I just, wow. I don’t know what to say to them.
It sucks. No, we need 2.2 grams for every kilogram or gram per pound of body
weight in protein, I was like, wow, if that’s the amount of protein we need,
there is not room in our intestines for really anything else.
Dr. John Jaquish: Now, protein comes with fats, so that’s clearly important, but
and then I started reading about inflammation and oxalates, because you have to
have your inflammation low if you’re going to be triggering muscle growth and
proper cell function, and all I saw was the less vegetables you had, the less
inflammation you had, the better you do. So when I first launched the program, I
just recommended ketogenic nutrition and eating vegetables just because that
seemed like a very neutral position, but I didn’t really want to be a
controversial nutrition guy, but the longer I stuck with animal based nutrition,
the results were just spectacular. So I’ll eat two pounds of meat a day, in one
meal, and that’s it. That put 45 pounds of muscle on me.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right. Right. I don’t eat anything else because nothing else
is food. The rest of it is just crap.
Nick: Are you able to get everything you need from the meat, John.
Dr. John Jaquish: So, if you were to eat a diet of whole foods, I’m going to ask
you guys this question. You’re both going to have to answer. You eat a diet of
whole foods. No supplements, no powders. Just fruits, vegetables, fish, meat,
whatever. How many calories in a given day would you need to consume to get to
the recommended daily allowances as scribed by the American Medical Association?
Just take a guess. How many calories?
Ben: Two and a half thousand?
Nick: Probably four thousand.
Dr. John Jaquish: 27,000. More than an elephant eats. So basically no one ever
ate that way. So the recommendations of all the vitamins you need are clearly
incorrect. And nor should they be paid attention to. Now, there’s vitamin
deficiencies. If you eat carbohydrates, and you don’t have vitamin C, you can
have scurvy. But, if you don’t eat carbohydrates, you have no need for vitamin
Ben: That’s interesting.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Yeah. A lot of the micronutrients exist… So, here’s
another thing. People say, “Well, what about your antioxidants? You don’t get
any antioxidants?” And I tell them, you only need antioxidants if you’re
oxidizing. I’m not. So what would I need those for? So can you get everything
from meat? Yeah, you can get everything you need to be lean and strong and
healthy? But, so you need omega-3 oils to make up for the oxalates that are in
celery and in lettuce. So a lot of these things are… It’s a game of trying to
cancel all these other things out like oh, I’m getting an inflammatory here, so
I need some antioxidants here, and I need omega-3s, but not omega-5s, and
there’s a very complicated formula for a, quote, balanced diet, or you could
just avoid all that crap because it doesn’t do anything for you, and just have
Dr. John Jaquish: Also, I’ve recently filmed a false sense of fitness. I have a
show that I do every once in a while on YouTube. I recently filmed a false sense
of fitness on carbohydrates and the history of carbohydrates. So a lot of
scientists will point out that they really don’t like the concept of studying
paleo or how cave people used to eat, prehistoric man, early homo sapien because
they weren’t optimizing their health. We’re trying to optimize. Yes, however, we
must consider the fact that carbohydrates only exist towards the end of the
Dr. John Jaquish: If we lived in an indigenous population, and the three of us
were in a tribe of early man living somewhere in the middle of England, what
carbohydrates would we have right at our feet? What’s an indigenous fruit or
vegetable that’s right there? Nothing. Right? Maybe a couple leaves or
something, and those would only show up at the end of summer, and then this
window when carbohydrates are available is definitely different if you live in a
jungle versus living in England or something like that, but the point is, the
majority of the year, they don’t have access to blooming fruits and vegetables.
No one ever did.
Dr. John Jaquish: So when a physician says, children need carbohydrates to grow
healthy and strong, garbage. That’s stupid. That never happened, and our
genetics survived with very poor conditions. They had no housing, they had no
medicine, they had no clothes, and we thrived by not eating carbohydrates the
majority of the year. So we don’t need it. Now also, animal models and looking
at animal nutrition is really not a good way to go, because they have different
digestive systems. However, I will point out something interesting.
Dr. John Jaquish: When it comes to bears, specifically grizzly bears, grizzly
bears eat meat when they come out of hibernation, and they eat nothing but meat
until the end of the summer, then they gorge themselves on honey and berries.
And they give themselves type two diabetes at the end of the summer, beginning
of fall, in preparation for the winter. So think about where, and this is where
I’m very dismissive of the scientists that say oh, it doesn’t really matter when
we traditionally ate things. Yeah, maybe it does because a grizzly bear is using
the carbohydrates to get as fat as possible, and only using it at that point,
which is when it’s available in nature. And then getting as fat as possible, and
using that as a survival mechanism.
Dr. John Jaquish: So my general view towards carbohydrates is they are nature’s
way of helping you get as fat as possible. So if you need to be fat, let’s say
to protect yourself from a brutal winter, or maybe you’re going to go through
months of fasting because you don’t have anything to eat. Well, you know, if you
have a lot of adipose tissue, you can go months without food, so okay. Then
that’s a great purpose for carbohydrates. But really, they’re just there to get
you fat. Brain doesn’t need them. Yes, the brain needs glucose, but
gluconeogeneses can take care of that, and does, and always has. Totally fine.
Nick: John, what’s your view on the [inaudible 00:15:05] of meat. So I’ve been
living very low carb for a while, so I don’t eat grains, don’t eat dairy, I
guess I probably eat quite a lot of green cooked veg, so I try and avoid the
oxalates as much as possible. I’m also lact-insensitive-
Dr. John Jaquish: We all are.
Nick: With my meat, I try and have it, the grass fed, grass finished by verified
farm. Is there a difference in your view between grass fed, grass fed grass
finished, and then just sort of normal low quality standard steer?
Dr. John Jaquish: So, I’m going to shock you here. The quality, now taste is a
different story, but as far as quality nutrition, yes, there’s more nutrition
with a grass fed animal that didn’t have any hormones or antibiotics, but, you
really, what would be called low quality, unless, I know the United Kingdom’s
standards are pretty similar to the United States, we really don’t… We’re not
really missing out if you have a corn finished animal. They can still eat
grains. Whether it’s wheat grain or grass or corn, they get a little fattier,
which makes them taste a little bit better, but yeah, if you have two extra
bites of steak, you just got the nutrition that you would’ve had with the grass
fed. So it’s not that big of a deal, now, the whole antibiotics thing, yeah.
It’s there. But keep in mind, if we have kids, and they get sick, and they’re
going to die if they don’t have antibiotics, no one says oh no, we’ll just let
my kid die because I don’t want to have antibiotics.
Dr. John Jaquish: So in a way, all right, there’s infectious stuff out there,
and then there’s also animals that don’t have the antibiotics, so. And, by the
way, the antibiotics are given to the animal when it’s very young. So it doesn’t
die of some type of infection, and then all that stuff is cycled out of their
system a long time, months and months, before the animal is processed into food.
So I don’t know. I’m not too worried about it. Now, I am friends with a Michelin
star chef who’s from Iceland, and he used to do the buying for McDonald’s in
Spain, and what he told me was he would always, even every day, feed his family
with McDonald’s meat. Because it is so high quality. In fact, if somebody gets
sick or believes they got sick from a McDonald’s burger, McDonald’s can track it
back to the health record of the cow.
Dr. John Jaquish: You can go to the finest steakhouse in central London, and you
can’t get that. So, and I know, I say McDonald’s and some angry mother’s head’s
going to explode when she hears that, but it’s fine. The french fries are still
not food. They’re garbage. Throw them away. Coca Cola. I wouldn’t let my enemy
drink Coca Cola. But yeah. The meat’s great. So at times, when I’m traveling,
I’ll get… Do you have double quarter pounders?
Nick: We do, yeah. We do.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. So it’s like a half pound of meat. Some countries don’t
have that. I was in Greece recently, and I just had to get quarter pounders. So
I’ll get four double quarter pounders and just eat the meat with a fork and
knife and throw the bun away. That’s not food either. So it’s… It tastes
great. It might not be a porterhouse at a good steak restaurant, but.
Nick: It does the job from a nutrition point of view.
Dr. John Jaquish: That’s right.
Nick: John, one of the things I was really excited to talk to you about was I’m
a massive fan of the
because I spent 20 years doing a desk
job with a commute each day which amounted to one and a half hours each way, so
three hours every day, so for me fitting in exercise became incredibly
difficult. And up until I was maybe around about 22 or 23, I was really active,
I was really fit. I was playing rugby, I was doing judo, and then work happened,
and then family happened, and I got fat and lazy and basically couldn’t fit in
exercise. And I see lots of people that are really big on cardio. Like go for a
run or go for a hundred mile bike ride or whatever it may be, but for me, it
feels like, when I do X3 Bar
, I’m as out of breath as if I’d done a
5K run. I can really feel as though, particularly exercises like the squat or
the overhead press, I can really feel my breathing rate coming up, so what’s
your view on doing cardio versus strength training?
Dr. John Jaquish: So, I’m actually looking for a reference here, but there’s
really no such thing as cardio. Cardio is just really lousy strength training
that doesn’t really give you a strength benefit. So if you look at what we get
from strength training, the heart is being stressed, and it does adapt. Our
lungs are being stressed, and they do adapt. Now, measuring success by how far
somebody can run or ride a bike is not particularly fair to the strength
athlete, because for example, my quadriceps, they’re that big around. They’re
huge. Because of
. When I run up a flight of stairs, that’s a
lot of blood that gets pumped to a pair of huge muscles. So the myth that
strength athletes have poor cardiovascular function is not correct. They have
great cardiovascular function. They just have a bigger engine that they’re
pumping blood to. It’s like saying a Formula One car is a piece of garbage
because it burns too much fuel, like my Prius is better. Not really, they’re
very different purposed vehicles. So what’s going on is that, and I wish I could
find the reference, maybe you can put it in the show now-
Nick: Of course, yeah, of course we will.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah, there’s more than a hundred studies that have looked at
the cardiovascular health, which is not how far you can run. Cardiovascular
health of strength athletes versus endurance athletes, and the real difference
was, the strength athletes had more muscle, and they had the same cardiovascular
health. So which is better? Like I said, there’s no such thing as cardio.
There’s just awful strength training that doesn’t really work.
Nick: Love that.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yep. So I don’t do any cardio. And [inaudible 00:23:22] is
really going to upset some people. Cardiovascular exercise up regulates cortisol
which is the hormone that protects your body fat. As in, it keeps you fatter
longer. So when you go to the gym, you see people just running like rats on the
treadmill, and they’re just running running running or they’re peddling, they’re
not going to be getting what they want because now their hormonal system is
fighting with them. Just don’t do it. It’s going to give you the opposite of
what you want.
Dr. John Jaquish: So also, cortisol, another thing cortisol does is it acts
against muscle mass to break muscle mass down. So you’re losing muscle, and
protecting your body fat. You think about the logic of the central nervous
system. Why would it do that? That sounds awful. Well, you’re showing your body
a stimulus. Now remember, your central nervous system is like an engineering
team working 24/7 in your body to make you as good as you can be, but when you
give it a stimulus that says okay, I need to be a machine that goes long
distances, it’s going to say, well, we need to conserve energy, so we’ve got to
shrink muscle. And it’s also going to say well, we need to store energy, too, so
we’re going to store more body fat.
Dr. John Jaquish: And also, bone density goes down because that’s weight that’s
not needed because there’s no high impact in distance running. The midfoot
strike is really how a distance runner runs, and it’s very low impact, so bone
density goes down. Tendons and ligaments shrink, so everything’s shriveling as
their doing this, and so because their body weight is low does not mean they’re
healthy. So and then you look at a sprinter, and they’re leaner. Right? Who has
more muscular definition? A distance runner or a sprinter? Sprinter. Right.
Because sprinting actually does the opposite. It up regulates growth hormone and
down regulates cortisol. Hence sprinters are muscular.
Nick: Amazing. Ben, do you have a question for John?
Ben: It was just around your meal plan. So it’s one meal a day? Do you eat it
warm or cooked? And is there a time pattern that you tend to follow when you’re
Dr. John Jaquish: I like kind of an early dinner. Maybe 6 o’clock. It depends.
If I eat later, I just stay up later. You want some of the digestion to take
place before you go to sleep, but I only eat one thing. Red meat. Pretty easy.
The restaurant list is pretty simple. What steakhouses are in this town? The
question I ask when I show up anywhere. That’s it.
Ben: That’s it.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Just a couple pounds of meat. Now I also take, the only
supplement I take is
which is an even more efficient
protein than steak, and the reason I developed that was because
users, when they found out, the guys who are 200 pounds, I’m
220 or 100 kilos, and so they were like wow, I can’t eat that much. It’s
impossible. I can’t choke the food down. Now, part of it is just kind of like I
roll my eyes like, yeah, you can, but all right. So I went and found a
fermentation process that was typically used with cancer patients, and what that
fermentation process creates, this bacterial byproduct, is essential amino
acids. Because that’s the most important part of protein is those specific amino
acids that your body cannot make on their own. A lot of people don’t know that.
And if you’re missing one of the eight essential amino acids, all the rest of it
gets flushed through your body in the form of nitrogen.
Dr. John Jaquish: If you’re missing one, you’re done. You’re not building any
muscle. Or repairing any tissue, for that matter, your eyes or your skin or
whatever. So you really have to have those essential amino acids. So I created
an essential amino acid product, that’s what I was drinking, which I finished.
It looks like lemonade, tastes like apples, it mixes clear, but it’s ten grams
of protein in 16 ounces of water, but it makes up for 50 grams of standard
Nick: Oh wow.
Dr. John Jaquish: Because of the efficiency. Because of the utilization that we
know that that combination of essential amino acids. Also, not all amino acids
are created equal. Some of them are vegetable sourced, and yes, they’re there,
they don’t absorb in the body. And so this is from fermentation. Because we’re
actually supposed to eat rotting stuff. Think about it. If the three of us were
living in the middle of England and we found a wooly mammoth or something, and
we took that thing down, by the time we got to the last bite of that animal,
probably not fresh.
Dr. John Jaquish: Right? Even if you cook it. Still not fresh. And despite the
nice cool London air, it’s still not refrigerated. So bacteria’s taking hold,
and we’re missing out on rotting stuff which is coincidentally where we get
essential amino acids. So now, with
, I have replaced that
in my nutrition. So it’s not as bad for me because my body weight is 220, it’s
actually a little above that right now, I think I’m putting on muscle, I really
haven’t done a DEXA scan recently, but which was to be expected, the impact, I
don’t have to have over two pounds of steak if I don’t want to because I’m
replacing that essential amino acid, and that’s the only supplement I take.
Dr. John Jaquish: There’s refinements to some of the programming in
. I really want to make sure that the way the information is
delivered, it’s easy to follow. I am encouraging people to follow the program to
the letter. Not add silly exercises in the middle of it that might be
compromising progress. Don’t think I’m going to do extra well because I’m going
to carb backload or refeed or any of these other nonsensical ideas that don’t
have science attached to them. Yes, you can retain more water when you have more
carbohydrates. Oh, by the way, when you go carnivore, the hydration in your body
Dr. John Jaquish: A lot of people say I tried going carnivore and I just had
these headaches, and I felt horrible, and so I stopped, because obviously it was
killing me, and I go wait a minute, if you smoke cigarettes, and you stop
smoking cigarettes, you’ll get headaches. Does that mean you should always smoke
cigarettes because it’s much better for you? No. What’s going on is nicotine is
a vasoconstrictor. And once your body gets used to always having nicotine in it,
it has mechanisms for managing that, and the new homeostasis after somebody
becomes a smoker is there’s a level of vasoconstriction, so there’s a level of
hydration, and then as soon as you take that variable away, the body’s stumbling
to find homeostasis again, and you have dehydration periods, and you get
headaches from dehydration. So the same thing happens when you go carnivore.
Dr. John Jaquish: The way around that is electrolytes. Or you can just put some
sea salt in warm water, which you’re missing out on the potassium, but… Or
just get an electrolyte tablet, and once you go carnivore, and you do this so
you don’t have the headaches, you’ll never go back. Because it’s just body fat
drops off, like, I’m lean. I have veins in my abdominals. I certainly am not
feeling deprived, so I’m not hungry during the day because carbohydrates are
what keeps you perpetually hungry, because I don’t have that, I’m not hungry,
and then when I sit down for a meal, I eat a couple pounds of meat. That sounds
great, doesn’t it?
Nick: It does sound great.
Dr. John Jaquish: Yeah. Yeah. I’m enjoying myself, and I also know that all the
other stuff that I’m not eating is just garbage. It’s just toxic. So I’m just
not eating it, and I’m better off for it. I suggest everybody give a try to what
I’m doing, and then
also. X3 Bar
the most powerful method of building muscle and being lean. And I’m seeing guys,
especially the executive population, because a lot of guys who hang out at the
gym all day, number one, they think they have all the answers, which is typical
of the fitness community, but the other thing is, they feel like they’ve got the
equipment in front of them, and how could a tiny thing that fits in a drawer in
your house, which, it’s very compact, how could that small thing be better than
an entire weight room?
Dr. John Jaquish: Well, if they bother to read the science I can show them why
the weight room is no longer required, nor even relevant anymore. Now, I’ve also
seen a lot of weight rooms put
s in, so there are some gym
owners that understand the science. So ultimately, it’s the executives that
grabbed a hold of this because they didn’t have time, and we got hundreds, make
that thousands of emails, 30,000 units in circulation right now, so we got
thousands of emails from people that said I got this because it seemed
convenient, and I might be able to get fit from it, I didn’t believe the claim
that I would actually grow more muscle from this, and now that I have it, I
realize that I’m in the best shape of my life, and I’m never going anywhere
without this. So we have people who own like four of them. They have one in
their office, they have one in the trunk of their car, one in their suitcase,
and one in a drawer in their bedroom.
Nick: I was about to say, John, I think that for me, one of the greater things
is you can travel with it easily, and second, you could
have it in your office. It takes ten minutes. Everybody can find ten minutes in
their day to do some kind of workout.
Dr. John Jaquish: After we get off this, I’m in my office. I’m going to go out
and do my
Nick: I’m very grateful for your time. I’ve got one last question for you and
it’s what would be your three top tips for any execs that’s looking to upgrade
their own personal and professional performance?
Dr. John Jaquish: Well, I think we kind of covered that. Yeah. I would tell them
read about what I’m talking about. Follow me. Follow me on Instagram. Anybody
who’s apprehensive and they say ten minutes a day, and there’s no weight,
nobody’s saying that except this guy, which is actually not true, plenty of the
athletes are saying it, but they might not know about that, so just follow. Just
start reading the logic I’m applying and see some of the research that I use as
citation points, and they’ll be oh my God so much better off. To the point where
it’s almost like… I hear this all the time, I wish I had this when I was in
college, because I’d be a professional athlete now. I hear that every day.
Because that’s how great people are getting. They don’t realize that a lot of
people really have great genetics.
Dr. John Jaquish: The whole weak genetics thing is kind of stupid because if
you’re alive today, your genetics survived for millions of years. Your ancestors
fought off animals that are five times their size. Unless you have a genetic
disorder, like cerebral palsy or something like that, you don’t have weak
genetics. You might have a lousy training program or bad nutrition that’s not
allowing you to grow muscle, but. And I was stuck in that. When I was a chubby
190 pounds when I started
, I thought I was kind of at my
limit, I guess this is just as strong as I’m going to get, it’s my genetic
limit. 45 pounds of muscle later and 16 pounds less of body fat. Oh, maybe this
is my genetic potential. And I, take my shirt off, I look like a professional
Dr. John Jaquish: A lot of people can have that same experience, and it doesn’t
take longer than ten minutes a day. They don’t need to leave their house or
their office to do it.
Dr. John Jaquish: So the number one, follow me.
on Instagram or Dr. Dr. John
Jaquish on Facebook, and another person to follow is Dr. Shawn Baker. S-H-A-W-N
Baker. And he’s a medical doctor who is really helping the world understand why
meat is food, and the things that are not meat are really not food. Or they’re
things that aren’t going to be very beneficial to you. So he kind of used
carbohydrates as like if you put chimichurri sauce on your steak, yeah, there’s
vegetables in that, and it’s not going to hurt you, but it’s not going to help
you either. That’s it for the way he views it.
Dr. John Jaquish: And he just wrote a book. It’s not out yet, I actually have a
prerelease copy of the book, and it’s dynamite. Really nice. So follow Shawn
Baker for the carnivore nutrition. The third thing I recommend is take a piece
of paper and write down the first two things I just said because I don’t want
you forgetting them. Dr. John Jaquish, J-A-Q-U-I-S-H and Shawn Baker S-H-A-W-N
Nick: We’ll be sure to put everything in the show Dr. Jaquish and so people will
be able click on the links there and find everything that we’ve spoken about.
I’d just like to thank you very much for your time. It’s been awesome to speak
to you. I’ve been a follower of you for at least two years, and I know
everything that you say is sensible, it’s backed up by science, and you know it
works, so I will definitely have everybody follow Dr. Dr. John Jaquish.
Dr. John Jaquish: Awesome. Thank you so much. Cheers.
Nick: I’d like to thank Dr. Dr. John Jaquish for his time and fascinating points
of view. Do check out John on his social channels.